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No Passport For Britons Refusing Mass Surveillance
dailymail.co.uk — People who refuse to give up their bank records, tax records & details of any benefits they've claimed, and the records of their car movements for the last year, or refuse to submit to an interrogation on whether they are the same person that this mountain of data belongs to — will be denied passports from March 26th.
OneManArmy- 1005 diggs
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- animalmuther76, on 07/30/2008, -15/+177The UK and US are becoming what our grandparents fought to prevent in WWII. 1984 is comming true, just 23 years later
- zombo, on 10/12/2007, -185/+14My grandfathers didn't fight to prevent ID cards you dickwad. Nothing to hide nothing to fear.
- asif5th, on 10/12/2007, -8/+66It's for the protection of the people :| *major sarcasm*
- Cleanlyness, on 10/12/2007, -45/+18Only in fascist UK.
diGG for the attention! The world needs to see how horrible that place is. - ImTheDarkcyde, on 10/12/2007, -96/+11I side with zombo.
of course, digg democracy goes to work again, silencing any sort of "individual opinion"
I'm so glad the story has been on front page 6 minutes already and no one has posted that ridiculous ben franklin quote, which is already so far past obsolescence that I can't understand why it's worth the effort to pretentiously copypaste and not actually do any thinking of your own.
but hell, what do i know, i have a dissenting opinion! - vaguelyrandom, on 10/12/2007, -4/+94Zombo, zombo, zombo you poor fool. Why do you see having something to hide as a bad thing? I'm no criminal, i don't have something to hide because i'm going to get caught for doing something illegal. It is called privacy - you know, the reason the data protection act exists, patient doctor confidentiality, the reasons you have curtains on your windows...
- msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -13/+33I only have curtains so I don't get arrested for public indecency while I shower in my own home.
- TheSaladMan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+55"of course, digg democracy goes to work again, silencing any sort of "individual opinion""
He's not silenced, it's just the general consensus that you and him are wrong so you've been dugg down, anyone who wants to read an unpopular comment can. - TomP, on 10/12/2007, -7/+41I hate this UK govement!
- rmad1949, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalist_(American_Revolution)
- MAJORstrasser, on 10/12/2007, -6/+40God damn.... Where's V?
- Boeing777, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25back to the USSR. The UK and US have turned into the least attractive democracies of the western world.
After the ID card it'll be allowing police to randomly visit your home and inspect everything you own for your own protection. A revolution is due to stop these very same politicians who have driven the world to what it is today. Legal mafia under the the name of "labour party" or "republicans" should not longer be allowed to rule anywhere. - essjay, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20For those saying nothing to hide nothing to fear, what about the general consensus that your personal details, pretty much everything about you (possibly including your movements if the road pricing plans go ahead) get sold to companies, who can then target you with advertising. I don't have anything to hide but I fear my details being sold for a few quid. If this goes ahead I personally will challenge it through the European Court of Human Rights under unfair restrictions of movements. Bloody Blair took us into Europe, we might as well use it against him for once. And the same goes for road pricing. The government *don't need* to know that much about us.
- Xanin, on 10/12/2007, -17/+5seriously, why the does the bloody daily mail always get linked? everything they write has some right-wing agenda, they are a bunch of racists who want to close the borders and turn away all immigrants.
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just take what they say with a pinch of salt. - boybunny, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24Can we coin the term "Nazi England"?
How stupid of me to think that only exreme right wing politics bore the fruit of fascism. - BESTenemy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6"... what our grandparents fought to prevent in WWII"
You mean the industrial expansion of Germany and Japan through inhibition of links with oil producing colonies? Early 1900's, Royal Navy switching from Coal to refined oil for propulsion and all the events that followed. The Orient Express line designed to eventually link Berlin to Baghdad if Britain did not intervene.
Since when did anyone care for morals? Wars have always been about power, money, land, resources. We were in those wars over the same reasons as our oponents. We wanted to preserve our development while inhibiting the rest of the industrial world from becoming a new superpower.
We were told we had to defend freedoms and human rights. Well, those that paid for the wars and propaganda wouldn't care less, if there wasn't a buck to be made in the process. - geonlab, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10It makes me wonder if the period after the War in which personal freedom, and income gained more in fifty years than fifty centauries, is simply all over, run its course. Have the new global masters have gotten their act together? With IT shrinking the world to pocket size we are literally numbers and our very flesh is being manipulated for commercial gain.
- Tien, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2@majorstrasser
If you want freedom so badly fight for it yourself rather then bitching for others to do it. If all you can do is complain here then obviously you don't care very much. - Misesean, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Hey, "zombo", if you've got "nothing to hide, nothing to fear", why are you hiding behind the username "zombo"? Give your real name, street address, last year's income, and current bank balance, please.
- RealHyperX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Don't add the US in this one. We still have the right to bear arms - and that is still a good stop gap.
- 4UIDigg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I predict they'll be having problems with illegal emigration pretty soon.
- iainc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Is it fascism yet?
- animalmuther76, on 07/30/2008, -2/+2@BESTEnemy
no, evil nazi fascists. You come back with your smart comments when your in a concetration camp coz your not blonde with blue eyes - JulioJuliopolis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"We still have the right to bear arms"
Tell that to the citizens of New Orleans or the Branch Dividians.
- owap, on 10/12/2007, -8/+57If the Tories win the next election they plan to scrap the program immediately. Remains to be seen whether that is true or just another election promise.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -12/+20That's all the reason we need to vote Tory.
- trollmode, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26I'm American. Whats a Tory?
- pathy, on 10/12/2007, -20/+8Vote Lib Dems!
trollmode:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_%28UK%29 - drathosX3, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5Out of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, The Fat Guy (John Prescott), I would choose David Cameron...
- CarzorStelatis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26For those of you who know something about UK politics, let me put it this way:
This ID cards thing is enough to make a left-of-centre, pro-human rights act, pro-independence Scot vote for the ***** Tories at the next UK general election (unless Gordon Brown scraps it, which I doubt). Of course, there is a chance that Scotland will be an independent country (or on the way to becoming one) by then, so I might not have to face that problem. - Jabertsohn, on 10/12/2007, -24/+6Conservatives on digg? I am somewhat impressed!
Digg seems to be extremely liberal. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Yeah but Cameron seems to be backing off on the more distasteful Tory policies and is taking some sensible ones. I mean we are seeing the Conservatives pushing OSS in government FFS, when did that happen.
Right now the 'liberal' NL party have trampled on too many freedoms for my liking. - Jabertsohn, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3Well it is a truism that Tony Blair is actually a tory and David Cameron a liberal.
- rmad1949, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4trollmode
As far as American history goes... Tories were American [sic. British] colonists that sided with the British during the American Revolution (prior, during and after). - aliguana, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6if the Torys win the next election, they'll have us common folk branded, put in irons, and forced to scrub the decks of their luxury cruise-liners. Or let loose and chased with hounds and horses (since they can't hunt foxes anymore). No need for ID, they'll know exactly where we are at all times.
Seriously though, they won't reverse it, they don't want to be seen as "soft on crime and terrorism". Look at all the Tory stuff that Labour said they would reverse when they got into government.. like hell, they just added more to it. - 35263526, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Jabertsohn, the enemy of my enemy...
Cameron's Conservatives are far more libertarian than today's power-creep Labour. - DocGill, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I WILL NOT BE VOTING Tory, I am old enough to remember the last Tory government very well form start to finish, with all their arrogance and sleaze. Who do the Tories represent in any case? You just can't have a ghetto-wash and suddenly be all things to all people, the Tories are about Private Schools and the privileged classes, posh toffee nosed gits.
I can trust neither Labour or the Tories, I will be voting Lib Dem, the best thing that can happen is a hung Parliament, then at least we will have real democracy and debate in the house of commons rather than this stage managed Punch and Judy show and pony show we've got now. - Aliarse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Doesn't matter which one you vote for, you still end up with a bunch of snotty nosed, lying, useless bastards.
- Twoodge, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28Yet more Britons' tax money wasted on little more than an undemocratic government ploy designed for us to think we're safe on our insignificant isle.
- Nerfatron, on 10/12/2007, -4/+43[One concerned member of the public, Andrew Michael Edwards, asked what would happen to people who refuse to join the £5.4 billion scheme.
Mr Hall replied: "There is no need to register and have fingerprints taken - but you will forgo the ability to have a passport". ]
That just sums up the TOTAL arrogance of Blair's government. - Augie1969, on 10/12/2007, -7/+53Coming soon to the US.
- jgtg32a, on 10/12/2007, -12/+15No it won't the ACLU will actually do something useful if this were to pop up in the USA
- tenrec, on 10/12/2007, -21/+17Protecting pervs is a higher priority for the ACLU here in Virginia. Wonder why? The Virginia ACLU chapter President was arrested on child porn charges last month.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/23/AR2007022301792.html
Funny you will not hear about that on the major networks. - JonnyTrombone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@tenrec: The reason you don't -hear- about it on the "major networks" is because they relegate most news to the crawl at the bottom of the screen. I would point out that you found the story in a major newspaper- it isn't exactly buried news.
- KeyGargoil, on 10/12/2007, -23/+9i stopped reading when i saw it was the daily mail newspaper. a scaremongering right wing Blair hating Tory rag, give them 5-words of conversation and they can fill a page with their own comments
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Yes the Mail are nutjobs but in this case they happen to be right. It will be impossible to get a passport without registering for the ID card scheme.
- Maxeh, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9I couldn't name a day of the year where the daily mail hasn't tried to scare the british public into staying in their houses. If we leave, we'll either get MRSA or get mugged by the 'floods' of immigrants coming into the country.
Dugg as innacurate. (Because, it probably is.) - maxmccabe, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2yeah i was almost taking it seriously until i saw "daily mail"
- 7levels, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15and soon america will have RFID chips in every DL and passport. you wont be able to take a ***** without big brother knowing
- leoedin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7So? The UK already have RFID chips in all new passports.
- eatsushi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28The UK is such a petri dish of security for the US
- M.J.C., on 10/12/2007, -10/+14Remember, remember the 5th of November...
I say no more...- Frozo, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6Yeah, that was the date time travel was invented. Thank you Flux Capacitor!
- Frozo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You people have no sense of humour. :P
- Newlow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?
- digga, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Heinlein was right!
- bsmeteronhigh, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2I want to fight the giant insects! Star Troopers Rules as a great movie!
- JockTroll, on 10/12/2007, -13/+11Yes, I would like if any loserboy nerd here actually bothered to read the novel. Heinlein's future society guaranteed civil rights and liberties to everybody, except franchise which was reserved for citizens who had served.
Federal service meant you actually would put your money where your mouth is and DO something for your community instead of whining, sniveling, hiding behind keyboards and suggesting ridiculous and unrealistic courses of action.
Of course, perish the thought you geeks would actually ACT. No, you'll whine. You'll snivel. You'll make up useless online petitions. You will deride and laugh off anyone who won't do otherwise (i.e. behave like a coward) because the internet guarantees you the ability to do so without the risk of being beaten to a bloody pulp like you deserve.
So, keep on flailing your arms. Keep crying how Big Bad Government is taking away your "freedoms", while you would likely do worse (like imprisoning anyone who doesn't share your loserboy groupthink for instance). Talk is cheap, and nerds are worthless. - ImTheDarkcyde, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3sorry jocktroll, this damned laptop trackpad slipped when i was tapping it to digg you up. give yourself a +1, you deserve it.
- STKD, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Fine with me. I just won't travel.
Wait... does that mean I can get away with things now and they won't know it was me?
Mm. Loophole.- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7See by making it practically illegal to be in the country without a card, all those illegal immigrants will now be illegally in the country so will be moved on. Of course we will track them from the chip implanted in the....
Perhaps we should rethink this? - philbloke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It wont be practically illegal - it WILL be illegal:
"Every foreign national (including European Union nationals), resident in the UK for more than 3 months will need to obtain a card. Once the scheme starts, we will set a date after which new arrivals who intend to stay for more than three months will have to register."
http://www.identitycards.gov.uk/faqs-other-foreign-choice.asp - iainc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No. Next they'll be saying you can't use the roads without ID cards.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7See by making it practically illegal to be in the country without a card, all those illegal immigrants will now be illegally in the country so will be moved on. Of course we will track them from the chip implanted in the....
- reb42, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Who remembers "safe beneath the watchful eyes"
- Sinn3r, on 10/12/2007, -16/+4Look at how completely over exagerated OneManArmy's comments are. The are exagerations of a very sensationalist article as it is.
If your really concerned about ID cards the WORST thing you can do to grab the attention of middle of the road people is to insult their intelligence like that.
Marks and Spencer won't be able to just scan your bank details to see what you like to purchase on a whim. Potential employers will not be able to see what benefits your claiming that is all *****.
Its this over-hyped mass hysterical tone people take that really put me off giving a ***** about how they feel.
Stop acting like a conspiracy nutjob, these cards will nto give the government the power to do anything they can't already do if they spend enough money anyways. It will simply cut down administration times for illegal immigrants.
I suspect they will have a huge impact on the sale of alcohol and tobacco to children, aswell as providing a more valid form of ID which would not have to be backed up by previous statements or 2 letters to you home and a birth certificate when dealing with a bank.
If there are any REAL concerns about ID cards then tell me them. Just don't sensationalize unfounded claims.- vaguelyrandom, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12"these cards will not give the government the power to do anything they can't already do if they spend enough money anyways. It will simply cut down administration times for illegal immigrants."
So why do the rest of us need to have them? Why spend £10bn+ doing so? How exactly do you believe it will cut down admin time for illegal immigrants!? - CarzorStelatis, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9You utter halfwit. By definition illegal immigrants will not be documented on this database, therefore the Blairists (I'm not going to risk Godwin's with the F-word) won't be able to use the database to find illegal immigrants.
- Sinn3r, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2I think it would be obvious if people are unable to produce documents they will not be able to get legitimate work and police who have the power to ask for ID will be able to flag anyone not capable of producing their card. This is how it could combat ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
Look I'm not necessarily FOR these cards. It's just off the top of my head I can think of some possible benefits to them which I mentioned.
Can you (without referencing fictional sci-fi movies) please suggest to me potential drawbacks? Or possibly suggest another method for combat the problem we face in 21st century Britain? (I'll say it because your all thinking it... "Islam".) That doesn't involve genuinely invading privacy in the form of dawn raids e.t.c?
Seriously, just a couple of negative actual reasons would be a good start! - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Conspiracy theory?
Most of that stuff is written into the very legislation. Of course they will 'Never abuse it like that'. - vaguelyrandom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Well for a start, there will be a central db that stores all your personal data - including biometrics. That is one hell of a honeypot for people who wish to steal identities. Remember this will be accessible to nearly all government departments - and they employ a good chunk of the working population (in the region of 20%).
The main complaints from my aspects are not what is bad about it, but what is good. Having to show a card to a copper on request is easily done with a good fake. Is every policeman really going to carry around a device to allow them to remotely access the db wherever they go? That is also ignoring the fact that someone like me would be damn reluctant to prove who i am just for walking down the street in the land i live and pay taxes and have never committed a crime.
As for any idea of it helping against terrorism, both 7/7 and 21/7 were done (or attempted) by Brits who would have had cards. In Spain they had cards long before the Madrid bombings.
There is also the argument of being used for benefits, but for the majority, the only one they use much is the NHS, and the Hippocratic oath doesn't go well with checking someone has the right to use the service... To claim nearly any other benefit you already need to prove who you are and have an NI number.
So the question is not why not have them, but why and what will they actually offer, other than giving a lot of information away about ourselves, costing a fortune and risking exposing an awful lot of data? - Sinn3r, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2That's interesting and certainly more of that I was looking for thank you.
I'm not sure I understand your point about the "honey pot". Anyone working on a government database already has access to those exact same details anyway. We rely on the Data Protection Act to ensure it's not abused in it's current state.
It's certainly a good point that the 7/7 bombers would of had ID cards though I would argue if they did then tracking them would have maybe been easier?
(at least now an honest debate is possible without having to ignore miles of hysterical *****.)
- vaguelyrandom, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12"these cards will not give the government the power to do anything they can't already do if they spend enough money anyways. It will simply cut down administration times for illegal immigrants."
- GonadHunter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Im glad my new passport arrived friday morning
- digga, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Yes, but it won't last forever!!..... hahahahaha!
-- Tony. - GonadHunter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1310 years is long enough for me to move out of the country
- digga, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Yes, but it won't last forever!!..... hahahahaha!
- sjug, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25You wanted "protection"?
Cameras on every corner?
Now I bet 1984, V for Vendetta, or Children of Men doesn't look that far fetched any more.
Long live freedom.- Sinn3r, on 10/12/2007, -21/+4YES!!!! AS A MATTER OF FACT THEY DO!
A small piece of plastic with some digital technology in it does not spell the end of democracy for me! There is one hell of along way from ID cards to totalitarian dictatorships. Read my above comment!
None of you have any real detailed concerns about ID cards. It just seem's sexy to "fight the machine" forgoing any actual rational thought.
In any case, of all the oppressive regimes in the world you can think of, how many of them have these same bio-ID cards? So it would seem a government doesn't need ID cards to oppress it's people... strange, then maybe this really will combat immigration. - JonDee, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7@sinn3r,
Is that sarcasm, or are you retarded. - mc7winkie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6But Britain has been like this for a while. With their cameras everywhere what do you expect?
- Sinn3r, on 10/12/2007, -21/+4YES!!!! AS A MATTER OF FACT THEY DO!
- scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Where the hell did the poster get "by March 26th" from?
- CarzorStelatis, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2That's the date that the new passport interviews start.
- atb12688, on 10/12/2007, -14/+3This won't happen in the US. Only in the UK.
- JonDee, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Is that sarcasm, or are you retarded.
- kadio, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4@jondee
is that your response to everything? - thebeans, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1People seem to be paying with the idea of a National ID system all the time, there has also been talk of large scale personal data collection and storage. I think its very possible.
- sacherjj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@atb12688
So you haven't heard of Real ID, I take it?
- Ennoch, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5Daily Mail < newspaper.
- Gerbil, on 10/12/2007, -19/+3Oh my gawd! Our freedoms are eroding! Soon it will be forbidden to bring IEDs to the tube! What the world is coming to?...Oh dear...
- vaguelyrandom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Lol - i can see what you are trying to do there you little rodent you. Very good - linking ID cards with the idea that it will stop terrorism. I'm sure our Spanish friends agree with you whole heartedly.
- steelmaverick, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1There's terrorism in Spain? Over what, soccer games?
- vaguelyrandom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Lol - i can see what you are trying to do there you little rodent you. Very good - linking ID cards with the idea that it will stop terrorism. I'm sure our Spanish friends agree with you whole heartedly.
- bsmeteronhigh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17The mad desire to go completely off the grid grows every single day.
- powatom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5We can team up!
- jferrari, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Hopefully next time I use my passport it will be one way out of here.
- Septimus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Completely agree.
Though is there anywhere left on this stinking planet that humanity hasn't made suck?
Antarctic? - selrahc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I think nature made the Antarctic a pretty miserable place to live though...
- Septimus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Completely agree.
- brassnads, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26Privacy is NOT a crime...
- ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Everytime i see things like this i think of that old WW2 quote
...."but i wasnt a jew so i didnt do anything..."
let that water boil- steelmaverick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ganjadude4391
No its:
And them they came for the (insert name of people here). And I did not speak out, because I am not a (name).
- steelmaverick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ganjadude4391
- tr1290, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Police State. Coming to an America near you. Real ID will be amended into this in 5-10 years.
- Sinn3r, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1More and more claims that don't mean anything.... See what I mean!?
I have no idea what to think about these cards... but that ***** above or this article won't help. - speccy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Another reason why I'm voting for Cameron next time (subject to them actually pledging it in their manifesto).
- NickSimms, on 10/12/2007, -13/+4I think this is a great idea so i am waiting till then to apply for my new passport
its about time we cracked down on immigration and those who abuse the system- Sinn3r, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1Exactly, Benefit fraud is a huuuuuuuuuuge problem in the UK, The governments money is our money.
- siszam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13How does monitoring legal citizens help crack down on illegals? It doesn't. You're naive.
- JSB84, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Well this is from the Daily Faschist after all ... probably just one of their typical scare stories
- Flamingmoth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I suspected measures such as this would soon come into play. Citizens become prisoners of sorts in their homeland. Not willing to give up your data -- you will only travel within your own country. Canada will do the same if pressed by the US of A. Control the masses.
- centerblack, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Hey where are all those idiots from the REAL ID thread now? lol.
- mojibyrd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Again for you sheeple out there this is all about a loss of your freedoms and liberties, pure and simple...be very afraid, very very afraid as it is getting worse before better as too many are sitting idle wilst this occurs.
- meez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You need a passport to leave the country right? How the hell do I get out of here if I don't want to succumb to these requirements?
- philbloke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You will not have the choice not to succumb:
"Yes, it will eventually be compulsory to have an ID card "
http://www.identitycards.gov.uk/faqs-topten-compulsory-have.asp
- philbloke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You will not have the choice not to succumb:
- unsolicited, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1What is the difference between privacy and secrecy?
- Bonzodog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7So what happens with us ex-pats who want to renew our UK passports?
We currently get our British Passports from the UK Consulate, and They will not be able to force an ID scheme on UK Citizens not resident in the UK as I can see it, as they wouldn't be allowed to have things like Bank info and personal movements etc, due to International restrictions. If they were to do this with Uk citizens outside the UK, and the host country was to refuse a huge Diplomatic Incident could arise (And I happen to live in one of the countries that has been responsible for blowing up the British Army once or twice. IN the UK. Yes, Ireland). - undercoverhippo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2You don't need a passport to travel within the EU if you're a citizen of an EU country.
- philbloke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Some one ought to tell the Home Office then. First paragaph
"Although the United Kingdom is part of the European Union (EU), you still need to carry a full British 10-year passport (or five-year child passport if you are under 16 and not on a parent’s passport) every time you travel to Europe. This includes day trips and travel by Eurostar.
Many countries no longer check passports at their land borders, but they still expect visitors to be able to produce a valid form of identification. For UK travellers this is the British passport. Remember, your passport will have to be checked at immigration control when you return to the UK. "
http://www.passport.gov.uk/general_travel_europe.asp
- philbloke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Some one ought to tell the Home Office then. First paragaph
- heppelitis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Airstrip 1, here we come.
- powatom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I'm a little skeptical since this is from the DM, but I still really, really ***** hate the idea of these ID cards. Nobody is going to ***** stop me taking a holiday if I feel like it, or even leaving the country for any purpose. I absolutely will not be 'opting in' to this stupid scheme. I don't even care if it WILL stop all crime, I just point blank refuse to be monitored by the government when I've done nothing wrong. This argument: "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" is a ***** disgrace.
- SkyGarden, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2*****
- loganhid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6British law is an ass
- macguy815, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6And I thought we had it bad in the US...
- Stonekeeper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4See ya. I'm off.
- AshUK, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5And this is *exactly* why I'm planning on moving to another country in the EU that doesn't want to control my every move as soon as possible.
- SkyGarden, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1lol um, you'll have to leave the EU entirely. Also if an economic bloc called NAFTA emerges, don't move there either, thats what globalists want the USA, Canada, and Mexico to become, a cheap anus for those ***** to slide their corporate ***** into.
- JulioJuliopolis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Can you name any that probably won't be doing that in 15 years?
- GeorgeStone, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
Daily mail!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHH
Its like listening to CNN. - artificial001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1if the government actually cared they'd cut their defensing spending from over 50%, give a lot more money to education, and reform education nation wide to methods that make kids actually want to learn, because God knows they don't.
- gmerin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1but the gov' already has all this info; why do they want us to give them something they already have. they've never required our permission to invade our privacy before.
- SkyGarden, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0getting this information w/o your permission is one thing, becayse before the patriot act in the USA, wiretaps were still done in secret. getting you to be complicit for someone to rob your privacy is quite another large leap, its the dictator's way of saying "look what i can get you to LET ME do!"
- mhummel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"This was the charter, the charter of the land,
And guardian angels sang this strain:
Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves
Britons never will be slaves"
"Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame.
All their attempts to bend thee down
Will but arouse thy generous flame;
But work their woe and thy renown.
Rule Britannia! Britannia rule the waves:
Britons never will be slaves!"
- geonlab, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Most in the UK walk about stuffed with ID and tracking devices anyway, the moral objections are history book, its here with us already.
- mickhead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Leaving the UK as soon as possible. My passport is valid for another 6 years, should be long enough to get the hell out of here.
- SkyGarden, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Not good, absolutely not good. Robotic population monitoring, ugh, makes me wanna puke.
Isn't the UK and USA all in the territory of Oceania in 1984? We're both under the effects of the same source, eminating from who provides those governments' money printing. People who know about the federal reserve in the USA have said that if the USA was cut off from these federal reserve lending banks, their laws would be of their own.
follow this into your browser if you feel you have time, this is EXACTLY whats corroding the human world into the atrocity it still becoming:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3891535120990840079&q=who+controls+the+world&hl=en - cheekdog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2wow. this is double plus ungood.
- eam52guy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3The digg population, in its slightly-above-youtube-commentors wisdom, seems to cherish the idea that the UK 'has cameras on every street corner'. This is only a small exaggeration if you live in central London. In most of the rest of the country however, it's total and complete fiction.
The other idea seems to be that where there are these cameras, they're all controlled by a big central Big Brother type outfit. Most of them are just the CCTV that pubs and clubs have in city centres or wharehouses have on industrial estates- in other words they're private.
The internet does wierd things to people.- warder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5You clearly haven't traveled around the UK recently. I have the advantage of now living outside the UK and so when I visit, I notice the changes much more.
The UK has more cameras per person than any other nation in the world. Even my parents little village has them to 'improve safety'. Do they do anything? No. A bobbie would be a much better solution.
People appear to be happy to hand over personal information without the realization that once the government has full biometrics information, that you can't even take a leak without them knowing who you are.
Information = control.
All vehicles travelling on motorways and into and out of towns are now tracked. Your email is recorded. Internet browsing habits known. Your mobile phone location. Speed cameras control you.
If you think I'm paranoid and joking, you just don't realise or want to believe the extent to which your privacy is being violated already.
- warder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5You clearly haven't traveled around the UK recently. I have the advantage of now living outside the UK and so when I visit, I notice the changes much more.
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