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- Alheithinn, on 11/12/2009, -1/+3The court is right. You shouldn't be able to say you aren't something because you don't have the required "ethnicity" for it. There is some of that in the Heathen community too, where people think if you're not of the right ethnicity (Northern European) these gods can't possibly be for you. It's insane. We're never going to move into the future with this kind of backwards, parochial, exclusive thinking.
- sivyr, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1Well, I'm not saying that they ought to be allowed to curb admissions by race, but I am saying that unlike Christianity, their religion is based on race.
Whether they were Canannites or any other group, they place their people as the direct decedents of the original Jewish tribes. Christianity has a mindset that anyone who accepts Jesus Christ may be a Christian. That's fundamentally different. Jews have an exclusive attitude while Christians have an inclusive attitude.
I see no reason why a Jewish school wouldn't want to allow others to be taught there, as it still won't make them Jewish. However, were they to require that you were "Jewish" to attend (as per say Ontario's Roman Catholic School Board) then that could possibly be interpreted as an issue of faith, or an issue of race, or both.
Can one be Jewish in faith without being Jewish in race? Maybe. I don't know. What I do know is that the foundation of their faith becomes produces some very touchy situations in a world so averse to racial discrimination. - sivyr, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1Well, I mean, their religion is founded on the 13(?) ancient Jewish tribal lineages being the holy people destined to be saved by the Messiah.
I don't know, but I suspect that marrying into Judaism, and particularly calling yourself Jewish are relatively new phenomena. Jewish culture has been intentionally insular and self-supporting for ages because of the racial definition of its adherents.
I can see why it would be questioned. Yes, modern liberal thinking crosses racial boundaries, but their religion goes way further back to times when race mattered a lot, I'm sure. It makes this complicated to deal with in modern law. - Alheithinn, on 11/12/2009, -1/+1The problem is that modern scholarship has demonstrated much of the Bible to be wishful thinking - pious history at best. Sure, if you take the Bible literally, you can make the claim that they're holy people blah blah blah. But even many modern Jews don't take it literally anymore, and scholarly consensus is that the Israelites were Canannites. My ancestors were Heathen Norse but they let others worship their gods. Same with every other ancient ethnicity. People didn't keep their gods to themselves. Race didn't matter a lot to most people. The Mediterranean basin was a melting pot.
Here we have a small group of Orthodox Jews who don't even think the way most Jews think, and who want a "legal out" to discriminate, in the same way Christian groups in this country want tax dollars while they discriminate. That won't cut it. I'm sure Christians wouldn't like it if some ultra-strict group of Christians claimed nobody else was Christian based on ethnicity, and let's face it, the original Christians were Jewish messianists (which is, after all, what Christian means). And let's face it too that Paul ran into the same problem as the couple in this story. James and the others didn't think their religion was for Gentiles.
It is complicated in modern law, but these people are Jews. They believe they are Jews, they follow Jewish praxis, they worship the Jewish god. If I ran an elite school which I limited to Heathens of Norse descent and then banned people who were from Spain, you can bet I'd be sued, and I doubt I'd find much support for my cause. I don't care who they are. We can't treat the Jews or anyone else like they are above the law of the land. - victorSD, on 11/10/2009, -0/+0if b is jewish iff (a,b) \in J that is J a set of transitive relations then is must it hold that for some c (c,a) \in J. If that is true, we must chain all jews to one single mother. and there is practically no way to come into the religion. this reasoning contradicts the possibility of conversion
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