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- bosssmiley, on 06/04/2008, -0/+11Pacifism alone won't.
Pacifism, friendly neighbours, being a bastion of the banking sector (can't run a war if no-one will lend to you), seriously mountainous terrain, *and* a highly trained citizen militia might. - DrNemo, on 06/04/2008, -1/+9And by the fact that Switzerland doesn't intervene in the whole ***** world.
- kranker, on 06/04/2008, -3/+10Since we don't have any oil, yes.
- Gridl0ck, on 06/04/2008, -3/+10Most misleading summary ever... The docs were shredded to hide the fact that Urs Tinner was a CIA asset and one of their routes into the so-called "AQ Khan" network (actually controlled by ISI generals).
http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/1905/swiss-shred-ti ... - MrTito, on 06/04/2008, -2/+8Being from the United States, I just don't know how to digest this statement:
"In general, Swiss people trust their government and hold it in high regard," says Egli.
Trust... government... what? - comradeTJH, on 06/04/2008, -0/+6What does Sweden have to do with this?
- skoda, on 06/04/2008, -1/+7If I die, tell my wife "Hello".
- Murdats, on 06/04/2008, -5/+11when was the last time sweden was attacked?
when was the last time america was attacked?
maybe this pacifist non-interventionism works better then this overly hostile, agressive and interfering method of international relations. - buckrogers1965, on 06/04/2008, -0/+6I saw a show on the secret bunkers they built to guard all the routes into Switzerland. They looked like houses and barns, but were solid reinforced concrete bunkers with huge anti-armor guns facing the tunnels and bridges.
I wonder what they replaced them with so that it was OK to show these formerly secret defenses. - Pixelante, on 06/04/2008, -0/+6The Swiss do not trust their government that much, but they are not that paranoid about it because the Swiss executive is very, very weak. Being a direct democracy, anything is up for popular vote so they do not wield that much power.
- rot13ubercrypto, on 06/04/2008, -0/+6Actually, there's a point there. We don't trust our politicians all that much, but we do trust them. The system works, it's still highly inclusive (although a lot of people are trying to change that) and there's a good amount of accountability and consensus.
It's a small country (7 million people), so you have to imagine the equivalent of a U.S. Senator being elected by the equivalent of Boise, Idaho. They have the occasional big scandal (usually involving corruption, incompetence or big-brotherishly inappropriate usurpation of police powers), but there's generally a major brouhaha around it -- much more so than with political scandals of similar relative dimensions in the US.
Regarding the nuclear documents -- I can't see how it's a bad thing, destroying instructions on how to build bombs, regardless of what you can find online anyway. - G5745, on 06/04/2008, -0/+5And they have the Swiss Army Knife, which is the deadliest weapon in the world, period. You just don't ***** with that.
- Workster, on 06/04/2008, -0/+5Nuclear proliferaton is not a good thing people!
- craighoxton, on 06/04/2008, -0/+5The cool thing about Switzerland? The soft drink called Rivella that's made out of milk.
- GoEKniGhtofNi, on 06/04/2008, -1/+5for me that's old news (since I'm Swiss). Well we probably have enough money / gold in our banks, so we didn't care to sell those information to any terrorist group.
- risotto, on 06/04/2008, -0/+4Switzerland does not have a "President". Pascal Couchepin is just one among 7 that represent the Swiss government's executive.
- ParanoydAndroid, on 06/04/2008, -0/+4DesertDude, the MAD doctrine only applies to countries that act as rational entities interested in their own survival. When countries run by self-delusion sociopaths (like N. Korea) get the bomb they would probably be much more willing to use it, no matter what the cost.
On top of this, countries that are friendly with terrorist organizations would thereby be passing nuclear materials/weapons to organizations staffed by people who think martyring themselves is a really great idea.
All in all, no, not every country should had nuclear weapons. - PhilLesh69, on 06/04/2008, -1/+5Wow. This is a big scandal.
The swiss authorities destroyed documents that could show someone how to build a nuclear weapon. It is not like this information is not in the open source already. It is not like I couldn't go to my local library and look this stuff up already.
I guess the story is that Iran is developing nuclear weapons, and we have to be fed a steady diet of information that will lead us to believe that the upcoming attack on Iran was justified in order to "save our lives" from the homicidal maniacs who were hell bent on destroying our country and killing our children.
Yeah, I'm scared. I'm just not sure who I'm scared of. After Iraq, I'm starting to think that I should be scared of my own political leadership. - peterjmag, on 06/04/2008, -1/+5Yes?
- akimbo, on 06/04/2008, -2/+5I already did, and she was thrilled.
- robeph, on 06/04/2008, -0/+3Repealed? Just saying...that's all...
- AgarwaenUmarth, on 06/04/2008, -0/+2If the US government were serious about the NNPA it would destroy all of its remaining nuclear weapons.
- civilizedevil, on 06/04/2008, -2/+4Switzerland doesn't really have a need for deterrent weapons unless there is a sudden worldwide wristwatch shortage.
- inactive, on 06/04/2008, -0/+2IKEA is Swedish you stupid ***** LOL!.
The IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) is the organization that the US should have been listening to that said Iraq had no nuclear plans/weapons or ambitions.
You uneducated yank. - warriorscot, on 06/04/2008, -0/+2You could learn all the knowledge needed and get a point in the right direction but Nuclear weapons are still hard to build, if it was that easy allot of countries would have them.
- AgarwaenUmarth, on 06/04/2008, -0/+2They didn't exactly have friendly neighbors in either of the World Wars, and still they managed to remain (for the most part) unattacked.
- Pixelante, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1Switzerland has domestic terrorism in the form of Jura separatists (Belier) who are more of a nuisance than anything else, and they have had to deal with Armenian terrorists back in the '80s. Moreover, any terrorist movement operating in Europe concerns them. Switzerland also hosts many international organizations that are valuable, high-profile targets. Combine the target-rich environment with a police force that is more or less employed to give parking tickets and you have the picture.
Study some before ***** out of your mouth. - robeph, on 06/04/2008, -1/+2YAY IKEA, treading the way for comfy arses and nuclear free world...Wait... what's the IAEA?
- inactive, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1Yeah. Sooner or later some Bush somewhere will try to take it all away.
- G5745, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1Studying is for losers. I'd rather smoke crack.
- YagLana, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1Switzerland*
- AgarwaenUmarth, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1I do believe your sarcasm detector is malfunctioning. Take two cyanide tablets and call me in the morning.
- colin8651, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1No, backed by debt.
- smek2, on 06/04/2008, -1/+2"the documents had been shredded to prevent them from falling into terrorists' hands" -- terrorists are like a lame plot-device in movies. They use the term as an excuse for everything.
"The official stonewalling has fueled speculation that the United States, and specifically the CIA, has pressured the Swiss government to destroy the documents" -- that's rich. Why not start to shred your own materials first? After all, the US has the most advanced and deadliest arsenal of weapons on the planet. - buckrogers1965, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1I think they sell furniture that you have to put together yourself. :)
- lgfaphile, on 06/04/2008, -2/+3Funny how the picture of Couchepin looks like the Nazi Szell played by Lawrence Olivier in Marathon Man.
- colin8651, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1The Swiss are into banking. A bank is the first place you go to fight a war. You could probably find a link to the Swiss from every war in the last 100 years. They just don't pick sides.
- JohnnyXmas, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1I'm saddened by the fact that we believe this cliched ***** story because we watch too many movies where its a perfectly viable plot device.
- datastorageguy, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1The Swiss could have built nuclear weapons years ago if they really wanted to.
- McShr3dd3r, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1Nuclear Fondue? Sounds yummy
- AgarwaenUmarth, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1Trade with all, alliances with none.
It's a good way to run a country. The best way, really. - AgarwaenUmarth, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1Your currency is backed by specie (gold), correct?
- MonexFRAUD, on 09/17/2008, -0/+0You should probably think about investing in gold and silver in these troubled times. Gold and silver can be a good hedge against economic volatility as long as you're not doing a leveraged trade. You may wish to invest in the gold ETF (GLD) or the silver ETF (SLV) in a non-margin account. This is the least expensive way to invest. If you feel a need to to take delivery of your metals be extra cautious about who you buy from. Check the Better Business Bureau for complaints, ratings, and adviseries. Also check RipoffReport.com for complaints and read how or if they were handled. At http://www.monexfraud.com all the information you need about Monex Deposit Company is conveniently gathered in one place. Monex is the worst company you can buy precious metals from so do yourself a favor and don't do it. Go to http://www.monexfraud.com and you'll see what I mean!
- inactive, on 06/04/2008, -2/+2Normally placid? I take it you've never actually been and like all americans rely on low quality TV show ethnic stereotypes.
Also I dont believe they shredded these documents. No government would pass up this oppurtunity. Are they admitting they are incapable of keeping documents out of terrorist hands? Unlikely.Its just to get the IAEA off their backs. - MonexFRAUD, on 09/17/2008, -0/+0You should probably think about investing in gold and silver in these troubled times. Gold and silver can be a good hedge against economic volatility as long as you're not doing a leveraged trade. You may wish to invest in the gold ETF (GLD) or the silver ETF (SLV) in a non-margin account. This is the least expensive way to invest. If you feel a need to to take delivery of your metals be extra cautious about who you buy from. Check the Better Business Bureau for complaints, ratings, and adviseries. Also check RipoffReport.com for complaints and read how or if they were handled. At http://www.monexfraud.com all the information you need about Monex Deposit Company is conveniently gathered in one place. Monex is the worst company you can buy precious metals from so do yourself a favor and don't do it. Go to http://www.monexfraud.com and you'll see what I mean!
- TheBigSquid, on 06/04/2008, -1/+1Off subject but thank you, switzerland, for the k31!
- Murdats, on 06/04/2008, -2/+1crap I stupidly mixed up the name of the country.
- DesertDude, on 06/04/2008, -2/+1@Android: Your logic is basically "we are good, others are bad, so we deserve it, they dont". There is no terrorist organization most destructive than the US government. It is the only country that uses nukes and semi-nukes (Daisy Cutters) on civilians and innocents. Israel, a state that practices terrorism on a daily basis, has nukes. India, which was once governed by the terrorist BJP party, has nukes. So that ship has sailed. Now, even the most evil of regimes deserve nuclear bombs. No matter how bad they are, they can never be as bad as the administrations that ran the US since the last century.
- G5745, on 06/04/2008, -6/+4*****, there are no terrorists in Switzerland, because as we all know, terrorists are repealed by cheese and chocolate.
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