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- guitarh3ro, on 10/11/2007, -25/+133Well no *****! That's what Bungie's been telling you people for the past couple of weeks and yet you still kept bitching about it! I'll say it again, just in case some of you still don't understand: Halo 3 Beta is a DEMO. NOT THE FINAL VERSION. Thank you.
- proxima, on 10/11/2007, -12/+52shut up.
- chocobomog, on 10/11/2007, -2/+39FTA
"Multiplayer is by necessity a more sterile iteration of our graphical style and will always be tuned for performance and elegance rather than jamming the screen full of pixels. We think that the final aesthetic look of our game will be judged at launch in September and in part based on the more intense single player spaces... Lighting and atmospherics are going to be big keystones in our look and feel, and those really haven’t been shown except in multiplayer to this point... [expect a] few nifty graphical improvements in multiplayer."
I don't think expressed himself correctly here, because this doesn't sound like the graphics will improve much for multiplayer. He says the graphics for the single player will look great, but the multiplayer graphics will be "sterilized" to ensure faster gameplay and performance. So whatever "nifty" graphical improvements they add will be small enough so they don't affect the gameplay. - SnuKs, on 10/11/2007, -2/+32There will be graphical changes from the beta, but I highly doubt they'll meet the expectations of most Halo fans.
If you're thinking it'll be beyond Gear's graphics, then you're just a sucka. Be real people. - echolalia, on 10/11/2007, -7/+36IT ISN'T EVEN A DEMO. Stop saying that. What kind of demo is released 4 months before the actual release? It's beta, which means it's not final. And besides, it's a network based multiplayer beta, which means performance > asthetics.
- logicalnoise, on 10/11/2007, -5/+31BETA!
- LogicBomB, on 10/11/2007, -8/+29I don't see what the bitching is about. I personally think H3 beta looks just fine...
It won't win any awards or anything but as far as looking good without being distracting goes, it's on par. - truspector, on 10/11/2007, -14/+33@azimuth
Can you name one 360 game where the demo came out 4 1/2 months before the final game? - mesmeriffic, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20Stop yelling, you may accidentally persuade me with your capitalized text.
- logicalnoise, on 10/11/2007, -7/+25EGM already confirmed that the single player graphics are quite impressive and that the multiplayer is obviously using a stripped down version of the same engine. Meaning they haven't implented the final graphics in the BETA.
- Cougaboy, on 10/11/2007, -9/+26I think it's necessary to correct the language here. The Halo 3 multiplayer Beta is exactly that: a BETA. Not a demo, just a beta. Beta = unfinished.
Azimuth1, you're right, there aren't many games where the graphics of the release were better than in the demo, but remember, this is not a demo. - dracflamloc, on 10/11/2007, -5/+22Beta typically refers to the code and stability of a game, not its graphical content. By the time a modern game reaches Beta those graphics are just about 100%
- logicalnoise, on 10/11/2007, -5/+21Frankie will likely have to say it 200 times more before people actually acknowledge it.
- samdotorg, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14"We're just tightening up the graphics on level 2"
- eezzzz, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15@truspector
Blacksite Area 51? - harrisbradley, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10This is like cortana saying, "This cave is not a natural formation." Article courtesy of Cpt. Obvious.
- DTJunkie07, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Even with some improvements these graphics still wont be anything to use as a bar to compare other games to. Just look at how Halo 2 compared to games like Riddick on the original Xbox and thats what I am expecting out of it. Anyways its the precise control, great story and the heart pounding death matches that I'm most looking forward to.
- Jinno, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12Antibing, so they have to add entirely different features in order for you to think of this as a beta? Did I mention that Bungie's implementing 2nd Person? :O Oh wait, ***** the NDA is going to rape me for that.
A Beta is a close to final version of a game. Graphics will certainly be tuned in any reasonable way they can. Considering I haven't had so much as a chug in framerate whilst playing the Beta Demonstration, I think they're justified in their designing the game for performance and not simply appeal. I play GoW and I get framerate chugs, glitches, lag(I have encountered this in the Beta), and various other things. Not to mention the feeling of being completely and utterly confined. Bungie has to account for players jumping and pushing and everything. They're also looking at much more rapidly deployed grenades, particle effects and the like.
And the game still looks damn good. Halo has never been about being the pinnacle of graphics. (Halo 2 in comparison to HL2 for example.) It's been about fun, and they have yet to let me down in that respect. - radda, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Not really. The E3 trailer last year was all real time. They've already said the engine they're currently using is stripped down to fine tune performance. They've probably set it up so that they can easily use the single player engine when they're ready to.
The haters are almost as annoying as the ***** fanboys... - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11I don't see what the heck is wrong with Halo 3's graphics. Maybe people were expecting bloom effects of blinding proportions? That always looks great.
- noseeme, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10UGH. Blogspam *****. This is just ***** reactionary writing to what was seen in this article:
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5789&Itemid=2 - DaviDaviDaviD, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7I have just played halo 3 beta and to be honest...I really thought the graphics were great. The gameplay is brilliant, the graphics shouldn't worry people as much as a new BXR or RRX coming out. Bungie should focus on that,
- CaseyUCF, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9guitarh3ro: actually, halo3 beta is NOT a demo.
It's simply just a beta. - logicalnoise, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7it was running on the engine game mags and insiders were even able to use the camera in realtime during the entire trailer.
- mlw4428, on 10/11/2007, -1/+64 Reasons you're wrong:
1) You don't know for sure what the code running the networking behind Halo 2 OR 3 is like.
2) They have added new features, maps, there's the continuation of the story line (seems like to me they've been very busy), weapons, and vehicles. Try designing one of them and see how long it takes you to do it.
3) You don't know what the single player is going to be like. Quit bitching.
4) Bungie is still an amazing company. I'd personally love to work for them. - obixx, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5The funny thing is that it seems to be the people who play Halo 2 the most that complain about it. I love Halo 2, and it is a very fun game. You can't talk about the gameplay like it was a colossal failure because it was not.
- Jinno, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6"Companies are amazing when they do amazing things. Halo 3 is far from amazing."
Eh, I beg to differ. And it all depends on your view of amazing. Halo 3 compounds on the sense of amazement I got when I first landed on Halo after being in the confines of the Pillar of Autumn. The serene setting amazed me, and the tension that I got from being in that world amazed me. Halo instilled the greater love for video games I have today, as opposed to the lacking one I had beforehand.
I'm also amazed by bands like Rage Against the Machine, or Three Days Grace, or Chevelle. They have a talent for music that I could never hope to have. They write amazing songs. They certainly have done many amazing women. But to other musicians would they be seen as amazing? Probably not, and that's okay.
Halo 3 will be amazing, just as Halo CE was amazing, and Halo 2's story was amazing. The things that matter will keep me interested, probably for the 3 years that Halo 2 has kept me interested, now. - HBNDonut, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I think the beta looks alright. The graphics can look a lot like Halo 2 at some times and then at other times they look absolutely great. We all know the graphics will never compare to GOW, but some people need to grow up and stop saying the graphics just plain suck. Sure the graphics are more simplistic than some games out there, but that was bungies intent for the game so as to keep to Halo's stylised feel. What is there looks great. All the surface textures are very high resolution and they look amazing. PLUS the game has a good steady framerate, it plays very smoothly and there is no screen tearing.
The only graphical improvements I would like to see is the real time reflections on the Spartan visors that we were promised. And maybe tone down those dark shadows the player models have beneath them. - CCB0x45, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6After playing the beta a lot, I could really care less how much it improves... if it improves, then great, it will look better, if not, then I am happy with the game because the gameplay on Halo 3 multiplayer is way above Halo 2 Multiplayer, and I loved Halo 2 multiplayer. What people dont understand when they bash Halo by calling it a generic FPS and not having this feature or that feature compared to other FPS games is that what makes Halo so fun is the randomness that happens due to the great balance of weapons and the physics. It makes every other first person shooter feel stale(although I am really looking forward to TF2). The new stuff has made it so much better, like the other day I was fighting someone with the laser cannon and I had a battle rifle... he had distance and should have beat me since I was in a corner, but I threw out a bubble shield, lured him into shooting me and backed into the shield while I watched the laser explode a couple inches from my face into the shield... then I popped out and head shotted a few times for the win, there is no other FPS out there with that kind of fast paced but random battles, they all get so boring. Another video I watched the other day where someone threw a sticky grenade at a car, but missed the car, and the car looped around, but the grenade went into the man cannon shooting it way off and actually sticking to the car completely away from where it had been originally thrown... that kind of stuff happend multiple times every single game, and that is why Halo is fun. Nobody can say the game is boring after playing it a lot, and I love other FPS's as well, but untill one has that level of randomness, then I'll keep playing Halo. Team Fortress 2 does look really sweet though(I loved the first one).
- shogusumi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@wageslaven - it doesn't have to be two different engines, it can be the same engine with fewer features turned on, or maybe in multiplayer the maps are slightly different, less populated, fewer polys, etc. I'm sure there are plenty of ways of reducing or increasing the complexity of the pipeline depending on context. As far as examples, I think Gran Turismo and PGR 3 are well know for having better graphical quality during replays vs during in-game. I was thinking GoW did the same thing for cutscenes vs gameplay...
- linksyslover, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4more crappy ass blog spam from a crappy source. How about the real story?
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5789&Itemid=2 - DTJunkie07, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I agree, mate...I think you need to read my comment again
- Mk3890, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Yeah if anyone is under the impression that they are going to be blown away by the graphics come September they are living in a dream world.
Graphics will remain largely the same. "Polish" isn't going to make Halo 3 better than Gears that kind of improvement would require improvements from the bottom up. - WickedDrag0oN, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Thats great, but will it look pretty and also let you blow away a wall. Or will it just be that... pretty...
- estvir, on 10/11/2007, -7/+10And they had AA and other things turned off in the beta because guess what, the beta wasn't there to test the graphics, it was there to test multiplayer and it could've looked like a 10 year old FPS but they still would've been achieving what they wanted, seeing how MP fairs with the common gamer.
- CrimsonBlur, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Those that are saying that nothing meaningful is going to change as far as graphical polish before release are completely ignoring the Halo 3 announcement trailer that came out long before even this multiplayer beta launched. The graphics in that trailer were all real-time using what was finished of their engine, and they were already superior to anything we've seen in the multiplayer beta, and they've had a ton of time to improve the engine since then.
Bungie has said many times that the multiplayer beta was released specifically to test gameplay, and they have said over and over again that the graphics for the beta are not final. Furthermore, you can't compare the multiplayer graphics of a game like Gears of War with a FPS like Halo. The maximum is 8 players in Gears multiplayer for all modes of play, which means at most 8 characters are on the screen at one time, and it's usually more like 3-4. In contrast, Halo 3 will at least double that number, the levels are orders of magnitude larger along with the draw distance, and there are far more things going on at once in FPS multiplayer than a game like Gears.
We have not seen anything at all from the single-player campaign except a small teaser of early development in the announcement trailer. Just like the other Halo games, the single-player graphics will be a couple notches above what is seen in multiplayer. Considering that, I highly doubt we will be disappointed in the graphical prowess of Halo 3, especially considering how much Bungie has been touting the massive size and level of detail in the environments. They're fully aware of the expectations from a first-party FPS on 360 at this point. I'm willing to give Bungie the benefit of the doubt on this one until we start seeing video and screenshots from the finalized single-player campaign. - afruff23, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8You're an idiot.
- kelbear, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Beta is not a solid term in development. The word can mean anything from 40% done to 99.999% done.
All you need to know is that there are 4 months left to change the game. 4 months.
What you interpret that 4 months to result in is up to you. If you think nothing gets done in 4 months, consider that singleplayer campaigns have been created in just 16 months after the concept art and engine/tools are in place. If you think everything can change in 4 months, consider that they're so sure they're done they've already decided a specific release date with just 4 months to finish up.
All you need to know is that there are 4 months left. - tomskag, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4http://digg.com/xbox_360/High_Resolution_Scans_of_Gamepro_s_Halo_3_Article#c6944780
- pixelmixer, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5You mean UT3? :), maybe us Halo fanboys are too quick for yah, but it was renamed from UT2007 to UT3 to match the engine name.
UT3 will be awesome, true, BUT its not in the same league as Halo 3. The UT series is a much faster FPS being entirely a run-n-gun game. Whereas Halo is the median between strategy and run-n-gun. UT being at one end of that spectrum and Gears of War at the other end. Gears is slow paced with lots of strategy (which makes it kind of boring at times), and UT is very fast paced very little strategy. Halo has a good balance of speed to keep it fun and a decent amount of strategy to keep it interesting.
my 2c - HBNDonut, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2A few things that pretty much confirm that Halo 3 will look better on release than it does in the Beta;
Frankie has said that the artists are still working and experimenting with new effects and graphical tweaks even as we are playing the Beta.
Frankie has also said that Bungie has a few tricks up thier sleeves that they are saving for the final game which will blow us all out of the water.
The word "Beta" does not mean that the graphics are 100% final! A lot of things can be subject to change after Beta stages. - Psywar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2GoW is based on the unreal engine, wich is suposed to be essencialy used for FPS.Probably GoW doesn't use more than 8 players because of the peculiar gamestyle.
- Achilles, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4I miss Halo: Combat Evolved.
- DollaDollaBill, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Your so right. So average. But for a console FPS its above average, therefore average FPS players bow to it.
- hockey, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6@mcatrage
It is. Then everyone turns around and smirk's at the irony of the Wii fanboi's complaining about the graphics for Metroid Prime 3. - CrimsonBlur, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Yeah, you're right, it was a decision based on the game style. My point is that you can't directly compare the two directly. Until Unreal Tournament 3 comes out, we don't actually know what level of graphical level of detail that engine is capable of in a multilayer FPS (on the 360) with the amount of action on the screen, vehicles, draw distance, etc. that is associated with Halo multiplayer. In addition, the Unreal 3 engine is complete, the Halo 3 engine is not complete until the game goes gold, which is a few months away, so making any comparison at this point is disingenuous and misleading. With that in mind, it's also impossible to compare the graphics of the single-player campaign of Halo 3 to any other FPS currently released or upcoming, since we have seen absolutely nothing from the single-player campaign in Halo 3 so far.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5I played halo 3 beta not sure if i like it, the maps don't seem very large. The combat feels very fluid (it feels very smooth ) . I don't like the fact that i can shoot someone 10 times, but they can hit me with the end of the gun and i die. I mean wtf
- xmuzik, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2wow there's alot of bad blood on this thread, just look at all the people that have been dugg down
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3lmao "fanboy jizz"
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Man , why is everyone whining and crying about this ? it's not a fully tested product set for release..there is trial and error that takes place hence the reason half of you retards get to and TEST HALO 3 A.K.A BETA
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