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Pro-Tibet protesters climb Golden Gate Bridge tower

sfgate.com — SAN FRANCISCO -- Three demonstrators scaled the south tower of the Golden Gate Bridge this morning in a protest aimed at drawing attention to Chinese human rights violations in Tibet.

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  • AllINeed, on 04/08/2008, -18/+53What's really surprising is the city of San Francisco wouldn't give the Free Tibet campaigners a permit to rally/protest the human rights violation of the Communist People's Republic of China.
    • kolinkoolface2, on 04/08/2008, -10/+2i find it incredibly odd that for how liberal San Francisco is, they won't let them do this. But then again San Francisco is trying to tell you how much water you can consume and if you can burn wood in a chimney.
    • Armakillo, on 04/08/2008, -2/+23Climbing bridges is dangerous, even if it's for Tibet.
      • joestump, on 04/08/2008, -2/+3That's what I said today in the office. I don't know a single cause on the planet that I'd climb that bridge for. It freaks me out just riding my bike across it!
    • Emnsta, on 04/08/2008, -5/+6Think about it, yes they should have the right to protest, but what if it is disrupting others' activities? Let's say someone has a problem with you, you go go a party with friends, and a guy with a megaphone follows you around yelling at you when you're just trying to get your ***** done, its free speech isn't it?
      • zombird, on 04/08/2008, -1/+2If I committed genocide on the way to the party, I'd expect it.
        • andburn1, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1But who on the Golden Gate is committing genocide or controlling neighboring nations?
        • MadCactus, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1You never know.
        • godplaysdnd, on 04/09/2008, -1/+0what genocide? you got proof? or are you spewing liberal *****?
      • BoneheadFarker, on 04/08/2008, -0/+0Isn't that the same reasoning behind Free Speech Zones?
    • sanman, on 04/08/2008, -1/+2Money Talk$
    • Rich711, on 04/08/2008, -1/+2And how exactly has punching French cops and wrestling a torch from a handicapped woman helped liberate Tibet?

      So they won't raise a hand in violence to stop oppression (unless it's to punch cops) but they will extinguish the symbolic flame of a sporting event... why do these Tibet protesters remind me of that Fight Club line about shooting every panda that wont screw to save their species?

      Maybe they can tackle those guys in the dragon costume at the Chinese New Near parade that might lead to national independence in Tibet.
  • sungoddess808, on 04/08/2008, -27/+27I normally don't get involved with protests, but I will be downtown on Wednesday when the Olympic torch comes through San Francisco. I have not purchased anything made in China in quite a while and don't expect to. =)
    • drjekelmrhyde, on 04/08/2008, -4/+17Now sungoddess you know that's *****
      • sungoddess808, on 04/08/2008, -10/+4Honey, I don't shop at Wal-Mart.
        • sv650touring, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1Really? I do all the time.
          • philipl411, on 04/08/2008, -1/+1I use to avoid Walmart, too many poor people there. But walmart finally built a store in my area of Austin. The average income here is about $150,000. but guess what? the store is never crowded. No poor people spending my money they stole from me thru taxes
    • VinnieDaMac, on 04/08/2008, -4/+14I hope you're good looking, because you're definitely not smart.
    • xlar54, on 04/08/2008, -3/+4Did you protest the Iraq war? Did you protest the 9/11 attacks?

      Dude... this is the olympics. You're protesting guys who run.
      • Waiting2awake, on 04/08/2008, -1/+2No they are protesting having it in a country that - as you no doubt will point out - China doesn't care about human rights.

        The only reason this is being made into a big deal is because of the business side. We don't want to upset their partners just because they torture, kidnap and steal organs doesn't mean that they are bad people does it?
  • kosmoX, on 04/08/2008, -15/+90In other news, China payed no attention.
    • t0x2c, on 04/08/2008, -7/+1That's news?
    • kenvsryu, on 04/08/2008, -3/+8Cause they can't read English?
    • iancgi, on 04/08/2008, -4/+10its not about china paying attention its about making others aware of whats happening.
    • stretch611, on 04/08/2008, -1/+4In other news, China noticed the incident and proceeded to block all references to it from reaching their own citizens.
    • Mightbiteyou, on 04/08/2008, -0/+0Are you kidding, the Chinese government always looks to hippies with King Kong fetishes to determine its foreign policy.
  • hollywoodphony, on 04/08/2008, -13/+10They should have thrown their tea in the water, like we did back in Boston.
    • cLOUDFAn, on 04/08/2008, -5/+9yeah...maybe china gov should have killed all tibet ppl then take up their land, or move them to inland china then make them slaves...just like you did
      • hollywoodphony, on 04/08/2008, -6/+4LOL! Good idea. Thankfully, poor little China has brave people like you to stand up for their right to oppress people and extinguish dissent! Kudos to you, friend!
      • sanman, on 04/08/2008, -3/+4Actually, China DID do this to many
        • Waiting2awake, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1Whats the past-tense for? They are doing it, and will continue to do it until it is unprofitable to do so.

  • jim3008, on 04/08/2008, -17/+7an interesting video about free Tibet:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=e6QTb35douw
    • sanman, on 04/08/2008, -7/+6That video is a pile of crap. Notice that the guy disabled comments for his videos, because he doesn't want anybody to point out that he's full of sh*t.
      Do you work for the Chinese govt, "jim"?
      Here, try this one for a more factual version of history:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VRneGYpaXc
      • jim3008, on 04/08/2008, -8/+2no, i don't work for the Chinese govt. All i'm trying to say is Dali lama (self-claimed reincarnation of God) is full of crap, most of us(westerns) believe no one is above the law(constitution). In order to "actually" free Tibet is NOT handing it back to the Dali lama, so he can enslaves the Tibetans.

        In the worst case, the Tibetans will actually be better making "stuff @ Wal-Mart" for couple hundred dollars under Chinese Govt than being paid NOTHING under the Dali Lama.
        • sanman, on 04/08/2008, -1/+4hey buddy, I've got news for you -- the Dalai Lama is a pretty down to earth guy, and doesn't consider himself above anybody. But he does preach non-violence, tolerance, and introspection. He didn't declare himself Dalai Lama, he was picked as a child. Unlike the dictators in Beijing who have pretty much declared themselves lord of the land, and killed plenty of people to keep it that way. China doesn't have a lock on Wal-Mart btw, other than the fact that Wal-Mart prefers low-priced suppliers who use slave labor.
      • talochi, on 04/08/2008, -2/+0. . . few Tibetans would welcome a return of the corrupt aristocratic clans that fled with him in 1959 and that comprise the bulk of his advisers. Many Tibetan farmers, for example, have no interest in surrendering the land they gained during China’s land reform to the clans. Tibet’s former slaves say they, too, don’t want their former masters to return to power. “I’ve already lived that life once before,” said Wangchuk, a 67-year-old former slave who was wearing his best clothes for his yearly pilgrimage to Shigatse, one of the holiest sites of Tibetan Buddhism. He said he worshipped the Dalai Lama, but added, “I may not be free under Chinese communism, but I am better off than when I was a slave.”
        John Pomfret, "Tibet Caught in China's Web," Washington Post, 23 July 1999

        In November 2005 the Dalai Lama spoke at Stanford University on “The Heart of Nonviolence,”
        “The Iraq war—it’s too early to say, right or wrong.”
        San Francisco Chronicle, 5 November 2005
  • MrGold79, on 04/08/2008, -11/+42people from tibet just like climbing *****
    • BN2L, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1True but the protesters weren't Tibetan:
      'Arrested were Mac Sutherlin, 30, of Sausalito; Hannah Strange, 29, of Oakland; Duane Martinez, 27, of Sausalito; Alexandra Taub, 22, of Vancouver; Thomas Parkin, 38, of San Francisco; Tashi Sharzur, 47, of San Mateo; and Leslie Kaup, 31, of St. Paul, Minn.'
  • syroncoda, on 04/08/2008, -4/+13they climbed some of the cables not the tower. my boss got stuck in the traffic jam when it happened. helicopters everywhere.
  • Awspire, on 04/08/2008, -15/+20FREE TIBEAHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhh.......
    • longbow486, on 04/08/2008, -5/+10Hello China? Ha have something you want.... Yes, all the Tea...
  • brettuthius, on 04/08/2008, -15/+6Their two signs weren't aligned properly. Not what I call perfectionist protesters.
  • AmericanGunner, on 04/08/2008, -20/+4i want to see a tibet/gay flag a-flyin from the bridge.
    • godplaysdnd, on 04/08/2008, -4/+0makes sense the gay flag is in SF
  • footodors, on 04/08/2008, -12/+7Can't we just see people run fast and throw things farther than others without all of this whining?
    • theviceroy, on 04/08/2008, -4/+3Here here!!! Why do people care so much about where the Olympics are held? Boycott Chinese goods if you want, but leave the Olympics out of it.
      • hobbers, on 04/08/2008, -1/+7People should boycott the Olympics because they're the Olympics, not because of the host country. Has everyone forgotten how Nazi the IOC is? They try to copyright the entire Olympics. There was that big fiasco when blogging first started where the IOC said no athletes could blog about the Olympics. Wtf is that? And then there's the coverage rights they sell every year. I think in 2004 NBC bought it for the USA region ... pricetag was $2 billion or $3 billion. The Olympics is no longer about the spirit of the game. It's one giant marketing and commercialization tool.
  • D14BL0, on 04/08/2008, -12/+43If only China had large amounts of oil. Maybe then we'd liberate the Tibetans.
    • iloveazngurlzs, on 04/08/2008, -6/+1or wmd's
    • sanman, on 04/08/2008, -5/+8If China had large amounts of oil, they'd have burnt it and spewed it all into the air by now.

      Btw, in Chinese, Tibet is known as the "The Great Western House of Riches"
      So that's why China decided to "liberate" Tibet
      • sinoplaya, on 04/11/2008, -0/+0Oh come on as if the US doesn't burn and spew carbon into the atmosphere. if china had lots of oil it wouldn't be getting it from Sudan and the west wouldn't be whining about China supporting human rights violations in africa. On second thought that would be pretty nice wouldn't it? Oh and btw liberation shouldn't be in quotation marks considering the fact that since the liberation from serfdom and theocracy in the 1950s, life expectancy went up from 35 to 67, education, wages (Tibetans second highest paid in China) and population all likewise. Liberation? It's pretty damn well near liberation in comparision to Operation Iraqi "Freedom".
    • Mothrog, on 04/08/2008, -0/+2They probably do.

      http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-12/2 ...
  • Osahar, on 04/08/2008, -16/+6Real China: Watch Soldiers use Tibetans as Target Practice
    http://www.thirdeyeconcept.com/forums/index.php?to ...
    • godplaysdnd, on 04/08/2008, -2/+4Only imperial stormtroopers are that accurate.
      • BN2L, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1I can hit a human target 1km away with a rifle, those soldiers were closer than that. Mind you i used to be a stormtrooper.
    • BN2L, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1Why is this getting dug down? Are people thinking its fake?
  • drjekelmrhyde, on 04/08/2008, -22/+17Fvck a free Tibet I am worried about keeping my job in this recession and high as hell gas prices
    • sungoddess808, on 04/08/2008, -5/+3I hope you obtain security with your job so you don't have to worry. Not sure where you are, but the job market totally blows in SF!
    • iloveazngurlzs, on 04/08/2008, -10/+6***** your job security. atleast the gov't will take care of you instead of dousing you in gasoline and burning you in the street. Selfish prick.
      • Allibaster, on 04/08/2008, -2/+4Yeah, the US government has my back.......
      • rdoger6424, on 04/08/2008, -0/+4No, they do that to themselves as a form of protest. Not to say that the Chinese don't do other crazy ***** as well.
      • sv650touring, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1you're one of those weaboo things, aren't you?
    • pearlygate, on 04/08/2008, -2/+3well said
    • EwMo, on 04/08/2008, -4/+8You must be American. I hope you continue to live in your own little world/bubble, so you won't ***** up the world for the rest of us.
    • darkciti2, on 04/08/2008, -6/+6Solution: never vote Republican ever again.
    • glitternbells, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1me me me me me me me wah
  • munen123, on 04/08/2008, -10/+10china's government just like ours sux ass... at least with ours we will get to change in the near future.

    Free Tibet!!!
    • godplaysdnd, on 04/08/2008, -1/+1change as in "the audacity of hope" amirite?
  • Allibaster, on 04/08/2008, -15/+14Stoopid hippies. If they really cared, why don't they do something more helpful besides climb a bridge.
    • iloveazngurlzs, on 04/08/2008, -3/+15like comment on digg.
    • darkciti2, on 04/08/2008, -2/+15They're bringing attention to the issue, and it's working. It's more than you've ever done.
      • davemei, on 04/08/2008, -0/+0right....what does awareness really do? "Bam...did my part. Now you go fix it."
  • netsql, on 04/08/2008, -3/+17Wait till they find out about Bush position on Torture, and war in Iraq!
  • someone173406, on 04/08/2008, -5/+42Free Iraq while we're at it.
    • crowbar77, on 04/08/2008, -2/+4Nah, "Free Iraq" just doesnt sound as cool. You need a catchy toon to go along with the bandwagon.
    • Rich711, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1BUUUUUUUUUUSH! Gotta write something about Bush! I am a dumb liberal and cant relate to anything that happens in the world unless I can compare it to how much I hate Bush!!!!

      Sure they execute more citizens than all countries on the planet, that they execute their citizens for crimes as vague as corruption but what about the U.S. Bush had my friend arrested for smoking weed!! Medical weed he needed for a horrible knee injury from skateboarding. It's almost exactly the same as China!!
  • digitallysick, on 04/08/2008, -13/+7Want to free tibet? send them some weapons. I am against violence but the land belongs to them, time to take it back from china.
    • EwMo, on 04/08/2008, -2/+6Yea, bomb China. That'll do something. I'm sure of it. It's not like they have any effects on our economy, our way of life, or any importance in the world.
    • cLOUDFAn, on 04/08/2008, -5/+11just like North America belongs to Native Americans
      why don't we give weapons to Native Americans and let them take back their land
      oh wait
      you killed all of them
      smart!!
      • theviceroy, on 04/08/2008, -1/+3Us ex-britishers are clever that way...
    • jn35, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1You mean give back the land to the former Tibetan slave owners living abroad? Why don't you come to China and ask Chinese Tibetans if they want to be independent?
  • ericknows, on 04/08/2008, -13/+8funny,,,haha~~~they want human rights,right??,,but who will give the human rights to the victims who killed by monks and those violent protesters in tibet in 3.14???,,there are more than ten people were killed ,,include five young girls(one tibetan girl and four Han girls) who were burned alive by those monks and violent protesters,but are there any human rights organizations care the victims' human rights?NO,,they only care about how to sperate tibet from china!!!,there are many videos can prove that the monks and protesters are violent in 3.14 in tibet!!and now,,many western medias lie to you,,,,,and i will give you some truth about how western medias distort the truth and news in tibet,,

    YOU CAN GO TO::: http://www.anti-cnn.com to see the truth,,,and the true faces of the western medias,,it's the proof!!!
    • redragon3883, on 04/08/2008, -5/+3and you think that China is not violent towards the Tibetan over all these years? When you think rationally how long they (Tibetan) had put up with China's behaviour regarding Tibet (over 20 years), a peaceful protest is an impossibility, anger is a hard emotion to contain.
      • ericknows, on 04/08/2008, -3/+1i am a chinese ,and i am living in Sichuan provence where is near by Tibet,,and in our provence ,there are also many tibetan people,,and i have some classmates and relatives are tibetan,,,,i dont met and saw the chinese goverment was and is violent towards the tibetan,,
        • vertexoflife, on 04/08/2008, -0/+2"I am totally best friends with black people, but it's soooo unfortunate that someone shot MLK"

          that's how it translates.
      • HlinDigg, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1Have you ever been in Tibet? Do you know anything about Tibet and Dalai? You guys always talk about "China's behavior", show me what kind of "behavior" you really saw? Give evidence please before you blah blah blah.
        Chinese government spent a lot on building Tibet. They built Qing Zhang railroad to bring business and fortune to Tibetan. A lot of Han people scarified during the construction because of the bad weather and environment. Only people who contributed to Tibet have the rights to talk about Tibet's future, but not you! Not Dalai!!
    • rdoger6424, on 04/08/2008, -4/+4Hmm... Twice the punctiation necessary, laughable spelling, broken link. Seems like you convinced me!
      • HlinDigg, on 04/08/2008, -0/+0As an English-is-2nd-language person, he is good enough!! Because you have nothing to prove yourself so the only thing you could criticize is his non-perfect spelling. Compared with the original poster, can you please also type some Chinese?
      • jn35, on 04/10/2008, -0/+0Broken link? I thought no internet censorship in USA!
    • redragon3883, on 04/08/2008, -2/+4its interesting that the link you give is, in some part in Mandarin, quite suggestive of where and who created this website don't you think?
      • ericknows, on 04/08/2008, -5/+2the whole world's chinese people built this site,,we just want to let you see how your western medias distorted the truth,,,they just want to prove that your western medias lied to you,,,if you who never have been bo tibet,,you have no any rights to comment ,,,becasuse all news about tibet you get are from your western medias,,did you see the true tibet by your own eyes???if you didn't ,please keep qiuet !
      • tim04, on 04/08/2008, -3/+2so I guess that English based sites are all biased towards White Governments. nice analogy retard.
      • HlinDigg, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1ha ha, now I really need to think twice if I should spend time to argue with you -- no logic and no brain at all!!! =))
  • ictoan, on 04/08/2008, -33/+42I do not think China violated human rights in the Tibet riot. They did what any government would have done: quell the protesters. Yet western media go on a field day condemning Communist (of course there's never any Democratic United States of America... adjective are only worthy when it has negative connotation) People's Republic of China for their 'human rights violation'. Western news reports are more than eager to print that the Tibet riot was peaceful and the Chinese police use unnecessary force when the fact is totally opposite. It was not a peaceful protest!

    I don't care if I get digg down because it's true. Americans are greedy. They want to buy cheap goods from China yet expects the country to be poor and powerless so that they can exploit the country more until every last drop has been squeezed. When China finally starts to put its foot into the developed door, every developed countries (mostly western, Japan is a different story) want to knock it down with skewed criticism.

    It may be true that China has many human rights in the past but the country has transformed so much over the years. It has combated various rules and traditions for thousands of years and now it's being criticized by countries with less history, especially freaking not even three hundred years of history country called America. It is so annoying. Ahh, go visit the country and see for yourself what the country truly represents...

    One final thought, the Olympic is a world event and the Chinese citizens are very proud to have the event in China. And now a bunch of ***** go all politic to screw all the hard work up, it's totally disrespectful! If people want China to improve their human rights, it should at least should respect because feelings will be reciprocated. Treat people the way you want to be treated also applies on a larger scale as well.
    • spikespikespike, on 04/08/2008, -18/+13Hah. Hah! Really, I can't think of anything else to say because I find your blatantly biased and pro-chinese position so ridiculous.
      • ictoan, on 04/08/2008, -8/+16Why is it ridiculous? If you can't think of anything to say, then you're not making any points at all. I don't think I'm pro-Chinese, more like observing it from both positions and reading from multiple news sources. But then again, I would rather be labeled pro-Chinese than ignorant 'can't think of anything else to say' person.
      • tim04, on 04/08/2008, -5/+6I find your blatantly biased and pro-Tibetan position so ridiculous.
    • chungmaster, on 04/08/2008, -8/+9Yeah I don't really think the cops are gonna stand around and chill when people are reacting violently to them. It's standard in every country for the police to retaliate violently as well. Of course, most people in Tibet are protesting peacefully, the ones that aren't are ruining the cause.
      • corfe83, on 04/08/2008, -1/+16 I lived in China for half a year in 2005-2006, and my wife is Chinese (she didn't leave until she was 23). I agree with your complaints about America, but I think you should show more concern about the Chinese government's control over its people. It is deeply concerning to me, and (I don't know if you're Chinese, but) I notice many Chinese trying to defend their countries honor, without willing to be open about the real issues that exist.

        "Western news reports are more than eager to print that the Tibet riot was peaceful and the Chinese police use unnecessary force when the fact is totally opposite. It was not a peaceful protest!"

        If it wasn't a peaceful protest, why did China forbid all media from attending, and confirming this? Only a guilty party would ban journalists from an entire region - the innocent want the whole world to see. I watched the Hong Kong news myself - after being denied entry to the city, the journalists were followed by the police, chased away from Lhasa. Furthermore, the Chinese media reported that the Dalai Lama was encouraging the protesters in Lhasa to be violent, when in fact he said he would step down if the protesters were to continue using violence! The truth is the Chinese government is afraid to let the Chinese people see what is really happening.

        "and now it's being criticized by countries with less history" the length of history is a wonderful thing for Chinese to be proud of, but it has nothing to do with this issue, and is a fallacious reason to look down on another country's opinion. People criticize the Chinese government from countries outside of China, because it's illegal to criticize the government from inside China. My wife studied in the PRC to be a reporter - as a journalist, you're required to be a member of the communist party, and you're told to agree that "As a journalist, your first duty is to serve the people. The best way to serve the people is to serve the communist party". If you report anything else (besides what the communist party officials tell you to report), you can lose your job, go to jail, or worse. Because of this, corruption is rampant in the Government in China, and the Government works hard to cover its ass by restricting information.

        Did you know there's no live TV in the PRC? It's true - there's always a several-second delay, for the government censors to block anything that might offend the government.

        "It may be true that China has many human rights in the past but the country has transformed so much over the years...Ahh, go visit the country and see for yourself what the country truly represents..."

        It is still a country that teaches lies in the history books it gives its children, the media is government controlled, and citizens can be punished for speaking their mind. I met a man in Xi'an whose niece had the best test scores in the entire Shaanxi province, and so was able to study in Beijing. She participated in the protests, and was taken from the family. Her name was permanently deleted from the hukou (family register), as though she never existed. He never saw her again, and is not even allowed to mention it - this is how afraid the Chinese government STILL is of ideas that don't come from the ruling party.

        "And now a bunch of ***** go all politic to screw all the hard work up, it's totally disrespectful! If people want China to improve their human rights, it should at least should respect because feelings will be reciprocated. Treat people the way you want to be treated also applies on a larger scale as well." I agree with this.

        Look, I'm willing to criticize my own country for its faults. But when the issue is about China, please be open about your country's faults, too!
        • philhatesyou, on 04/08/2008, -3/+2Your claim that it was a peaceful protest is *****. If it was a peaceful protest, why did the Tibetans burn down a Mosque? Because they're ***** monsters. There's an eyewitness account of what went down in China in a recent issue of The Economist. As it turns out, whether you'd care to admit it or not, the Chinese government showed a lot of restraint... probably too much. This restraint was to the detriment of the Han and Hui Chinese living in Lhasa and made the situation look extremely chaotic, which is likely the reason the Chinese didn't want the media there.

          But you know, it's so much easier to just rail against something than it is to read and look up the facts.
        • kinderonline, on 04/08/2008, -2/+0>> If it wasn't a peaceful protest, why did China forbid all media from attending, and confirming this?

          That's because the Chinese government is incredibly stupid on its action to block
          the journalist from reporting Tibet.

          Radio France Internationale released an interview on April 2
          (http://www.rfi.fr/actucn/articles/100/article_6734 ... The reporter asked
          Dawa Tsering, Tibet Gov. in Exile spokeman this question: "Chinese officials
          questioned several times about Dalai Lama's 'non-violence' claim. They argue
          if Dalai truely supports non-violence, then why he hasn't condemn the savage
          killings of Han Chinese by Tibetan rioters?"

          Here is Mr Tsering's answered: "First of all, I have to declare that during the
          whole event Tibetans did not take any violent actions. From the view of Tibetans,
          violence means hurt to a person's life. From the videos we can see, there were
          beatings on Han Chinese. But those were only beatings. After beating, those Han
          Chinese would run away. That's just beating, not a hurt to human life. All those
          being killed are just because of accidents, which can be clearly observed in the
          news from CCP. They would hiding upstairs when Tibetans smashed the doors. They
          were just hiding and did not run away when Tibetans set the fire. They were burnt
          to death by accident. Those who set the fire did not know there were Han Chinese
          hiding upstairs."

          OK, I want to ask, do you agree with Mr. Dawa Tsering on his definition of "non-violence"?
        • BN2L, on 04/08/2008, -1/+3Well said mate, shame its a reply to a reply, best comment i've read on this subject.
        • Wrangler76, on 04/11/2008, -0/+0"If it wasn't a peaceful protest, why did China forbid all media from attending, and confirming this? " Corfe, your entire argument is kind of dismantled by the fact that a few Western reporters and tourists WERE there and they DID see the violence. James Miles for one. Some Canadian and Swiss tourists also saw the Tibetans beating Han Chinese and James Miles even saw a boy getting stoned. How awesome are those Tibet "protests" eh? What were China's reasons is unknown, but for you to automatically assume that the riots were in any way peaceful just shows your awful bias. In any case, even with a Western reporter sending back information abuot the VIOLENT riots, the media chose to focus on the Chinese military "crackdown", communism, pop in a bit about TIananmen once in a while, etc. And it's because of people such as yourself, that the media can mislead so easily. People who don't actually go looking for information about a subject before saying FREE TIBET or ***** china.
    • ScythedBlade, on 04/08/2008, -4/+2Dugg for accuracy!

      So for all you retards, you shouldn't be wanting to FREE TIBET ... that isn't right. You want to END HUMAN RIGHT VIOLATIONS ... learn the difference between the ***** two, all you guys who failed to get into a good college ...
    • liquidfirex, on 04/08/2008, -3/+7Yes americans are greedy, but don't be a fool in thinking the entire world isn't greedy, therefore it's a moot point.

      The issue here is the Tibetans are almost entirely peaceful. You are talking about a soon to be world power that has the worlds "most powerful nation" by the proverbial balls and pocketbook. I mean that wouldn't be such an issue if they were even remotely just or had an any real morals. It's not at all about democracy vs communism, it's right vs. wrong. Dressing up soldiers as tibetans and acting violently to sway public opinion is not something I group the in "right" pile.

      And having history doesn't make a country's word any more important, that country is still made up of people who have lived for the same amount of time. I don't care how much backstory your country has that doesn't justify a single thing.

      And "no offense" but ***** you we're ruining the Olympics, get your priorities straight, China is an offender on all fronts, human right, environmental, moral you name it. You know what IS disrespectful? Not speaking out for those who can't because you want to watch people run around a ***** track. This is high time to put the spotlight on a disgusting regime, at a time when the majority of people who can help fix it are too busy watching Survivor to learn about it.

      People like you worry me, but make me realize how Nazi Germany came to be.
      • morningmatters, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1Get the priorities straight? With so many things wrong in this world Tibet is not even near the top of this list. More importantly, what will all of this accomplish? After the Olympics China will certainly crackdown on the Tibetans harder than ever before, and it will have good reasons to do so because of the burning and looting. There are be no sympathies whatsoever from most Chinese including those overseas over this issue so for once the government crackdown will be supported by most Chinese.
        How effective are these protests? Millions around the world have already protested against US occupation in Iraq for the last 5 years and how did that change the US policies in Iraq? What makes you think that these protests will change China's behavior? Most countries and especially China will only shift their policies if a significant amount of internal pressure is applied, not external. If anything, these protests have united Chinese netizens who are typically against the Chinese government. So, while these protesters sit nicely in their million dollar homes in SF Bay, the Tibetans will be ones who will face the wrath of the Han people.
    • BN2L, on 04/08/2008, -4/+3You need to look past the Chinese propaganda, they known to be liars. People have been protesting chinese human rights issues for years and i can assure you they still go on to this day. Look into political prisoners who are locked up and tortured simply for protesting against human rights, such as Hu Jia. You have to understand that Tibet is effectively a police state where Tibetans are treated as second class citizens. Petty crime is punishable by death. no judge no jury just a bullet in the head. The recent trouble in Tibet is just the tip of the iceberg and human rights abuses are not just confined to Tibet.

      Treat people as you want to be treated yourself? I couldn't agree more. You'd get locked up for that view in China.
      • khail250, on 04/08/2008, -1/+1you have never been to china *****
        • BN2L, on 04/08/2008, -1/+1No but I've been to tibet my friend. In 2000 Haha thats made my day.
    • BN2L, on 04/08/2008, -3/+3Heres links to some of China's recent human rights violations courtesy of amnesty international who know more about the subject than any of us:
      http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID= ...
      http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID= ...
    • martins12, on 04/08/2008, -2/+0I think your comments lack logic. While I agree that it is a government's responsibility to protect it's people, lethal force was used where it was not necessary. Don't you find it at all strange how the Chinese have worked hard to keep foreign press out of Tibet when these riots were taking place? Or how the death tolls that are reported by the Chinese don't even come close to matching those reported by the Tibetans? If they were acting legally and if the force that was used was legitimate and needed, then like the rest of the world, they should have and would have allowed the free press to be there to report.

      You must have a strong Chinese influence because you are severely tainted in your perspective. I would be curious to know how long ago you were in both China AND Tibet, if ever, because I was just there about 5 months ago and I can tell you from experience that there is serious cultural and religious oppression. We had many wonderful experiences with the Chinese people, but you are ignorant or blind if you have been to China and believe that there human rights are where they should be. If you have not been to China, then you should not be speaking about issues of which you have no knowledge.

      While it is an amazing sports spectacle, you are kidding yourself if you believe that the Olympics has not always been used for political gain and positioning. Your skewed view or lack of historical knowledge has mistakenly caused you to think that this is the first time that there has been threat of boycott or even the carrying out of such. As for your last statement, it is a bit difficult to respect a regime that continues to repress a majority of it's people while falling under the false pretense of the "People's Republic of China".
  • amdforever, on 04/08/2008, -23/+20Tibet has been, and will always be a part of China. It hurts to see people arguing and damaging the unity of China over historical facts.
    • redragon3883, on 04/08/2008, -9/+15actually Tibet have enjoyed their own autonomy until the time when the Red Army (Mao's era) come and take that away from them. At that same time, Dalai Lama goes into exile. So no, it is not part of China (even ancient China).
      • ericknows, on 04/08/2008, -11/+5do u know the chinese history??
        • redragon3883, on 04/08/2008, -8/+8do you believe the Chinese history?
      • tim04, on 04/08/2008, -6/+5Tibet has been a part of China since the Christian Crusades. It has ALWAYS been included in the maps of China in every single ruling dynasty/government since. I think that's enough justification for it to be a part of historical AND current China.
        Even so, I do believe they should be given some more autonomy, similar to Hong Kong. On the other hand, an ultimatum in the form of a independent Tibet isn't going to help anyone.
      • phytonix, on 04/08/2008, -3/+2Stupidity is powerful. You don't even know when Dalai Lama went exile and for what reason. Pathetic.
      • philhatesyou, on 04/08/2008, -0/+3You're a *****. Tibet was only ever semi-autonomous before the People's Liberation Army invaded.
      • oldhick, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1You are just plain wrong dumb ass. The first Dali Llama EVER was installed by the Chinese emperor. China has always had control over Tibet. While Tibet has been allowed to act autonomously, China never gave up their claim.
    • GoneFishing, on 04/08/2008, -0/+7Tibet was part of China since the Tang Dynasty 900 years ago. The Dalai Lama and Banchan Lama needed to visit the Chinese emperor for acknowledgement prior to their ruling of Tibet. In practice, no official from the Dynasty directly ruled Tibet, but China was the boss and Tibet was the associate.
    • xlar54, on 04/08/2008, -2/+2But who cares? If they want to be independent, who the ***** gives a ***** about "One China"? Its called Independence. China refuses to let go of the past, but nations like Taiwan and Tibet deserve to choose their own path. The Soviet Union tried to shut down calls for independence, and look where it got them.
  • Wholekernalcorn, on 04/08/2008, -4/+15SF Socialists Vs. Red Chinese Communists...who will win??

    • godplaysdnd, on 04/08/2008, -1/+7It's the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny
  • ericknows, on 04/08/2008, -6/+13Free Iraq first!!!!
    • godplaysdnd, on 04/09/2008, -0/+0Why? we haven't gotten all the oil there yet
  • theNazz, on 04/08/2008, -1/+23Given the skilled stunt to get the banner and flags raised on Golden Gate Bridge, there are some crafty minds working on the protest. I don't know what they have planned for the actual event, but something tells me that the bay area PDs are going to have their hands full. The Golden Gate Bridge was supposed to be on 'high alert' when those three got the banner and flags up, so I think SF PD are going to have a chip on their shoulder. Why do I get the feeling that teargas and rubber bullets are going to be riding shotgun with that Olympic torch when it hits SF?
  • pearlygate, on 04/08/2008, -6/+14meh, I don't believe what the media says about tibet. It could be another propaganda against China. Remember red communist fear several decades ago? I bet this is the same thing
    • SickDrummerJ, on 04/08/2008, -3/+1Loon!
    • khail250, on 04/08/2008, -0/+3sooo true, I was in China for many business trips, what we know of china is completely warped from what it is over there. Those protesters are not peaceful by any means, they lit fires to chinese mom and pop shops, started fights with bats and other blunt objects. Tibetans are bastard in my eyes because i saw first hand what these idiots are doing to innocent shop keepers and civilians.

      Lets not forget its China, rather the govt, and finally the media. we all see here how this plays out, its not americans that people hate its our govt, mostly bush and cheney. and the media... we see that with CNN and FOX already and know they have their own agenda.
    • huangweiqiu, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1you are bright!
      I just checked my comments on Digg.what ridiculous is that some diggers said i am a agent of China and I got paid because ordinary people can't access Digg.We can see that there are lots of American who are not truly know about China except the biased news.
      One more story,one of my friend had a trip to Germany last year, he was asked by a german that wheher chinese still have a pigtail......
  • Shirobake, on 04/08/2008, -16/+13This just in! China says it will let Tibet go as soon as we return all the ancestral Native American land back to the original owners, give Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, etc. back their independence....

    As far back as human rights abuses go, they could easily point out the US flaws in that department as well. Not just the problems of the Civil Rights movement or the imprisonment of Japanese Americans- heck it could go as recently as the WTO riots.

    Tibet was historically a part of China far longer than it was ever a united, free country of it's own volition. Further, life under Lamaist theocracy was NOT exactly the utopia people seem to be making it out to be. It was feudal, there was corruption, crime, warfare, etc. just like any other place.

    Kurdistan has more of a right to exist. But does ANYONE care about Kurdistan? What about the Basque? What about ANY of the dozens if not more of indigenous seperatist groups out there:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_autono ...

    No, because "Free Tibet" has become a marketing device, the Dalai Lama is seen as an almost Jesus-like entity, and because it's popular amongst the Hollywood "cause" types and naive, idealistic students.

    • sanman, on 04/08/2008, -2/+5whaddya mean "we" Beijing-lover?
    • olie_baba, on 04/08/2008, -3/+3Sure there are many other separatist groups. But the reason Tibet is getting attention is because of the Olympics.And I dont think Free Tibet is very marketable.
      • jn35, on 04/10/2008, -0/+0The reason the Olympic torch rally is getting attention is because of the Tibetan riots, really deliberate timing, good job Dalai!
    • phytonix, on 04/08/2008, -1/+2Truth hurts. Naive is alcohol. Hollywood stars and students love alcohol.
  • Shirobake, on 04/08/2008, -5/+3Sorry, link didn't work.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_autono ...
  • Aleks, on 04/08/2008, -2/+7Is it Tibet Appreciation Day? Maybe we should give them some of that Internet Money...

  • EwMo, on 04/08/2008, -2/+3Of course the only Tibet protest article to FP is the ONE w/o pics...
    http://southernledger.com/ap/117646/Protesters_Sca ...
    http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/04/07/paris-tor ...

    For the future, it's nice to choose a site with access to AP photos

    • n0sferatu, on 04/08/2008, -0/+4For the future, it's nice to provide people with the other half of the links as well.
  • buddypriefert, on 04/08/2008, -6/+1Yawwwwnnn. It took 7 hours for this story to hit Digg.
  • bubble4096, on 04/08/2008, -16/+16You all "Free Tibet" hippies make me sick! How many of your actually researched and look up the history??
    You know what? Tens of Thousands Iraqis and 4000 US troops have died since the "unlawful" war. It is a shame you protestors don't make a bigger buzz for this more serious issue.
    • SickDrummerJ, on 04/08/2008, -3/+1Get out of the clouds!
    • khail250, on 04/08/2008, -1/+4damn why the ***** are you getting buried?
    • BN2L, on 04/08/2008, -0/+2We did, you must have missed it but millions of people worldwide protested the Iraq war, far more than are protesting Chinese human rights issues. Its a shame you non protesters just sat back and let it happen. Maybe you should do some research yourself or just open your eyes.
  • klingerf, on 04/08/2008, -2/+1Check out the movie footage - pretty sweet:

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?o=0&f ...
  • cosmogal, on 04/08/2008, -6/+4I dislike China products alot? To exploit China for cheap products never comes across my mind bcos it is easily spoilt thingy or worse of all - contaminated food. I have bought a DIY clothes hanger from China, the very first day it brokes, I have a shorter clothes hanger! I have bought an office chair again made from China, within 3 days, the arm resting fell off!!! What's going to be next??? So, no more china products for me.
    • supras, on 04/08/2008, -2/+2In that case, you might want to stop using that computer of yours. Most parts made in China!
    • phytonix, on 04/08/2008, -3/+1Buy if from Walmart and you can return. If those things are returned too often Walmart will lose money and they will not import from China. Try that.
  • happyhead7, on 04/08/2008, -7/+6Ok when Bjork said "Free Tibet" it was cool. Everyone else are just lemmings.
  • Ziqing, on 04/08/2008, -8/+11Remember some time back, Diggers had a little rampage about Soldiers dressing up as Monks during the Tibet riots? This link shows that the pictures were in fact taken in 2001 and the monk robes were in fact for movie figurants. Seems like every1 thought a random picture from a badly designed buddist site was really creditable right?

    http://english.sina.com/china/p/1/2008/0406/153413 ...
    • philhatesyou, on 04/08/2008, -0/+3Welcome to digg, bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
    • akimbo, on 04/08/2008, -2/+2sina.com...

      Doesn't look very reputable, any better source? Ziging?
      Do you think we would just blindly take propaganda?
    • akimbo, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1Though you may have dug me down... the question still stand...

      Please provide other backup sources other than china... this is nothing to do with you... and everything to do with minimizing conflict of interest.
  • one1082, on 04/08/2008, -3/+6I'll preface this by saying I was against going to Iraq to begin with. But it seems to me that the same people speaking out against America in Iraq and how we should not be the "world police" are the same people who are all gung ho about China and their human rights. Pick a side.
  • h0ser, on 04/08/2008, -8/+17and the human rights violations of Iraqis by Americans goes unnoticed.
    • SickDrummerJ, on 04/08/2008, -5/+0Go to bed Little Boy. When you grow up maybe you'll have something good to say about the Military, when your swimming in your Pools and Driving your Luxury Cars as the Iraqi's will be,"Because of our Brave Soldiers!"
      You must be lonely out there in Loony Land, because you have absolutely no clue how blasphemous you are!
      • h0ser, on 04/08/2008, -0/+3you're way too sensitive. I don't have a pool or a luxury car, but I do appreciate my right to be "blasphemous" whenever I want to. That what our soldiers fought so hard for in the beginning. If the Iraqis wanted their freedoms badly enough they'd go through their own bloody civil war. It is not our place to go in, destroy everything that they've built in the past century, and then force our help upon them to build their own nation. A nation completely independent from us, but dependent on us. Strange situation we've gotten ourselves in.
      • khail250, on 04/08/2008, -0/+2Iraqi's will NOT be driving luxury cars for at least 100 years, if people like McMoron and bush continue to murder them. I was there dude, get your head out of fox news' ass before you make such a stupid comment.
    • Jinekace, on 04/08/2008, -1/+1"That N**ga tried to kill my father!" --Black Bush
    • glitternbells, on 04/08/2008, -0/+1Really? You don't think those who stand for the human rights of the Tibetan's and the Burmese also stand for the human rights of the Iraqi's? The human rights movement would even stand up for the human rights of your ignorant ass.
  • bobjina, on 04/08/2008, -13/+8What is wrong with these protesters? Half of them don't even know what's really occurring, let alone the history of Tibet. Scaling bridges and trying to ruin the Olympics will solve no problems. If we want to free Tibet, lets just free all the 50 states and then free all the counties in the states, and then free the cities in those counties. Then there won't be any human rights violations anymore, right?
    • jeopardydd, on 04/08/2008, -3/+31) how do you know that the protesters don't know the history of Tibet? do you happen to know them personally or something?

      2) the 50 states voted to become states (and look at PR, which we are not forcing to become a state since they are voting not to.) There are obviously differences between the states and Tibet's situation.
  • WhatsUpWithJack, on 04/08/2008, -3/+4Pics or it didn't happen. I still haven't seen a single picture of this yet.
  • Theod48, on 04/08/2008, -3/+2im so angry i could climb a bridge? who does that help
    • paulmer2003, on 04/08/2008, -1/+1Helps bring the issue to the attention of the common people, as shadowofleaves said below. Do they think China will actually give a *****? I think not.
  • shadowofleaves, on 04/08/2008, -4/+8God, some of the comments here are pretty retarded. The problem with China is one that no amount of protesting will ever solve. Protesting rarely directly helps anyone. The point of this was to get attention to the issues in Tibet/China - I'd say it worked.
    • supras, on 04/08/2008, -1/+3Cue nationalistic backlash which sets actual progress in the mainland back 10-20 years. Real productive.
  • shiftclick, on 04/08/2008, -8/+6Did anyone bother to tell them that Tibet is within the territorial grounds of mainland China and NOT California? Seriously, I think our Elemetary schools are failing us!
  • binaryloop, on 04/08/2008, -4/+6In related news.... crowds below started chanting: "Jump! Jump! Jump"
  • univerio, on 04/08/2008, -4/+8While you're at it, free Quebec! Hmm, maybe we should boycott the 2010 Winter Olympics...

    /sarcasm
  • Dubedition209, on 04/08/2008, -4/+5SF PROTESTERS FTW!!!!!
  • paulmer2003, on 04/08/2008, -6/+10Free Tibet! I was reading about Tiananmen Square and the violent supression of the protsts of '89. Makes me sick. ***** China!
    • KenshinSlayer1, on 04/09/2008, -1/+0Yeah? I'm sick of the Native American assimilation and genocide back in the 1800's, but I still like it in America. You don't see me yelling, ***** AMERICA!!
    • sinoplaya, on 04/11/2008, -0/+0***** america! free california!
  • SirPopper, on 04/08/2008, -4/+5Maybe someone is interested to see the CNN video http://digg.com/world_news/Olympic_protesters_on_G ... and dugg.

    I loved the banner on the Golden Gate Bridge today. ONE WORLD ONE DREAM FREE TIBET!
  • dakbonsa, on 04/08/2008, -2/+2My God,
    Since when has digg been conquered by all these Chinese propagandists?
    • dakbonsa, on 04/08/2008, -2/+1All of sudden, all the anti-China comments are being buried.......fishy
  • SickDrummerJ, on 04/08/2008, -6/+2I believe a Boycott of the Olympic Games is in order, for the simple reasons that they have no Good Environmental Stature. There is no sunlight in China, because it is blocked out by the smog. No disregard and no intentions of Innovation. The death rate by Carbon Monoxide fumes must be astronomical. The Tibetans are being given the right to NOTHING and this has to stop!
    I think a strong stance should be taken by Citizens and not watch the events, they are clearly Violating Human Rights and should be punished for it!
    China even went as far as to say, that they will be able to control the weather when the games begin. I guess this will be to protect the players from the acid rain that falls. Also said, by Chinese Officials that they are going to show the world, that they are ahead of the curve, on the Environmental Hazards.
    O.K., now I've heard everything!
    • phytonix, on 04/08/2008, -1/+2So... if nobody go to Olympic games in Beijing, their environment will become better? How?

      The western world buy cheap products from China because it costs too much for them to make at home. China is a developing country for god sake. It is not realistic to expect China to have the same ability to control waste.

      And, all the Made in China products you are using, for cheap or for whatever reasons, contributed to the environmental problem in China. Actually, capitalists in the US benefited most from all this. See how rich Walmart is.
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