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- animalmuther76, on 07/30/2008, -15/+177The UK and US are becoming what our grandparents fought to prevent in WWII. 1984 is comming true, just 23 years later
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+94Zombo, zombo, zombo you poor fool. Why do you see having something to hide as a bad thing? I'm no criminal, i don't have something to hide because i'm going to get caught for doing something illegal. It is called privacy - you know, the reason the data protection act exists, patient doctor confidentiality, the reasons you have curtains on your windows...
- asif5th, on 10/12/2007, -8/+66It's for the protection of the people :| *major sarcasm*
- owap, on 10/12/2007, -8/+57If the Tories win the next election they plan to scrap the program immediately. Remains to be seen whether that is true or just another election promise.
- TheSaladMan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+55"of course, digg democracy goes to work again, silencing any sort of "individual opinion""
He's not silenced, it's just the general consensus that you and him are wrong so you've been dugg down, anyone who wants to read an unpopular comment can. - Augie1969, on 10/12/2007, -7/+53Coming soon to the US.
- Nerfatron, on 10/12/2007, -4/+43[One concerned member of the public, Andrew Michael Edwards, asked what would happen to people who refuse to join the £5.4 billion scheme.
Mr Hall replied: "There is no need to register and have fingerprints taken - but you will forgo the ability to have a passport". ]
That just sums up the TOTAL arrogance of Blair's government. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+40God damn.... Where's V?
- TomP, on 10/12/2007, -7/+41I hate this UK govement!
- Newlow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?
- brassnads, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26Privacy is NOT a crime...
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Yes the Mail are nutjobs but in this case they happen to be right. It will be impossible to get a passport without registering for the ID card scheme.
- eatsushi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28The UK is such a petri dish of security for the US
- CarzorStelatis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26For those of you who know something about UK politics, let me put it this way:
This ID cards thing is enough to make a left-of-centre, pro-human rights act, pro-independence Scot vote for the ***** Tories at the next UK general election (unless Gordon Brown scraps it, which I doubt). Of course, there is a chance that Scotland will be an independent country (or on the way to becoming one) by then, so I might not have to face that problem. - Twoodge, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28Yet more Britons' tax money wasted on little more than an undemocratic government ploy designed for us to think we're safe on our insignificant isle.
- sjug, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25You wanted "protection"?
Cameras on every corner?
Now I bet 1984, V for Vendetta, or Children of Men doesn't look that far fetched any more.
Long live freedom. - reb42, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Who remembers "safe beneath the watchful eyes"
- msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -13/+33I only have curtains so I don't get arrested for public indecency while I shower in my own home.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26I'm American. Whats a Tory?
- Boeing777, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25back to the USSR. The UK and US have turned into the least attractive democracies of the western world.
After the ID card it'll be allowing police to randomly visit your home and inspect everything you own for your own protection. A revolution is due to stop these very same politicians who have driven the world to what it is today. Legal mafia under the the name of "labour party" or "republicans" should not longer be allowed to rule anywhere. - boybunny, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24Can we coin the term "Nazi England"?
How stupid of me to think that only exreme right wing politics bore the fruit of fascism. - essjay, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20For those saying nothing to hide nothing to fear, what about the general consensus that your personal details, pretty much everything about you (possibly including your movements if the road pricing plans go ahead) get sold to companies, who can then target you with advertising. I don't have anything to hide but I fear my details being sold for a few quid. If this goes ahead I personally will challenge it through the European Court of Human Rights under unfair restrictions of movements. Bloody Blair took us into Europe, we might as well use it against him for once. And the same goes for road pricing. The government *don't need* to know that much about us.
- bsmeteronhigh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17The mad desire to go completely off the grid grows every single day.
- Misesean, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Hey, "zombo", if you've got "nothing to hide, nothing to fear", why are you hiding behind the username "zombo"? Give your real name, street address, last year's income, and current bank balance, please.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Well for a start, there will be a central db that stores all your personal data - including biometrics. That is one hell of a honeypot for people who wish to steal identities. Remember this will be accessible to nearly all government departments - and they employ a good chunk of the working population (in the region of 20%).
The main complaints from my aspects are not what is bad about it, but what is good. Having to show a card to a copper on request is easily done with a good fake. Is every policeman really going to carry around a device to allow them to remotely access the db wherever they go? That is also ignoring the fact that someone like me would be damn reluctant to prove who i am just for walking down the street in the land i live and pay taxes and have never committed a crime.
As for any idea of it helping against terrorism, both 7/7 and 21/7 were done (or attempted) by Brits who would have had cards. In Spain they had cards long before the Madrid bombings.
There is also the argument of being used for benefits, but for the majority, the only one they use much is the NHS, and the Hippocratic oath doesn't go well with checking someone has the right to use the service... To claim nearly any other benefit you already need to prove who you are and have an NI number.
So the question is not why not have them, but why and what will they actually offer, other than giving a lot of information away about ourselves, costing a fortune and risking exposing an awful lot of data? - digga, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Yes, but it won't last forever!!..... hahahahaha!
-- Tony. - siszam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13How does monitoring legal citizens help crack down on illegals? It doesn't. You're naive.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Hopefully next time I use my passport it will be one way out of here.
- GonadHunter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1310 years is long enough for me to move out of the country
- GonadHunter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Im glad my new passport arrived friday morning
- Septimus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Completely agree.
Though is there anywhere left on this stinking planet that humanity hasn't made suck?
Antarctic? - JonDee, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Is that sarcasm, or are you retarded.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Yeah but Cameron seems to be backing off on the more distasteful Tory policies and is taking some sensible ones. I mean we are seeing the Conservatives pushing OSS in government FFS, when did that happen.
Right now the 'liberal' NL party have trampled on too many freedoms for my liking. - selrahc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I think nature made the Antarctic a pretty miserable place to live though...
- JonnyTrombone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@tenrec: The reason you don't -hear- about it on the "major networks" is because they relegate most news to the crawl at the bottom of the screen. I would point out that you found the story in a major newspaper- it isn't exactly buried news.
- Flamingmoth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I suspected measures such as this would soon come into play. Citizens become prisoners of sorts in their homeland. Not willing to give up your data -- you will only travel within your own country. Canada will do the same if pressed by the US of A. Control the masses.
- 7levels, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15and soon america will have RFID chips in every DL and passport. you wont be able to take a ***** without big brother knowing
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12"these cards will not give the government the power to do anything they can't already do if they spend enough money anyways. It will simply cut down administration times for illegal immigrants."
So why do the rest of us need to have them? Why spend £10bn+ doing so? How exactly do you believe it will cut down admin time for illegal immigrants!? - mojibyrd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Again for you sheeple out there this is all about a loss of your freedoms and liberties, pure and simple...be very afraid, very very afraid as it is getting worse before better as too many are sitting idle wilst this occurs.
- 4UIDigg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I predict they'll be having problems with illegal emigration pretty soon.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -12/+20That's all the reason we need to vote Tory.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Lol - i can see what you are trying to do there you little rodent you. Very good - linking ID cards with the idea that it will stop terrorism. I'm sure our Spanish friends agree with you whole heartedly.
- powatom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I'm a little skeptical since this is from the DM, but I still really, really ***** hate the idea of these ID cards. Nobody is going to ***** stop me taking a holiday if I feel like it, or even leaving the country for any purpose. I absolutely will not be 'opting in' to this stupid scheme. I don't even care if it WILL stop all crime, I just point blank refuse to be monitored by the government when I've done nothing wrong. This argument: "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" is a ***** disgrace.
- 35263526, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Jabertsohn, the enemy of my enemy...
Cameron's Conservatives are far more libertarian than today's power-creep Labour. - tr1290, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Police State. Coming to an America near you. Real ID will be amended into this in 5-10 years.
- Bonzodog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7So what happens with us ex-pats who want to renew our UK passports?
We currently get our British Passports from the UK Consulate, and They will not be able to force an ID scheme on UK Citizens not resident in the UK as I can see it, as they wouldn't be allowed to have things like Bank info and personal movements etc, due to International restrictions. If they were to do this with Uk citizens outside the UK, and the host country was to refuse a huge Diplomatic Incident could arise (And I happen to live in one of the countries that has been responsible for blowing up the British Army once or twice. IN the UK. Yes, Ireland). - ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Everytime i see things like this i think of that old WW2 quote
...."but i wasnt a jew so i didnt do anything..."
let that water boil - Aliarse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Doesn't matter which one you vote for, you still end up with a bunch of snotty nosed, lying, useless bastards.
- meez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You need a passport to leave the country right? How the hell do I get out of here if I don't want to succumb to these requirements?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I WILL NOT BE VOTING Tory, I am old enough to remember the last Tory government very well form start to finish, with all their arrogance and sleaze. Who do the Tories represent in any case? You just can't have a ghetto-wash and suddenly be all things to all people, the Tories are about Private Schools and the privileged classes, posh toffee nosed gits.
I can trust neither Labour or the Tories, I will be voting Lib Dem, the best thing that can happen is a hung Parliament, then at least we will have real democracy and debate in the house of commons rather than this stage managed Punch and Judy show and pony show we've got now. -
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