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Pentagon 'urged notes destroyed'

news.bbc.co.uk — Guantanamo Bay interrogators were told to destroy handwritten notes in case they were called to testify on detainee treatment, a military lawyer alleges. The lawyer, Lt-Cmdr William Kuebler, said the instructions were contained in a Pentagon operations manual.

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  • Surferess, on 06/09/2008, -27/+6This is the same story I submitted last night.
  • Waiting2awake, on 06/09/2008, -9/+27Seems like the enemy is becoming more and more blatant.

    So America...is THIS enough to make you guys realize who is the enemy? Who was always the real enemy?
    • protogenxl, on 06/09/2008, -3/+11I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.
      • Albionshores, on 06/09/2008, -5/+3"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!"

        Our chief weapon is surprise and fear.....
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJSVwTEft7A&feature ...
      • kooft, on 06/09/2008, -1/+10NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.
    • edrift101, on 06/09/2008, -2/+8When can we expect the UN sanctions to start? Or for Bush, Cheney, Rice, etc... to be tried for war crimes?
      • Waiting2awake, on 06/09/2008, -2/+9From the UN - nothing will happen. The US still has veto rights and thus make them untouchable.... But from within the US, a peoples revolt. That would be best.

        Americans can not, and should not, expect Russians or Canadians or, China or, etc to fix America's problem. Americans can - if they chose to.
        • SuperVepr308, on 06/09/2008, -2/+3"UN sanctions" BWAHAHAHA! Man, there ain't no ***** UN without us. Personally, I wish we would pull out in the next five minutes and collapse the whole den of snakes.
      • PURPLEDRINK, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1when pigs fly
    • lolinyerface, on 06/09/2008, -2/+3*yawn* Sorry, what?
  • ClosedCaption, on 06/09/2008, -6/+40Destroying evidence seems to be popular nowadays with Rule of Law Republicans
    • Waiting2awake, on 06/09/2008, -1/+13To be fair though - it isn't just one party - it is the entire system.
    • justjoehere, on 06/09/2008, -2/+5Whitewater
      • dinostabOMG, on 06/09/2008, -2/+3Whitewater isn't a fraction of a fraction as bad as this, and this is only one of many enormous abuses by this administration. Nice try at equivocation there, though.
    • SuperVepr308, on 06/09/2008, -0/+3Rose Law Firm.
  • bjs3171, on 06/09/2008, -3/+7SHOCK
  • ysss, on 06/09/2008, -2/+21Thank goodness for BBC's reality based reporting.
    • Phearce, on 06/09/2008, -1/+10How sad is it that as Americans our best option is to watch the BBC in order to get reasonable coverage of our own national events?

      (edit -- sometimes ABC **Australian Broadcasting Company** also provides a nice reality check.)
      • positron, on 06/09/2008, -0/+1The best source of news about your own country is always the press from another country.
      • duckyinc, on 06/09/2008, -2/+1Because you guys like to believe everything anti american..
    • lennybird, on 06/09/2008, -1/+2I trust only three news sources: BBC (The least trusted, but even so, far more than any American media), Digg and Current TV.

      To be honest, and no offense to UK residents: I don't think the UK is that much further ahead of us as far as settling government corruption. Put it this way, if I was attempting to escape a constricting government, I wouldn't go there; however, they're competitive with the U.S., so they'll grant their media privileges for covering any American story, be it bad or not. That's why I trust BBC to some extent.
      • thcobbs, on 06/09/2008, -0/+2Digg is so freaking biased its insane. I can't speak about the others.
        • lennybird, on 06/09/2008, -1/+1Digg is somewhat bias, but I think it brings up a lot of good articles and news coverage that the news media never covers; thus balancing out the also biased mainstream media.
        • mrbeagle, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1Mainstream media uses sensationalism and wanton distortion of the facts to further the conservative agenda. Digg uses sensationalism and wanton distortion of the facts to further the liberal agenda.

          Meanwhile, the world keeps spinning around...
  • aimhelix, on 06/09/2008, -4/+12This is how we thank the heroes that fell in World War II. Despicable.
    • Wiini, on 06/09/2008, -6/+2... seriously? That's a little over the top, don't you think?
  • bungle8, on 06/09/2008, -2/+17America, when the hell will you wake up? I hope it will happen before Bush nukes Iran!
    • Waiting2awake, on 06/09/2008, -1/+1Historically speaking - they won't.
  • weezer1024, on 06/09/2008, -3/+4I have mixed feelings about this. I can understand the desire to prosecute someone if the action is considered murder. (I'm not arguing either way on that one, I don't know enough about the background story.)

    What really gets me is the fact that they picked up a 15 year old as a combatant. It makes me wonder was the American stand on child soldiers is. If he had been 12 would they still have charged him? What about 10?
    • SuperVepr308, on 06/09/2008, -2/+3That 15 year old can probably field-strip an AKM or RPG in less than 60 seconds while blindfolded and hanging upside down from a tree. You are thinking in terms of suburban 15 year-old in America who's greatest problem is making sure they have the coolest cell phone in their class. Is the former a killer and a "soldier"? Yes.
      • Waiting2awake, on 06/09/2008, -4/+2 That kid may or may not be able to do what you subscribe to him. What isn't in doubt is that he is a kid.

        A kid that had nothing to do with the US president and his Admin lying about this crap and starting a senseless war.

        Even if he is what you think he is - why not go after the cause of all of this, instead of those forced to live through that hell brought on it from the American Admin?
        • vexingmodstwo, on 06/09/2008, -1/+2Psst... He was caught in Afghanistan.
        • Waiting2awake, on 06/09/2008, -0/+1@Vex.... and? Is being in Afghanistan a crime? Or only when America is invading looking for?....
      • weezer1024, on 06/09/2008, -0/+1I'm not doubting he should be classified as a "soldier". Regardless of his training/brainwashing (assuming he's a "child" and simply being raised that way) you are right, he probably had a good idea of how to fight with modern weaponry.

        But if a 15 year old killed someone inside the US there would be a serious argument about how he should be tried, as an adult or as a child. There are significantly different penalties. It has happened before where some children, who were well trained to use weapons, have committed murder inside the US. This is why I was asking what the stance on child soldiers is. If he had been younger, even by a year or two, would he be treated the same way?
        • SuperVepr308, on 06/09/2008, -1/+2Again, you are looking at this person as though he is an American and raised as such. We all know that age means different things in different cultures and situations. I suspect his peers consider him an adult and we should as well. As far as where you draw the age line, I can't say. Each person and their actions are different.
        • Waiting2awake, on 06/09/2008, -1/+2To you guys - if an army - say the Chinese Army invaded and occupied, your state - what would you do?

          Who would be to blame? You for defending something, or the invaders?

          The very basic, bottom line is that had the American response to 911 been measured, if it had been open and transparent - if those that did it were brought to justice instead of senseless invasions/occupations.. this kids life would be vastly different - as would 4000+ American soldiers, and ultimately 300 million or so Americans would be how much richer?


  • vexingmodstwo, on 06/09/2008, -6/+1Sure... they keep handwritten notes that say "We tortured him by doing X and Y and he said Z"... oookay.
    • dinostabOMG, on 06/09/2008, -0/+4If you're so sure, what's the problem then? Why can't we see the notes?
  • falcnor, on 06/09/2008, -7/+1Burried as dupe: http://digg.com/world_news/Gitmo_interrogators_tol ...
  • HotSauce750, on 06/09/2008, -0/+2Ahh... our closest friends and neighbo(u)rs.....

    WTF?
  • Infidelcastr0, on 06/09/2008, -0/+1What a huge surprise. I for one never would have expected the Pentagon to pull anything like this. How shameful, and completely unexpected.
    • sremick, on 06/09/2008, -0/+2And I for one welcome our new...

      ...wait, no I don't.
  • wynja, on 06/09/2008, -1/+5And some of you wonder why we withdrew from the UN human rights council.
    • Waiting2awake, on 06/09/2008, -0/+1Because you weren't going along with them anyway?

  • Wiini, on 06/09/2008, -6/+9Guantanamo Bay interrogators were told to destroy handwritten small penis notes in case they were called to testify on detainee treatment, a military lawyer alleges.

    The lawyer, Lt-Cmdr William Kuebler, said the instructions were contained in a Pentagon small penis operations manual.

    He said this apparent destruction of evidence at the prison camp stopped him from challenging alleged confessions in the small penis case of his client, Omar Khadr.

    He would use the document to seek a dismissal of the small penis charges, he said.

    Mr Khadr - a Canadian - is the only Westerner still held at the jail.

    The 21-year-old is accused of killing a US soldier and wounding another during a battle in Afghanistan in 2002.

    Mr Khadr was 15 when he was captured during the firefight at a suspected al-Qaeda camp in Afghanistan.

    He faces a maximum sentence of life in prison if convicted.

    Two weeks ago, Canada's Supreme Court ruled the Canadian government had acted illegally by handing over small penis documents from an interview with the suspect by its own intelligence services a year after his capture.

    'Crucial to the case'

    The manual on "Standard Operating Procedures" which reportedly contained the small penis instructions was obtained by Lt-Cmdr Kuebler from prosecutors last week as part of a pre-trial review of evidence, he said.

    Keeping the number of documents with interrogation information to a minimum can minimise certain legal issues

    Pentagon manual, according to Lt-Cmdr William Kuebler

    The lawyer said the evidence was crucial to the case as prosecutors were relying on small penis evidence extracted at Afghanistan's Bagram air base and Guantanamo.

    "The mission has legal and political issues that may lead to interrogators being called to testify, keeping the number of documents with interrogation information to a minimum can minimise certain small penis legal issues," Lt-Cmdr Kuebler quoted the document as saying in a signed affidavit.

    Correspondents say the document could support challenges by other detainees to the use of confessions as evidence.

    Last week the trial by military tribunal of five Guantanamo inmates began at the camp. They face charges relating to the 9/11 attacks on the US.

    The trials have already raised questions about not just the treatment of detainees, but also the small penis legitimacy of American military commissions.

    Later this month, the US Supreme Court is to rule on the rights of prisoners being held at Guantanamo Bay, threatening a possible delay or even halt to the proceedings.

  • amightywind, on 06/09/2008, -13/+4Makes sense to me, if you want to avoid appearing in front of the liberal lynch mob in the Senate. When will they put Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in front of a firing squad? I hope they use silver bullets. This guy has nine lives.
    • Waiting2awake, on 06/09/2008, -2/+6Maybe we can get a group discount and have Bush and his cronies along side with him.....?

      Who has hurt America more?
      • banderwocky, on 06/09/2008, -0/+3Silver bullets are too good for the Bush/Cheney war machine and Co. Make them out of manure, that would be more fitting for them.
  • ohplease, on 06/09/2008, -9/+4

    I am Canadian. Khadr and his family are self proclaimed jihadis. Please feel free to keep him or feed him to sharks.

    • Waiting2awake, on 06/09/2008, -1/+6I'm a Canadian, and the rule of law must be maintained.
  • FruityHotLips, on 06/09/2008, -1/+9At he end of the day he was 15 when captured. A CHILD.

    He wouldn't have been in the combat zone without the permission or aide of so called 'responsible' adults. He wouldn't be a 'jihadis' if not for the indoctrination of his family. He was never given a chance to choose, these children are bred on irrational hate from birth. His 'innocence' was never allowed to be. The system failed him, his parents failed him, society failed him. Whatever happens, a young man has had his childhood STOLEN. Last time I checked we tried to give kids second chances in the hopes they may one day be redeemed. Khadr didn't get a chance period, he got tortured and locked away.

    WTF is this world coming to when so called 'civilised' countries torture children, regardless of their 'crimes'?

    Its about time we started taking a hardline as a society with extremism from its root. ***** politically correct. And thats for ANY reglion, Christian, Muslim...it doesn't matter. Hate of any kind, especially that which allows a child to be flown half way round the world to take part in war is beyond evil and should be irredicated.
  • Zipko, on 06/09/2008, -1/+7The article I read on this said the guy on trial is being charged with war crimes for killing a US soldier with a grenade during a firefight. Is participating in a battle during war itself really a war crime? Or does it only apply to this guy because the person he killed was from the US.
    • 140Suffolk, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2
      He's a war criminal because he was not wearing a uniform or carrying weapons openly.
      These are Geneva Convention rules that protect civilians.

      The stinking jihadis NEVER act in any other way. They shoot FROM ambulances. They shoot AT ambulances. They store their ammo in kindergartens. Just one war crime after another.

      Truth is, in all prior wars, when these people are captured they were often just shot. Putting them in a comfortable cell in Gitmo is far better than back-stabbers like that have EVER been treated in history.
  • lazerus9, on 06/09/2008, -1/+2Video from inside Guantanamo. Here is a link:http://youtube.com/watch?v=dG5Qk-jB0D4
    • lazerus9, on 06/09/2008, -0/+2The audio stinks but you will find the same scene elsewhere on the same page.
  • FruityHotLips, on 06/09/2008, -0/+2Exactly! If Khadr had been an enemy solider he would simple be a p.o.w or more likely, a casulaty.
  • captmorgan555, on 06/09/2008, -0/+1I think people are over reading this. Stuff like this is sop at a lot of companies. It's meant to protect them from surprises in the court room. In this case people are assuming it was meant to be done as a cover up... :/
    • FuzzyDustBall, on 06/09/2008, -0/+0I think you have accepted a standard that is much to low for our government. We should not expect them to be doing illegal things that they need to protect them selves from by ordering the destruction of documents. Especially in cases where it outlines the treatment of prisoners. Really any company that feels the need to protect them selves in this way should look at what illegal activities they might be participating in and stop doing them rather then destroying evidence of them.
  • 666dorado, on 06/09/2008, -0/+2it's amazing this ***** isn't on the front page of CNN or any other MSM outlet...
  • banderwocky, on 06/09/2008, -0/+2Wow, who would have expected the fix was in with the Pentagon? Shocking....
  • Canadacdn, on 06/09/2008, -0/+3Into the memory hole...
  • buckybadger, on 06/09/2008, -1/+1This is ridiculous.
  • buckybadger, on 06/09/2008, -1/+1.
  • WiretapStudios, on 06/09/2008, -0/+1Thank god for Harold and Kumar.
  • miker1167, on 06/09/2008, -0/+1I have a question regarding the laws of War in this case. I was under the impression that one soldier killing another enemy combatant was not murder because it is under the conditions of war. What i understand about this case is that Khadar used a grenade to kill an american Soldier who had entered the compound after a long stand off with troops and a bombardment. How is this murder when it sounds like it should be covered by the laws of war, can some one explain to me the difference?
  • Asianwaste, on 06/09/2008, -0/+2I remember this Omar guy. He's got a huge afro now. Now I'm not saying any judgment on whether or not the guy deserves to be there or not, but this guy was complete and utter *****. When I had to deal with him he was very very resistant. Throwing his meals back at my face, refusing to go to the bathrooms in preference to go off on the side of his bed (he was in the hospital at the time) so that we had to clean it up, just so he can spit on our faces while we clean.

    Now I can empathize with the indignity of being at that *****, and I can even understand why he doesn't like us guards, but goddamn it, I didn't put his ass there and I don't know how he perceived my demeanor but really all I was there for was to make sure he got what he needed whenever he asked (such as food, blankets, or medical staff). I don't condone abuse of prisoners (which btw I personally witnessed none or have not seen any signs of such) but he really needed a smack in the face.
  • sddream, on 06/09/2008, -1/+2Ok, I know we all hate how the Bush regime handled the "war on terror".

    But com'on, he's no child, he will have to be either mentally retarded or both blind and deaf to not know what's he's doing.

    And as a Canadian myself, let me selfishly say that, whatever you do at the end, just don't let him come back to Canada, we got enough Khadr's already here. Who most of them always just find themselves "in the wrong place at the time", send him to BBC or something.

  • gunchy1, on 06/09/2008, -0/+0notes taken during an interrogation aren't evidence, hell they didn't even have to take them. These people aren't soldiers, they're kids and fat middle aged men in adidas track pants throwing explosives at professional soldiers, what military rights do they have? none.
  • Apocrypha, on 06/09/2008, -0/+1Well, that hardly seems fair.
  • Protoman, on 06/09/2008, -0/+1And what kind of Canadian kills our allies?
  • christopherRB, on 06/09/2008, -0/+1This just in: Obama got laid last night.
  • davidhallstrom, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1I dugg this because the slant was interesting but as far as I'm concerned, whether the kid was 15 or 50, I have no sympathy for him or his plight. Also I am more interested in victim's rights than in criminal's rights.

    If he went out to fight against and kill our people, he deserves what ever happens.
  • 140Suffolk, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1If the memos had NOT be destroyed they could be revealed in court.
    And valuable security information would get into the hands of people who would love to burn you alive.
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