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- fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -25/+130I Am Important, So I Capitalize Every Word That I Type.
- Ndiggnation, on 10/11/2007, -12/+84I Have Always Wondered, Along With Many Others, What Became Of This Man.
- penguinshome, on 10/11/2007, -4/+72This guy is one of the coolest guys ever.
- Scheissen, on 10/11/2007, -9/+62^ He was making fun of the poster.
- chubbybubba, on 10/11/2007, -1/+48Ya, the tank guy is cool... But what about the soldier driving the first tank. I'd like to know his story. He could have easily run down the guy but chose not to. I wonder what they did to him?
- duuk2k2, on 10/11/2007, -13/+51RealPlayer? you have to be kidding me.
- AJRiddle, on 10/11/2007, -6/+36Here's what I posted that made the frontpage of the video section of digg a day or two ago.
http://digg.com/videos/educational/17_years_since_the_Tiananmen_Square_Massacre_The_Tank_Man_2 - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+33You don't suppose this Google video link is available in China do you?
- DudeRoks, on 10/11/2007, -4/+33I am completely ashamed of being a yahoo user. It is disgusting that they will do anything to make money.
- JoWiGo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+28Also, it is not just America that believes this is the truth. I am from Canada and also know about the massacre, as does most countries other than China. It is not just an anti-communist belief - it is a fact. If it was in fact propaganda why would your government have firewalls set up to block information on the incident?
- AJRiddle, on 10/11/2007, -4/+28Then why did somewhere between 300 and 2000 people die (we don't know the real number)? Also, why are their videos of crowds of people being shot at by the People's Liberation Army?
- Juaquin, on 10/11/2007, -1/+26Do you see the dead people on the ground? They didn't have photoshop back then. I wasn't aware that the Chinese government was letting Digg through their firewalls - thanks for making that clear to us with your comment.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -20/+43Sorry for comment abuse, but I did a mixed media drawing of the Tank Man last semester. Really a powerful symbol.
Direct link to image:
http://a814.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/18/l_c2d862728e06ab708517fce6fbc9e54d.jpg - rcb4me, on 10/11/2007, -2/+23So, I was reminded of this moment when Real Salt Lake played the Chinese Men's National team yesterday. A few of us waived Tibetan and ROC (Taiwan) flags and we had a poster that had "6/4" written in Chinese and the Chinese officials were so ticked off about it that they picked the ball up and refused to play until stadium security either kicked us out or forced us to put the flags down.
Unfortunately, because some of us refused to take down the flags, a few of the Tibetans standing with us and a couple of the RSL fans were kicked out of the stadium. In the US. In Utah.
The strength of the man in front of the tank is unfathomable. - Loco, on 10/11/2007, -10/+28Very good video. Thank you for sharing the link russvirante.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20it took an hour for Paris to reach top 10. It took Anna Nicole Smith 2 hours.
Respect is earned, not inherited. Hats off to the tank man. - flyguyjm, on 10/11/2007, -2/+19direct link - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2300254722104314948&hl=en-GB
- Comatose51, on 10/11/2007, -2/+19I'm a Chinese American and I can tell you that it happened. Everyone in HK and China knows about it. They call it "six-four" as in June 4th. Don't pretend it didn't happen. What is anti-government about demanding the liberties and freedoms promised to them in their own constitution. Those who refused to uphold that promise are the real traitors.
- sfpfc, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19Hong Kong Apple Daily stated that the man is now residing in Taiwan
I don't believe he they let him live. - deiphobus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18It's just sad that a lot of people around the world don't know how much power they truly have. The Tank Man proved to the world that strength doesn't always come in numbers.
The TRUE power of the state, no matter what form of governance, resonates from the people.It always has been and it always will be. - swavalier711, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17"In the truest sense, freedom cannot be bestowed; it must be achieved." -FDR
- Area51mafia, on 10/11/2007, -6/+20Do you perhaps mean Tiananmen Square?
If you're going to try and tell us the "correct" history of what happened, at least get basics down. - Scheissen, on 10/11/2007, -10/+23jerry you are a blind flag waving nationalist.
- OpusMortis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14After hearing about Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, and Cisco Systems in this video, I was disgusted.... I mean purely disgusted. How could they participate in any such actions? To me, it is the corporate responsibility, just as it is your and my responsibility, to be a leader in ethical decisions such as censorship. Censorship is wrong to me on so many levels; no matter how you put it. And then to think that we still show guiltless support for their oppressive behavior with baseball games, Olympics, massive amounts of technology, a plethora of consumer consumption, etc makes me even more upset. Maybe I'm an idealist... but why are we, the American people, so oblivious to the world outside of us? Or maybe a better question is, why is no one more upset?
Some might say that we negotiate all of the time, or that we have talks with other countries about them changing to be a more humanitarian state of government, and that is "all we can do". But, this just isn't enough. Trust me, I don't care what type of government one has as long as it promotes the good of all people and does not support oppression - whether that is communist or w/e. And believe me when I say I don't believe war or direct arms confrontation is the answer. I just want more Tank Men... More Martin Luther Kings... More Ghandis... Just more people who will cry out against the world and speak of all the inhumanities.... I just want PEOPLE to care about OTHER people.
I'm not an expert on Chinese history nor am I one on Tienanmen Square. And maybe I'm wrong about all this... maybe I should just be censored... But even if the people's working conditions were only half as bad as the video "promoted", I still believe the world that China B lives in is disgusting and wrong: not to mention all the other misanthropic actions that occur ignored throughout the world (e.g. genocide in Africa).
I know the U.S. is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR from perfect.... but I will never believe that prevents us, or anyone from criticizing and condemning the wrongs in the world and trying to support the change for good in a non-violent way.
Sorry for the rant and venting... by all means digg me down and correct me if I'm just being overemotional, ignorant, etc.
Peace and love to the world. - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15Anyway... the PBS Frontline link proves that no one under 20 in China knows what the Tienanmen Massacre was. They've succeeded in controlling the thoughts of many. More alarming is that people don't care after they find out, because Nationalism is the word of the day and the Chinese Communist Party can do no wrong in their eyes. In essence, a deal was virtually made, there would be market reform but no political reforms what-so-ever. As a result, human rights, civil liberties, and even press freedom has taken a dive and are WORSER TODAY than Pre-Tienanmen Square levels.
Don't believe? Check here:
Human Rights Watch, China is worse than ever:
http://www.hrw.org/wr2k7/essays/introduction/3.htm
Amnesty International Charges that China's Important Reforms are Marred by Increasing Repression
http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?lang=e&id=ENGUSA20070430001
Reporters without Borders, Even LESS press freedom than ever!
http://www.rsf.org/country-50.php3?id_mot=88
Even Chinese American Students at BROWN UNIVERSITY in America are Nationalistic to a feverish pace! Reports on fellow students, teachers, "race traitors", racism against blacks, and ten whallops of Mao Worshipping. (In Chinese Simplified):
http://www.brownchina.org/bbs/thread.php?fid=9 - Daisuke, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15That word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
- echan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11dude im from HK and it ***** happened. everyone knows except people in mainland china who dont get any information about it because of media censorship. denying mistakes aint exactly the right thing to do if you love your own country jerry
- MagicBobert, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Skip to 37:45, where they pass around the picture to some Chinese university students. They have no idea what the picture is.
Sad. - Urusai, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13Too bad symbols of freedom are all we get. When the tanks roll down the National Mall, don't expect them to stop for you.
- ubuntuedgy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9All ethnic jokes aside; this guy has the largest balls on planet earth. What he did, and where he did it, defines him as a true liberty seeking patriot for humankind.
Standing in front of a tank: insane and ballsy. Standing in front of a tank in communist China: Chuck Norris would bow to this man. - meiguoren, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10My My. Lots of JingJing and ChaCha on this thread.
I will agree on one point, that it is understandable why Deng Xiao Ping sent in the tanks given the life he had lived and the great turmoil and destruction he had witnessed. But to kill innocence unarmed protesters, many of them the best, bravest, and yes, most patriotic sons and daughters of China, who only wanted to see China move toward more freedom, democracy and to end political corruption, will never be justified or condoned in human history.
As for Tankman, he did not change China's government but he helped change the rest of the world. Many Eastern European democrats point to him as an inspiration for their own fight against corrupt totalitarian regimes. So let us remember him and honor him as a testament to the courage and greatness in every individual human being. - DarkLithium, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8And to think, a few decades ago when my grandmother (R.I.P.) was fleeing china with a family heirloom, a piece of chinese caligraphy, she would've been executed if they had found that piece of artwork with her by the same government that's still in power today. "Cultural Revolution" indeed.
- SeanEdwards, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10No Doubt. That must be why the Chinese government has firewalls on the Internet to stop people seeing images of that Tank Driver's fine driving skills. That must be the same reason why Cisco helps the Chinese thought police lock up political disidents who discuss stuff like this.
- Scheissen, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Sorry jerry, that the rest of the world and especially America wants to live in freedom.
- BESTenemy, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11I remember a monologue, but can't recall where it is from. The context was different - it dealt with folklore.
"If you think heroes are invented to inspire people, you are wrong. They are invented by the opressors themselves in order to install passivism. A child goes to bed on an empty stomack, dreaming of a magical hero that never comes."
I bring it up, in case you are asking yourselves why many know the facts, yet do nothing to fight the problem. Selfless heroes don't wait for inspiration. They simply act upon their belief. Most people, however, wait for somebody else to do their job. Robert Newman explores these sides of human personality quite a bit. - Asheron, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I've been looking all over for a color poster of Tank Man. Does anyone know where I could order one?
- SilverBack101, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Here is a link that works.
http://www.jonhs.net/freemovies/tank_man.htm
Awesome documentary. Digg users plz don't kill this site as well! I enjoy the other videos on it. :p - deiphobus, on 10/11/2007, -9/+15There's a windows media player link you dumbass. Go be stupid somewhere else.
- sfpfc, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9sorry for repost, i was editing everything I wrote but I forgot that I can't type as fast as I thought I could.
interesting video about the whole thing
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AGJoaHr2QdM&mode=related&search=
Chinese propaganda
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vxGi6_v02Tk&mode=related&search=
we view this as a perfect symbol of someone who is standing up to oppression but they tried to make it sound like they were heroes and they claimed it's just propaganda. Funny they pulled the video down.
Takes a lot of balls to say to a man in a tank "Why are you here? My city is in chaos because of you, go back, turn around, and stop killing my people, go away." - sockpuppets, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9Tanks, man.
- poornbroken, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7the problem is that AMERICANS aren't the ones killing iraqis. people seem to think that incidents like haditha are the norm. it isn't. on the other hand, the bombing of iraqis by *their* own people are know to happen every day.
so, if they pulled a tank man, that man would get shot by a member of a different sect. - Cubsguru, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Wow, that was a great video, I was especially interested in the companies that help the Chinese government part. Terrible what Yahoo and Cisco are doing over there, was wondering what happened with that and if there are any other companies doing so? Looking for a list of places that I can avoid purchasing from in the future because of their policies. (Google still gets the okay from me, I think I read they pulled out of China a while ago and besides, their actions didn't cause anyone to go to prison that we know of)
- jimmy85, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7This is a fantastic video and i recommend everyone on Digg watches it.
The things the Chinese do to retain power over the country are obscured. - tech42er, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7"Hundreds of pro-western, anti-government, and anti-communist student radicals were arrested."
And that's a good thing? - GawtMilk, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9Living in Hong Kong, everyone knows about it. Even the local Chinese. However, I've never bothered to ask anyone in mainland China. I'm sure that many people know about it in the large cities, like Shanghai and Beijing, but it'd be stupid to talk about. If a local official overheard you having that conversation, you'd have some explaining to do.
- poornbroken, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5... except that as with then and now, i think it was amazing how they were able to "get the word out" considering that the government had a pretty tight clamp on media.
and the irony of your statement is that all the things you're worried about *are actually happening now.* for better or for worse, the regime showed that it would result to kill its own people to stay in power. whatever the cost. - pokemogu, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Wow, you have no idea why the students and the citizens stood up for a democracy in that day. Because they loved their country so much, they had been disgusting with their government who had been enjoying bunches of internal power games (i.e. Cultural Revolution) since the foundation, which they thought disturbing (or even destroying) the nation.
They were true patriots comparing to pseudo patriots (who are known as "Fenqing(粪青)") controlled and tamed by the chinese government these days. - c0re1337, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8@rfriaz: The CDN at the end of myspacecdn.com, doesn't stand for Canada, it is an acronym for Content Distribution Network. It's where all images and videos on MySpace are stored.
- poornbroken, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7totally different context here. the driver couldn't see rachel. and this had been the 3rd? attempt by that bull dozer to raze that house, because they were waiting for her to leave. they thought she had left.
and it's not as though there was no investigation. - tech42er, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I've studied Chinese history in the late 20th century, and I think it was a horrible decision. I mean, it's understandable why the Chinese government did it, but it was still wrong.
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