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Next Anonymous Protest .... JUNE 14 watch!
youtube.com — One is a series of latest ANON releases: To the Leaders of Scientology and the General Public: We are Anonymous. We support the right of all people to worship freely, to read and write freely, to think, speak and assemble...
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- Columbianay, on 05/21/2008, -17/+292I'm really happy that there are people taking the streets for a noble cause.
Usually I just sit at home and bitch about it, but I'm happy others act out on how I feel.- carlnewton, on 05/21/2008, -0/+18I haven't got speakers at work so I can't listen to the message in video. Am I wrong in thinking that it's the Anonymous member who was recently arrested that has sparked this? If that's what this is about it'd be awesome to see everyone there holding a "Scientology is a cult" sign. It'd be a damn beautiful message.
- duke, on 05/21/2008, -0/+13It's written in text if you click "more info".
- wirah, on 05/21/2008, -0/+22Not really. Protests are always going to be planned each month.
EpicNoseGuy getting v& for his cult sign has sparked a lot of media attention though, and we'll be supporting him until he is clear (no pun intended) - chanop, on 05/21/2008, -13/+3Can someone please explain to me why this is a noble cause? There are much better things to protest than these fruit-loops........
- chanop, on 05/21/2008, -2/+3Of course, I just get burried without my question being answered......
- sleepwalkers, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2www.exscientologykids.org
- chanop, on 05/21/2008, -2/+2I don't see you guys protesting the evangelical sects
- haiduz, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Just because there are more worthy causes out there doesnt mean its not a worthy cause.
Thats like saying why bother researching a cure for diabetes when you can research a cure for cancer. Then why both researching cancer treatment when you can research cure for aids. Why bother researching cure for aids when you can work towards world peace... etc etc etc
This is a great cause and thinking like why bother there are more important things to worry about allows scientology to continue to operate and cause great harm on the lives on their members:
see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GOqjQZ5ItY
- tommq, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4If you allow one tyrant free, you set the precedent to allow all tyrants free. There is no cause that is not noble if it is in pursuit of freedom.
- chanop, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1Isn't it voluntary to join? Yeah, kids might be forced to go through it. They're also forced to go to Catholic churches also.
- burketo, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4that a cult is voluntary to join does not mean it is not dangerous.
A man with no money is free to be catholic if he chooses and to go to mass and to seek guidance from a priest. This is true of all religion. This is not true of scientology.
No religious institute will lie to you about what their beliefs are. scientologists will, or if they don't it is because they do not fully know what their beliefs are.
No religion should be above the law. Scientology - it seems - is.
Everyone in the free world is allowed to protest what they choose. The Church of scientology continually tries to impinge on this freedom through machiavellian and illegal means.
Other churches that break these principles are wrong and dangerous, but it is simply not possible to protest a wide range of institutes. Anonymous finds scientology to be particularly active in these regards and so protests.
If you disagree with Anonymous' opinions, so be it. but it is perfectly clear what they are.
- chanop, on 05/21/2008, -2/+3Of course, I just get burried without my question being answered......
- dlearyus00, on 05/21/2008, -0/+11Anonymous, i am a big fan of your poetry.
- Jookly, on 05/21/2008, -14/+4Its not noble at all and they are the biggest "group" of hypocrites in recent time.
they say Scientology is guilty of "stalking, harassment, and defamation.". That is laughable.
Being anonymous is cowardly and not standing for anything is weak. ***** Anonymous and digg me down just to further the hypocrisy of them wanting "free speech"- SpencerMc, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1Digging you down in no way takes away your right to speak freely. It merely attaches a caveat to it, that all who read it know that the majority of people that have read it found your comment to not be thought out, contain factual errors, or simply disagree with it.
Even if digging you down did somehow prevent others from seeing your post, you miss the point that the first amendment prohibits the government from silencing you, not private citizens, who can do what they like in their own forum. - mysedai, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1We don't bury you to impinge upon your right to freedom of speech. We bury you to demonstrate our belief that your comment is completely insane.
- SpencerMc, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1Digging you down in no way takes away your right to speak freely. It merely attaches a caveat to it, that all who read it know that the majority of people that have read it found your comment to not be thought out, contain factual errors, or simply disagree with it.
- Forgotso, on 05/21/2008, -2/+10Noble cause? I'd be more impressed with the american spirit if people were this upset about the Iraq war and not some silly cult *****.
- TheImaginator, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4I would be more impressed if they found the root of the problems.
Why would the USA go empire building and secure a rapidly diminishing resource in the middle east and in Alaska?
Why would every country on the planet be selling arms to Africa so that people can kill each other instead of developing and investing in their infrastructure?
The Africans I've met are hard working intelligent people, why are they continuing to fight each other and get into debt buying guns from other countries?
Why are we in the UK signing up to and demanding more surveillance and monitoring of every aspect of our lives and then stating our freedoms are being eroded and restricted?
Why is the City of London and our government allowing Scientology to infiltrate, bribe and corrupt and then hire the City of London Police as their own personal religious zealot guard?
Why hasn't the government kicked the Scientologists out yet? All of them?
There is a common ground behind all of these problems and I have no idea what it is, but something is connecting them all.
I could just point at money, or point at control of finite resources which gives power (control) over the future for a given culture or way of life - but what way of life?
What are those in power planning to do 'for' us?
- TheImaginator, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4I would be more impressed if they found the root of the problems.
- Killwize, on 05/21/2008, -7/+1"We are Anonymous. We support the right of all people to worship freely..."
Biggest bunch of hypocrites I have ever seen!- evan119, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2"We are Anonymous. We support the right of all people to worship FREEly..."
>Fix'd- DeadPanDan, on 05/21/2008, -1/+2People can pay for their religious worship. Demanding that they don't is oppressive. They just can't expect tax exemption for the church if they do. The Church of Scientology demands payment for religious status. Not in support-the-church way, but in a achieve-the-next-level-of-divinity way. Some say it's all the same, but the tax code doesn't.
- evan119, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2"We are Anonymous. We support the right of all people to worship FREEly..."
- carlnewton, on 05/21/2008, -0/+18I haven't got speakers at work so I can't listen to the message in video. Am I wrong in thinking that it's the Anonymous member who was recently arrested that has sparked this? If that's what this is about it'd be awesome to see everyone there holding a "Scientology is a cult" sign. It'd be a damn beautiful message.
- punx, on 05/21/2008, -14/+77I can never find anyone here in Vegas to go with. Not much of a protest with one person.
- punx, on 05/21/2008, -3/+18So is there NO ONE who will go with me to protest?
- jmoo1, on 05/21/2008, -0/+9I'm from Australia , but I'm going to Vegas baby, Vegas! on the 3rd and 4th of July. I'm in! Just don't make me double down on 11
Edit: I think I may have overplayed the swingers reference... - kainlansing, on 05/21/2008, -1/+9I'm in Vegas. If you set it up, then I'll show up. Can I suggest holding the protest in the shade? Protesting in 100+ degrees without shade can be a crowd killer.
- KingVegas702, on 05/21/2008, -1/+8iM iN vEGAS toooo!!!!!!!!!!!!
- nvillalobos, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2I feel a Captain Planet moment coming on.
- jmoo1, on 05/21/2008, -0/+9I'm from Australia , but I'm going to Vegas baby, Vegas! on the 3rd and 4th of July. I'm in! Just don't make me double down on 11
- omenmedia, on 05/21/2008, -1/+36Oh come on, just think... you could be Vegas Fail Guy!
- lasVegas702, on 05/21/2008, -0/+14I'm in vegas too and i feel the same way about these protests. I'd love to go to one but I never hear anyone talking about it.
- GeorgeStone2, on 05/21/2008, -0/+10New Zealand made do!
And look how their protest turned out :P
http://digg.com/world_news/New_Zealand_Scientology ... - Lazydriver, on 05/21/2008, -1/+9VegasAnon ftw!
I'd go, but I'm underage D:
There's people that do it, here's the forums:
www.le-voile.com/fora - quakersquares, on 05/21/2008, -1/+6lets go punx, im all over it
- punx, on 05/21/2008, -1/+7Ok very cool, at least I won't be alone. So anyone who wants to go, send me a shout with your email address. My shouts are completely private, so no one else can see them. Otherwise, 8am, Church of Scientology - 846 E. Sahara Ave. I know it's early, but at least we won't fry in the sun at that time.
- KingVegas702, on 05/21/2008, -1/+4im here!!!!!!! UNITE!!!!
- thezanman, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5Same here, I am also in Vegas and any sort fo An0n/tech crowd always seems to be lacking in a big way. PM me and lets do this!
- mreilly777, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3Another Vegas head who's down for the cause here.
- wmcook, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3i'll be vacationing in Vegas on the 14th. Maybe i can stop by for the event ;)
- omgbanana, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Sounds like the guy with Ron Paul signs who is occasionally on the side of the road here at App.
- punx, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Ok, it was 108 here yesterday. So we can expect at least 115 by June 14th. So like I said, 8 am would be a good time. I'm glad there are other people up for this. Bring your signs and masks, see you all there!
- sissipher, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1I am down but I will be out of town that day, like waaaaay out of town in Detroit. Plus, 8am on a Saturday I am usually hung over or just getting to bed. It is Vegas after all.
- punx, on 05/21/2008, -3/+18So is there NO ONE who will go with me to protest?
- no12u, on 05/21/2008, -12/+104A well worded announcement. Peaceful Protest = End Of Cult
- Kral, on 05/21/2008, -18/+1What have peaceful protests ever put an end to? They just make people feel good about accomplishing nothing.
- jayson040, on 05/21/2008, -1/+14Vietnam?
- Kral, on 05/21/2008, -7/+1Throwing animal blood at soldiers as you scream "baby killer" wasn't exactly a peaceful protest.
- duke, on 05/21/2008, -0/+12Segregation? All Rosa Parks did was to sit on a bus. The marches in Selma were peaceful, as was the march on Washington. The little girl who walked past George Wallace to walk into the white school was peaceful. MLK focused on nonviolence. There wasn't any one nonviolent protest that made a change by itself, but the combination of several. It's not a boolean operation, ya know.
- no12u, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1dugg for boolean... and the truth of course.
- PrintScrn12, on 05/21/2008, -0/+7I know personally of a protest that led to better pay, for blocking council developments and for lobbying politicians, the last being very popular. However you only have to delve in to history to take some perhaps grander examples such as many of the protest during of the March on Washington of the US Civil Rights movement or Ghandi's resistance.
Of course different protests work with different mechanism. Protest against a government in a democratic country and you might be threatening a bad vote come election. Protest against ones company via strike you might be threatening economic hardship. In the Anonymous case much of the protest seems to be centered around creating bad publicity, allowing critical speech via media or ex-scieno and attacking various special statuses given by the government such as tax benefits, subsidies, endorsement, etc and giving a light to those inside. It seems to be fairly successful on those fronts.
But of course protest by itself is not the be all and end all. There are other forms of activism that take place such as releasing otherwise secret information, speaking to your friends, writing to government/human-rights authorities, setting up ex-scientologist services, writing or publishing media, etc. - StrangeFamous, on 05/21/2008, -0/+6Ever heard of Gandhi?
- jrackow, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3Ever heard of Dr. Martin Luther King. Rosa Parks? Civil Rights in America? They actually work better than any other kind of protest. And no, I'm not black. Just saying. Also, the Christian religion grew a lot as people were dying for their faith. Ghandi as "StrangeFamous" mentioned is a great example.
- jayson040, on 05/21/2008, -1/+14Vietnam?
- NoMercy, on 05/21/2008, -1/+8dont say cult..u might get thrown in jail
- BlackPawn, on 05/21/2008, -1/+3If only that were always the case. In most cases, peaceful protests solve nearly nothing. However, if there is enough support, and if the Peaceful Protest is done correctly then it can end a cult, stop a war, almost anything... what is 'enough' and how to do it 'correctly' is beyond me, but some people seem to find ways. It's a strategy, a non-violent tactic... if not executed correctly it fails. I hope this one succeeds.
- Kral, on 05/21/2008, -18/+1What have peaceful protests ever put an end to? They just make people feel good about accomplishing nothing.
- r4ge, on 05/21/2008, -105/+22Anonymous has had its 15 seconds, plz die now.
- wirah, on 05/21/2008, -5/+7gb2habbo
- senorcool, on 05/21/2008, -4/+6no u
- uhhNo, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2scifag
- Allibaster, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1I agree! This bandwagon is ridiculous. Digg seems to get like this sometimes.
- tarazz, on 05/21/2008, -13/+68There is no Churches of Scientology around my area!!!!! what the hell am i going to do?
- zero, on 05/21/2008, -11/+17Go hand out fliers at your local shopping center or wherever lots of people are.
- no12u, on 05/21/2008, -5/+23What are you to do?...Consider yourself lucky. Oh yeah, and go hand out fliers! Point your friends and loved ones to Enturbulation.com and exscientologykids.com or XenuTV.com Get the word out as every little bit helps, honestly.
- diskit, on 05/21/2008, -3/+20Commute
- apophenic, on 05/21/2008, -4/+14Something better with your time!
- sockpuppets, on 05/21/2008, -0/+51Start one then protest yourself.
- no12u, on 05/21/2008, -0/+6Never protest alone, by the way...
- hmunkey, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Yeah, that could become awkward.
- no12u, on 05/21/2008, -0/+6Never protest alone, by the way...
- Zippo, on 05/21/2008, -0/+21Rejoice.
- rugabug, on 05/21/2008, -2/+10Become an Hero...?
- hmunkey, on 05/22/2008, -1/+2a*
- rugabug, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1You obviously don't go to 4chan much.
- smhTheory, on 05/21/2008, -2/+4Roadtrip!!!
- bdbthinker, on 05/21/2008, -2/+15do a barrel roll
- kamisama, on 05/21/2008, -1/+8Kiss you both hands for living in an area where sane people are clearly still in the majority.
- Midtowner, on 05/21/2008, -1/+7Is there a NarcAnon?
- SergeantScar, on 05/21/2008, -1/+4Yes, Commute! I know there are people that drive 400 miles for protests up in this neck of the woods!
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5Does the Westboro Baptist Church ever show up in your town?
http://digg.com/world_news/Westboro_Baptist_Church ... - ssn697, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3"In 1913, settling in the city of Kalispell, Montana, L. Ron Hubbard first encounters the Blackfoot Indians at a tribal dance on the outskirts of town. The Indians are much taken with young Ron’s inquisitiveness and the beginnings of a bond are established.
From Kalispell, L. Ron Hubbard moves to Montana’s capital at Helena, where during the summer months he usually resides at the family ranch"
***** ***** *****!!!!
The good side is I can't find any branches in Montana. Looks like he wore out his welcome! - jerger23, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3Start one of your own? Let me know where you live and I'll come audit you for the low cost of $500k (+ travel expenses).
Small price to pay for your freedom from your anguish.
Xenu wil rise again and we must be prepared! - djcreamy, on 05/21/2008, -1/+4Have a coke.
- gypsi, on 05/21/2008, -55/+15is scientology really the worst thing going on in the world? i mean, if it's the costumes, you don't need a cause for an excuse to run around in them. put on the guy fawkes getup and volunteer at the red cross or something.
- PrintScrn12, on 05/21/2008, -5/+13A greater evil does not mean you people should be paralysed in acting against a smaller evil. For example you can work for the local red cross even if there is a greater need elsewhere. And there always is a greater need. Of course this assumes that such action is mutually exclusive. One can be a red cross volunteer and protest for a given grievance.
It also assumes that Anonymous is your personal army. They can have their own drives, motivations and abilities which has led them to this activism, that you yourself can't replace, just like any other activists. You wouldn't go to a protest and claim "There is a greater unrelated evil to be redressed. So drop everything.", then expect a positive response.- gypsi, on 05/21/2008, -2/+1cute speech, but it's meaningless. this is as much a fad as lindsay lohan or any will smith movie
- PrintScrn12, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1Anti-Church of Scientology activism has been around for decades. I don't know of too many fads that last decades. Even the Anonymous action is going on to half a year starting in January, despite people predicting it's failure in every month since February. People calling it a fad that'll flop February, March, April and May yet being proven wrong. I wouldn't be too hasty if I were you.
- gypsi, on 05/21/2008, -2/+1cute speech, but it's meaningless. this is as much a fad as lindsay lohan or any will smith movie
- legendxx, on 05/21/2008, -11/+5Consider these protests to be a sort-of roving V for Vendetta convention.. nerds dress up and act out the movie and pretend they're doing it for something worthy. Seriously.. protest all you want.. but are people really going to take you seriously dressed up as a character from a semi-poor movie?
- starblink, on 05/21/2008, -3/+7They dress that way so the Cult of Scientology can't Fair Game people, google that term.
- KlogereEndGrim, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Read and learn: http://xenu.nu/wiki/index.php/The_answer
- PrintScrn12, on 05/21/2008, -5/+13A greater evil does not mean you people should be paralysed in acting against a smaller evil. For example you can work for the local red cross even if there is a greater need elsewhere. And there always is a greater need. Of course this assumes that such action is mutually exclusive. One can be a red cross volunteer and protest for a given grievance.
- JerryAscione, on 05/21/2008, -15/+17best spoof of Scientology:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsz4kVhldMM- alx1507, on 05/21/2008, -3/+19No. Scientology is its own best spoof.
- Berkana, on 05/21/2008, -1/+6How about this:
The Movementarians!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeE26w6BMRg- Matthews255, on 05/21/2008, -1/+4The day I put on BBC News and I see that, is the day I leave this part of the world!
- deanoplex, on 05/21/2008, -1/+3That is the most concise (30 sec.) parody of the danger of Scientology that I have ever seen!
- speedbmp, on 05/21/2008, -1/+2This one is a bit better :)
watch the whole video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWbRDdlvH8g
- chkdg8, on 05/21/2008, -12/+32Give 'em Hell!
- Balks, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3I'd give em hell, but I'll be too busy at basic training. Training to defend your right to protest, so in a way, I am supporting this protest inadvertently. Go me!
- Hoshi101, on 05/21/2008, -11/+29Lets give them our salute to their floating death ship of blue asbestos. It's funny how they knew it was in there, yet continued to subject thousands and thousands to this ultra-dangerous blue asbestos for decades.
- Sneakernets, on 05/21/2008, -0/+10http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/1054 ...
*****, you're right. :v - giantdouche, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Even funnier: TOM CRUISE LOVED TO VACATION ON THAT STUPID BOAT.
- Sneakernets, on 05/21/2008, -0/+10http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/1054 ...
- ienjoythebeach, on 05/21/2008, -13/+29Thats my Birthday!
- Willis3D, on 05/21/2008, -0/+11Me too. I hope some gets me the end of Scientology... that or booze... or both. I'm flexible.
- torressr3, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4And the last protest was on my birthday. :D
Cool present isn't it?
- torressr3, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4And the last protest was on my birthday. :D
- toliseju, on 05/21/2008, -0/+6Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday to ienjoythebeach (cool username!)
Happy birthday to you!
In advance :P - evan119, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3i'm willing to bet there will be cake for you there
- 1337chic, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1The cake is a lie.
- Willis3D, on 05/21/2008, -0/+11Me too. I hope some gets me the end of Scientology... that or booze... or both. I'm flexible.
- LordofChaosIori, on 05/21/2008, -61/+12I know I'm probably going to get buried into oblivion, but like it or not Scientology falls into the 1st amendment. Lets say Anon DOES win and Scientology goes down, then more and more people are going to start protesting against other religions. "Who cares? That's a good thing!" You might say. Yeah okay lets say that the world would be much better off without many of these religions... but then after taking religion from people, what comes next? Because, religion, if anything, exemplifies people's beliefs better than anything, You take away religion, you take away people's beliefs, and why did you take them away? Because you didn't agree with them. Of course, I'm not saying Scientology is right in ANY way, having have done many wrong things to people, but all of these people went into it willingly, no one forced them to join. I just think this is going to lead somewhere we're going to regret later on.
- Hoshi101, on 05/21/2008, -7/+50You need to learn why we protest. We don't CARE what they believe...it's about the fact that Scientology KILLS and EXPLOITS adults and children.
- no12u, on 05/21/2008, -2/+8You are correct, sir! Now get ye an eye patch and join the Sea Arrrgh!
- no12u, on 05/21/2008, -8/+7Lurk Moar
- PrintScrn12, on 05/21/2008, -2/+17The protests are not against the religion but rather against the organisation. Freezoners, people who believe in Scientology yet are not part of the Church of Scientology, haven't drawn any ire. In fact some have participated in the protests themselves.
I'm not sure how first amendment applys for the US orgs. The anti-COS activism hasn't been protesting for stopping free speech or otherwise censorship. In fact they have been protesting the reverse. - acetv, on 05/21/2008, -2/+9Is it just me, or is the first post in this thread incoherent? Does "Because, religion, if anything, exemplifies people's beliefs better than anything" make sense to anyone?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.- AlekNovi, on 05/21/2008, -0/+11Makes perfect sense to me.
Basically, freedom means the freedom to choose your own beliefs. And the poster was saying how "religion" is the best example of the freedom to choose your beliefs.
It's ironic that religions (or cults) are the best at restricting people from having other beliefs (outside of that religion). But at the same time, the best symptom of a free society is where people are free to choose their religious belief (or lack there of)
But you don't fight one evil with another. You don't win freedom, by banning people from choosing stupid beliefs (like scientology).
There is a point to be drawn from all this, and that is that it needs to be made clearer what the protests are about. It needs to be made clear that the protests are against scientology's *practices* on people outside it's group, illegal and immoral recruiting tactics, censorship, etc...
No matter how stupid a set of beliefs (like scientology), if you try to prevent people from choosing a set of beliefs, you're no better than a nazi.
And... this is not what anonymous does. Anonymous isn't trying to ban the set of beliefs. It's just trying to ban the practices. But it needs to be made clearer.
In a free society:
- You should be allowed to believe things no matter how stupid they are (as long as it's only in your head)
- You should NOT be allowed to try to impose these beliefs on others by forceful and dishonest means, or hurt others in following these beliefs (like scientology does)- ArielMT, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4This is one of the best-written explanations that I have ever read on Digg of what the injustices being protested actually are.
- LordofChaosIori, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4I agree with you %100, thanks for the explanation.
- AlekNovi, on 05/21/2008, -0/+11Makes perfect sense to me.
- ArielMT, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4Maybe they weren't outright forced into joining, but many were dishonestly coerced into joining, and they're all prohibited from leaving under penalty of losing everything they hold dear. The center of Scientology's ethical code, according to their public actions, is that the end always justifies the means, regardless of how illegal or immoral the means are alone. Catholicism's historic Dark-Ages practices of persecution and excommunication don't hold a candle to the Church of Scientology's modern practices of Fair Game (regardless of what the practice is called now) and disconnection.
Anonymous wants you to know the truth of what you're getting yourself into by joining Scientology. Anonymous doesn't want to interfere with your right to believe and practice the religion of your choice and to associate yourself with those who share your beliefs. Anonymous doesn't persecute those who name their faith Scientology. Anonymous simply wants you to know what the Church of Scientology doesn't want you to know before you join. - plaing, on 05/21/2008, -1/+2i agree, the militancy of the anti-cos stuff kind of makes me uncomfortable. slippery slopes and all that.
but, to paraphrase the immortal mike tyson, i will join you in being dugg down into bolivian. - educatedrodent, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2These aren't religious debates.
This is a matter of basic human dignity and rights that are being trampled behind the shield of 'religion.'
They can believe what they want. Everyone else in the world shouldn't have to pay the financial, social, and emotional costs inflicted when their beliefs lead them to subvert the laws of every country the organization expands to.
They hurt a lot more than themselves and their children. If they were only hurting their members, there would still be reason to protest. When they are also hurting the people around them, protesting them is a matter of basic self defense.
- Hoshi101, on 05/21/2008, -7/+50You need to learn why we protest. We don't CARE what they believe...it's about the fact that Scientology KILLS and EXPLOITS adults and children.
- AManWithNoName, on 05/21/2008, -10/+54I wish there was a scientology base near me so that I could go there and complain about how I wish they weren't so near me.
- sockpuppets, on 05/21/2008, -1/+20I wish there was a money tree in my yard with a drunk leprechaun guarding it while my hot girlfriend made me bacon in the kitchen.
- arcticblue, on 05/21/2008, -1/+7Dude, they sell those at Home Depot. Seriously, go check.
- georgebnet, on 05/21/2008, -1/+6I just came back from Home Depot. They started laughing when I asked them where's the "girlfriends" section. Thank you very much!
- CalvinLawson, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5You called it base, not church. Awesome.
All you base, are belongs to Anon.
- sockpuppets, on 05/21/2008, -1/+20I wish there was a money tree in my yard with a drunk leprechaun guarding it while my hot girlfriend made me bacon in the kitchen.
- WHEELERJONI, on 05/21/2008, -15/+136Are there Scientologists on Digg?
Every time a piece about Anon or Co$ pops up, there's always a bunch of relatively new users, or no avatar users that hurry to dismiss the article, or point out that Scientology is not the biggest enemy or whatever, just to try and shift the public interest elsewhere.
I'm not looking for conspiracies, just pointing out similarities with Youtube for instance, where the above is a well known issue.
So basically yeah, there are plenty more evils in the world, but every activist group focuses usually just on one of them.
This one is for Scientology. Suck it up.- Roryking, on 05/21/2008, -52/+4well, I'm not a scientologist, but I'll bury this crap in order to kill the cancer that has been killing the 'chans
seriously people, take it to gaia online or something- wirah, on 05/21/2008, -1/+12basement is that-a-way ---->
- Maver1c, on 05/21/2008, -0/+10if you care that much about 4chan and 7chan and any other chans out there that much, you need to seriously consider taking a hard look at your life.
- legendxx, on 05/21/2008, -2/+20I've been a user since late 05 and I don't have an avatar, friends, or any of that other social networking ***** that digg decided to thurst upon us. I'll totally listen to your argument but get some data about the users who are burying these types of articles. When they joined, what else they digg/comment/bury etc.
- nephilimx, on 05/21/2008, -8/+2Why must you be Scientologist to bury a anti scientology digg story? "this is lame" bury option could be used by someone who thinks its lame on digg.com
- NJPENSO, on 05/21/2008, -15/+2Some of us believe that "Anonymous" is a group of idiots with masks
Get a better plan, Scientology isn't affected in the least by this, you're only helping their cult become more of a religion.
And for ***** sake lose the ***** masks. - KlogereEndGrim, on 05/21/2008, -7/+1You guise are so constructive, you are on your way to change the world with your critisism, what would we do without your negative blahblah?
- Roryking, on 05/21/2008, -52/+4well, I'm not a scientologist, but I'll bury this crap in order to kill the cancer that has been killing the 'chans
- mark076h, on 05/21/2008, -9/+171SCIENTOLOGY IS A CULT!
- xodex, on 05/21/2008, -22/+16Along with every other religion, Just bigger.
- Maver1c, on 05/21/2008, -0/+9So you are saying that Scientology is bigger than every other religion?
- georgebnet, on 05/21/2008, -1/+5Sure they are. They're trying to catch up, they're about 2000 years behind Christianity. So many crimes, so little time...
- Apokalyps2547, on 05/21/2008, -0/+7FALSE!
You don't have to pay to practice a religion. You have to pay a LOT to be a Scientologist.
Religions want to spread their word, and the text of the Bible, Qu'ran and other scriptures can be found legally for free. Scientology uses copyright law to force people to pay to see their "scriptures".
If profit is the bottom line, it's a cult.
- xodex, on 05/21/2008, -22/+16Along with every other religion, Just bigger.
- diskit, on 05/21/2008, -8/+69Google Lisa McPherson
- VaporBro, on 05/21/2008, -31/+9( o Y o )
- Smalldude76, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Why are you being dugg down? ***** are always relevant.
- educatedrodent, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Obviously my mind is too clean. I thought that was an owl
- educatedrodent, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Obviously my mind is too clean. I thought that was an owl. oops
- Smalldude76, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Why are you being dugg down? ***** are always relevant.
- cyberdash, on 05/21/2008, -8/+11What was wrong with text? I probably wouldn't have quickly closed the tab that had the horrific voice of Microsoft Sam playing in it.
- FrederikNS, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5This is how it started, watch the previous movies here: http://uk.youtube.com/Church0fScientology
- jumico, on 05/21/2008, -1/+3There is text next to the video. Click more info.
- truspect0r, on 05/21/2008, -23/+177GOGOGOGOGOGOGO ANONYMOUS!
CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT- legendxx, on 05/21/2008, -31/+5In any other story this sort of comment would be burried into oblivion.. why does it have +7 diggs here?
- BrosDuCK, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5Because this isn't "any other story" it is actually relevant.
- yayintertubes, on 05/21/2008, -0/+19Maybe because a 15 yr old kid was arrested in UK for calling scientology a cult. maybe.
- Nenb, on 05/21/2008, -0/+9Because it is defiant to the people who arrested a young boy for calling the cult a cult.
- deanoplex, on 05/21/2008, -2/+244 diggs now!
- deanoplex, on 05/22/2008, -0/+4149 diggs now!
- deanoplex, on 05/26/2008, -0/+2151 diggs now!
- legendxx, on 05/21/2008, -9/+4Are you people serious? You really believe you're sticking it to scientology by spamming CULT in a digg comment thread? My god you're naive.. and easily impressed.
- BizarroDiggtard, on 05/21/2008, -3/+4Only 7 lines of "CULT" in all caps? Scientology's not going be brought down with only 7. I want to see 77,000 lines of "CULT" in your next comment please, k?
- legendxx, on 05/21/2008, -31/+5In any other story this sort of comment would be burried into oblivion.. why does it have +7 diggs here?
- GeorgeStone2, on 05/21/2008, -51/+11People still care about this *****?
For the first week it was actually funny, but now it's just left the internet hate machine in tatters.
Luckily 4chan as a whole has disowned protesters. Since you know, 80% of them are fail and 100% of them are not funny.
Now when I found the XSS vuln in the CoS website. That was funny.- GeorgeStone2, on 05/21/2008, -3/+3BAWWWWWW more. Digg.
- wirah, on 05/21/2008, -1/+14chan is a ***** that noone cares about - its just good for lulz now and then.
If you still think Anonymous is comprised of only basement dwelling weeaboos, ***** or gtfo.
Anonymous evolves, and will continue to.
- wirah, on 05/21/2008, -1/+14chan is a ***** that noone cares about - its just good for lulz now and then.
- mllawso, on 05/21/2008, -1/+3"Now when I found the XSS vuln in the CoS website. That was funny."
Whatever you say, script kiddie.- GeorgeStone2, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1Check my post history. I posted it.
It got patched about 3 hours after i posted it here. - GeorgeStone2, on 05/21/2008, -2/+1http://digg.com/politics/scientology_the_cult_that ...
There you go, *****.
Go suck a dick.
- GeorgeStone2, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1Check my post history. I posted it.
- GeorgeStone2, on 05/21/2008, -3/+3BAWWWWWW more. Digg.
- apophenic, on 05/21/2008, -48/+12I wish I could bury this more than once.
- Sneakernets, on 05/21/2008, -8/+8Don't worry, we'll bury you instead.
- itsfunny, on 05/21/2008, -36/+10Oh Jesus. This again....
- steveoco, on 05/21/2008, -37/+12This is the cancer that is killing /b/... since when does anon set projects and mission to save the planet?
- desuexmachina, on 05/21/2008, -1/+18You know what I think might be the cancer that's killing /b/? The constant reminder that cancer is killing /b/. It's much more difficult to come up with interesting posts and hilarious new stuff than just spam that everything is cancer all the time.
- KurtangleTN, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1Yeah maybe but this is the real cancer, of all the other cancers this cancer is the most cancerish.
The one pic to sum it up is that "Old anon" boss of the internet etc etc, and then "New Anon" HAY GUYS LETS CHANGE THE WORLD TOMORROW!
- KurtangleTN, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1Yeah maybe but this is the real cancer, of all the other cancers this cancer is the most cancerish.
- Sneakernets, on 05/21/2008, -2/+6I'm afraid that doing good actually helped /b/'s image. If you think it didn't.. then.. you have some messed up expectations.
- GeorgeStone2, on 05/21/2008, -9/+3This ***** did not help 4chan at all.
- wirah, on 05/21/2008, -2/+2who cares.
4chan is run by a little ***** would would prefer to fap over japanese ***** than have epic lulz.
People who dont agree with protests have never been to one.
- wirah, on 05/21/2008, -2/+2who cares.
- arcooke, on 05/21/2008, -4/+12Meanwhile, 4chan is the cancer of the internet.
- steveoco, on 05/21/2008, -1/+3You damn right it is, and thats how it should stay!
- kb29, on 05/21/2008, -1/+2Read rule numbers 1 and 2.
- Digger1218, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1facepalm.jpg
- Smalldude76, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Reread rules 1 and 2.
- desuexmachina, on 05/21/2008, -1/+18You know what I think might be the cancer that's killing /b/? The constant reminder that cancer is killing /b/. It's much more difficult to come up with interesting posts and hilarious new stuff than just spam that everything is cancer all the time.
- crazyjake, on 05/21/2008, -11/+189i am so glad i live in Germany where $cientology is ILLEGAL!!!
- MrTulip, on 05/21/2008, -1/+19err..no, it's not.
really, look it up, if you don't believe me.
the berlin headquarters are abuzz with loonies 24/7 who try to lure you in with free psycho tests.
afaik the "church" is still under examination by the verfassungsschutz.- bagelmaster, on 05/21/2008, -0/+10Is verfassungsschutz a real word? That's pretty ***** awesome if it is
- MrTulip, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verfassungsschutz
- bagelmaster, on 05/21/2008, -0/+10Is verfassungsschutz a real word? That's pretty ***** awesome if it is
- yayintertubes, on 05/21/2008, -16/+14Yeah, pity you had the whole hitler thing though.
- 1timeuser, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5Actually, I'm all for freedom of religion... It's just that Scientology is a cult full of manipulative scheming douche bags... and I'm against douche bags. If they made the religion illegal I'd probably be a little pissed off even if I don't like them.
- ninja0, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3Except for that they're a cult so who cares about them. They are not a religion, thats their mask.
- ninja0, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1I really hope Canada jumps on that bandwagon.
- MrTulip, on 05/21/2008, -1/+19err..no, it's not.
- Awfulnonymous, on 05/21/2008, -14/+5Next time make the announcement video more fun.
- BrosDuCK, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1/Agree
It was sort of unclear.
- BrosDuCK, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1/Agree
- Calypsoaf, on 05/21/2008, -26/+30Suddenly...Newfags.
Thousands of them.- christophe971, on 05/21/2008, -5/+9seconded.
- yayintertubes, on 05/21/2008, -3/+6fourthed.
- Schweppes7T4, on 05/21/2008, -2/+5frosted butts
- bialia, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4also, *****.
- evilesttoast, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST
- nobodynoes, on 05/21/2008, -25/+6CANNNNNNNCERRRRRRRR
- deanoplex, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1LIIIIIIIIIIBRAAAAAA
- lcmatt, on 05/21/2008, -6/+66Just don't make a sign with the word cult in London or you might face a court order.
- saxreturns, on 05/21/2008, -0/+23I think EVERYONE who protests within City of London Police's catchment area should make exactly the same sign and take it. Let's see you arrest all of them, you corrupt *****.
- ursername180, on 05/21/2008, -0/+11Dear Scientology,
Can
U
Leave
Town?
-Anonymous- jazzjeff, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1Class LOL Very Good
- ninja0, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Serious? We do it in vancouver all the time :D
- ParanoidArtemus, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1The City of London's police department is very corrupt when talking about Scientology. Scientologists have sent "gifts" to the police department of thousands of dollars. Protesters in that area who held signs calling the Co$ a cult were forced to remove them or arrested
I'm just really amazed at how people turn a blind eye to such obvious illegal dealings and still call this CULT a religion.
- ParanoidArtemus, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1The City of London's police department is very corrupt when talking about Scientology. Scientologists have sent "gifts" to the police department of thousands of dollars. Protesters in that area who held signs calling the Co$ a cult were forced to remove them or arrested
- funkywood, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1We need it. When I last walked past their place they were more proactive in stopping people, not just sitting there with their stress test signs. There was at least 4 young people acting like chuggers, targetting anyone who looked naive, only this ain't no charity.
- Cheezeburgar, on 05/21/2008, -22/+7I love how "Anonymous" is making a "visible" difference in this world.
- lopla, on 05/21/2008, -84/+21REALITY CHECK. Anon are worth a few thousand bucks at most, Scientology is worth 100's of millions. They do not give a rats ass about the lamo viral marketing that is Anonymous (yes, just wait.. you are all being had ..lmfao). Also, new evidence shows that attacks by "Anon" have led to a massive increase in Scientology numbers. In other words, you ***** are not only wasting your time, but you are a boon for Scientology -lmao AGAIN. As for me, I'm an Atheist and I put my time towards REAL causes, but you go ahead and play the imaginary hero that panders to a triple scam.
- elvenseven, on 05/21/2008, -3/+17*****.
- lopla, on 05/21/2008, -10/+4I'll give you a hint. The film is called "Anonymous".
- KMartSheriff, on 05/21/2008, -4/+15You're right. They should just give up. That's a better idea. /sarcasm
- truspect0r, on 05/21/2008, -2/+11lol viral marketing? Welcome to the internet.
- legendxx, on 05/21/2008, -1/+20I'm with you as far as your dislike for Anon but can you cite your source about the influx of scientology membership since the campaign started?
- nedev, on 05/21/2008, -2/+17Show me this "new evidence" and I'll consider it. And it had better not be "they have more members now than when the protest started", something statistically relevant.
- halfdirt, on 05/21/2008, -1/+9Fighting them only makes them stronger, noooooooo!! Lopla roflmaoed at us!
- ronintetsuro, on 05/21/2008, -1/+25Voting for the next American Idol makes you nothing more than offal. Please stand aside while those possessing ball sack attempt to do something positive. Thank you for shutting the hell up in advance.
- AlekNovi, on 05/21/2008, -7/+6I haven't tried to look for any numbers on scientology memberships. But it wouldn't surprise me if the OP is right.
I know from sociology studies an odd thing that politicans don't talk about often.
Whenever "don't do drugs" campaigns are run, it actually *increases* the number of drug users.
Same with stories on suicides. Whenever the media runs a story on a suicide, the number of suicides increases in the following period.
In terms of this cult, the mechanism by which this would work seems likely to me. The way they lure people into it is that they find people who are direction-less and insecure... and then what does scientology do?
It sells them the whole "us vs. them" conspiracy theory.
"THEY want you to be unsuccessful/poor/depressed", the entire world is against you finding out the "truth"... They're all agents of the "other side" bla bla bla... And then of course, they tell you the "truth" is this cult. And anyone who tries to dissuade you from this cult, must be working for "them".
So... to a person who's sold on the us vs. them conspiracy. Seeing anon protests might actually increase their belief in scientology, not decrease it.
But this is not always the case. In fact, in most situations it's not (suicide and drugs are exceptions). If it were aways the case, there would be no point in making protests ever on any issue.
And we know that's not true.
I'm just saying the OP's point is possible. Someone needs to find valid data on membership growths or whatever, if at all possible.- Digger1218, on 05/21/2008, -5/+2tl;dr
- ParanoidArtemus, on 05/21/2008, -1/+2Just like the other guy you posted that without any evidence to back you up. That's just like the myth that around Christmas time there are more suicides.
- AlekNovi, on 05/22/2008, -1/+1It's interesting how people want massive "evidence" whenever someone posts something that comes even close to breaking their reality bubble.
For example. Do I need to see 239230 referenced studies in the post linking to a scientology video, to conclude that scientology is retarded?
No, all you need to determine that scientology is retarded is common sense.
As for a reference on suicides influence by the media for example, you can check out some of Wilson Key's works on advertising, those are great works in general about understanding how publicity works.
...and I believe there are some points on the same in Robert Cialdini's "Influence".
Both can be found under social psychology sections. Cialdini's is more mainstream digestable, and key's are academic style
- AlekNovi, on 05/22/2008, -1/+1It's interesting how people want massive "evidence" whenever someone posts something that comes even close to breaking their reality bubble.
- deanoplex, on 05/21/2008, -1/+5"Also, new evidence shows that attacks by "Anon" have led to a massive increase in Scientology numbers." Show me the evidence, lopla.
- Evilena, on 05/21/2008, -1/+14REALITY CHECK. If you make arguments that rely on a vague statements like "new evidence shows" without providing a link to the new evidence, then you may be a Scientologist.
- kb29, on 05/21/2008, -2/+4ahahahahaha
Well said.
- kb29, on 05/21/2008, -2/+4ahahahahaha
- muniak, on 05/21/2008, -15/+3This is anon tactics... wtf anon! I liked it better when it was for lulz. Get back to the Low Orbit Ion Cannon it was more fun.
- lopla, on 05/21/2008, -27/+6DIGG ME DOWN!!!! ANOTHER WORTHY CAUSE :P
eat McD's
drink Starbucks
fight scientology
repeat- chix0r, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2You forgot shop at Walmart. ;)
- kb29, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Way to spam, douche. You forgot to provide evidence of an influx of CoS members, you know, the reply that you got shut down on?
- NateDiggle, on 05/21/2008, -7/+27I just got back from Amsterdam and there was an Anonymous gathering near a local coffeeshop last Friday. It was very peaceful and polite. I even got a nice pic of a member holding a "Free Hugs" sign.
- dkitch, on 05/21/2008, -24/+6There's no need for a protest or demonstration to "inform people". There are two types of people: those who think Scientology's a wacked-out cult, and Scientologists. Neither will be persuaded to join the other side. This is just a bunch of internet nerds looking for an excuse to get out of their mothers' basements. All they'll end up doing is giving more press to Scientology. Buried
- wirah, on 05/21/2008, -3/+5You do not understand Anonymous
- AlekNovi, on 05/21/2008, -1/+3"All they'll end up doing is giving more press to scientology"
I'm not convinced this is neccesarily the case. But being a sociologist I can definetely say this is very possible. The protests might end up doing doing nothing more that increasing scientology memberships.
This is not to say that the protests are "bad". Far from it! They're a good thing. They just need to actually re-calibrate and change tactics based on the results.
It might turn out that for example approaching members directly and offering them de-programming help, might have a better effect, or that maybe shooting educational viral videos with facts and figures might have a better effect (random examples, could be anything)
Blind faith to a method is not always a good thing. It's when you see something isn't giving the effect you wanted, but you keep doing it, coz you can't accept you could have possibly chosen the less-than-perfect tactic.
Here's the deal. No one can predict the perfect tactic for anything up front. You try one thing, see how it works, and then change based on real world results.
Wirah Said "You do not understand Anonymous"
You don't understand how publicity, marketing and public opinion is formed. Negative publicity doesn't always bring negative opinions. Sometimes it's actually the opposite. Major corporations have been known to fund fake protests to increase sales.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is the case for ANON. I'm just giving you a real-world example.
The basic point i'm trying to make is that someone has to actually watch what effects this has, rather than assuming it must have good effects.
- wintersland, on 05/21/2008, -4/+69For anyone who would think they are a legitimate religion or organisation go out and watch the BBC Panorama documentary "Scientology and Me" with John Sweeney. I for one don't think it is right to follow, harass or intimidate any critic let alone one from one of the largest and most well respected media organisations around today.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/665 ...- nedev, on 05/21/2008, -2/+2The fact that they intimidate peole doesn't immediately render them an illegitimate religion though. By those standards we wouldn't have many legitimate churches left, would we? I'd say it makes them immoral, or unethical, something like that.
- fredmv, on 05/21/2008, -2/+92Just a note, in Boston, the event is actually June 15th (Sunday). The Gay Pride March is on the 14th which Anonymous will also be covering (passing out flyers) to inform gay people that Scientology hates homosexuals and that L. Ron Hubbard once stated that "[homosexuality] is a disease that can be cured." In doing this, we hope to get the gay community backing us, and then have an even better turnout at the actual protest... and this is in addition to the backup we'll already have.
- luchid, on 05/21/2008, -2/+25Ohhh, us (THE GAYS) already deeply despise the cult of Scientology, don't worry. And we also know WHY Tom Cruise is part of it. If you guys put up a funny sign like "Gays! We need your help!" and ask for the community's help for the protest I'm sure you'll earn a few helping hands. Our lesbians can be really loud, too.
- captoftheworld, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5I bet they are
- kukiweed, on 05/21/2008, -1/+7Great, just don't turn your back on them.
- BestJaxx, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4You've already got me on your side. I'm going to plant on yard sign against scientology on the 14th.
- luchid, on 05/21/2008, -2/+25Ohhh, us (THE GAYS) already deeply despise the cult of Scientology, don't worry. And we also know WHY Tom Cruise is part of it. If you guys put up a funny sign like "Gays! We need your help!" and ask for the community's help for the protest I'm sure you'll earn a few helping hands. Our lesbians can be really loud, too.
- Strunt, on 05/21/2008, -5/+32in light of british protest check this (there's a Digg page for this but it only has 12 diggs)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/20/1?gusrc=r ...
Teenager arrested for using the word 'cult' in protest sign.- toolunious, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4It makes me maaaaD!!
- legendxx, on 05/21/2008, -0/+11http://digg.com/world_news/Teenager_faces_prosecut ...
This one has over 5000- Strunt, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3Thanks, I did a search, but that one didn't come up. Wrong words probably.
- legendxx, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2That and digg's search feature sucks :)
- Strunt, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3Thanks, I did a search, but that one didn't come up. Wrong words probably.
- DontFretBrett, on 05/21/2008, -3/+17At :27 there is a window's dialog box sound, just thought I'd point that out.
- banmaster, on 05/21/2008, -5/+10What do you expect? The 'video' certainly wasn't a legitimate Anonymous one that for damn sure. Since when has a text-to-speech synthesiser breathed on a mic and made wind noise!
I don't know what the uploader is trying to do, but its NOT anything to do with the 'real' anonymous.- thecosmicpope, on 05/21/2008, -0/+8The uploader is doing *exactly* what Anonymous want. He has just organised a mass-protest in similar style to the original and got the word out. Now people other than the original organisers are taking control.
Anonymous is everywhere. - soccerman90, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2How do you define who is anonymous? Anonymous is not a defined group with a defined list of members. More power to the people who want to stop this cult
- thecosmicpope, on 05/21/2008, -0/+8The uploader is doing *exactly* what Anonymous want. He has just organised a mass-protest in similar style to the original and got the word out. Now people other than the original organisers are taking control.
- hidromatic, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1why would you leave that sound in there...? as soon as V says APRIL. lol i love this *****...
- banmaster, on 05/21/2008, -5/+10What do you expect? The 'video' certainly wasn't a legitimate Anonymous one that for damn sure. Since when has a text-to-speech synthesiser breathed on a mic and made wind noise!
- dkitch, on 05/21/2008, -14/+5Heh, burying something that doesn't agree with you. Isn't this protest about the fact that the Co$ was suppressing dissent? When I say "hypo" you say "crite"
(note: I'm not a Scientologist. I realize they're a crazy cult. I just don't see what good a protest is going to do)- banmaster, on 05/21/2008, -1/+5Prevent a few more people from having their lives ruined by this extreme money-cult.
- PrintScrn12, on 05/21/2008, -1/+5Censorship is censorship only when it is enforced on to a publisher who doesn't want it. Since Digg allows burying by it's users so it isn't censorship. It's part and parcel of the Digg system. It may become censorship when the function is abused past the standard of Digg, for example by spamming or creating multiple accounts. I don't think that is the case here, so I don't see the hypocrisy,
- Anonchrist, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3Additionally, your comment isn't removed. The digg system is designed to rate content not censor it.
- Sneakernets, on 05/21/2008, -10/+13MAN THE HARPOONS
Everyone I know is ready to protest. :)- theblt, on 05/21/2008, -1/+3You need some more friends.
- TechCF, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1Harpoons? Are all scifags are fatties (read: well-built) or what?
- deadlyfluvirus, on 05/21/2008, -7/+25That was one lame anonymous video..
- banmaster, on 05/21/2008, -3/+2Thats because it ISN'T REAL!!
I don't know what the uploader is trying to do, but its NOT anything to do with the 'real' anonymous.- shadowman99, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2How does one determine if it is real or not? Don't say "The "real" videos have clouds". Time lapse photography and voice synth software are freely available to anybody.
- shadowman99, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2How does one determine if it is real or not? Don't say "The "real" videos have clouds". Time lapse photography and voice synth software are freely available to anybody.
- Anonchrist, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Newfags have hijacked the great interwebs crusade. Still, I throw my support behind anyone that can bring the censor cult to an end.
- KlogereEndGrim, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1Yeah, video sucked, but the protests are cool.
- gasin, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1Is there a text version of this?!! I don't really know why this is a video?
- banmaster, on 05/21/2008, -3/+2Thats because it ISN'T REAL!!
- geminus, on 05/21/2008, -3/+5That's my birthday! I wonder if there will be a protest in Italy?
- yayintertubes, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3Over your birthday? Unlikely. Unless you're really unpopular.
- longman, on 05/21/2008, -4/+13Anonumous really needs to stop referring to Co$ as a church. A part of the plan is having their church status revoked right?
So why acknowledge them as one every time Anonymous releases a video?- Anonchrist, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3The Scientology Organization is a more appropriate title.
- jumico, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4Cult Of Scientology
- doctordbx, on 05/21/2008, -9/+15Excuse my ignorance, but I don't live in a society exposed to scientology. But apart from being a bunch of crazy weirdo nutjobs that follow a 'belief' invented by a novelist... what harm does Scientology do?
- redslash, on 05/21/2008, -1/+16It's mostly just that it doesn't pay taxes on its income by virtue of being a "religion", despite the fact that it's (allegedly) a pyramid-scheme-style business.
- decadence, on 05/21/2008, -0/+13This story is a good place to start:
http://xenu.net/archive/personal_story/paulette_co ... - A11YND, on 05/21/2008, -0/+14They have caused, willfully, countless deaths and could and are blamed for many more by not allowing clearly mental unbalanced members to receive proper medication that could help with their mental conditions.
- ConceptualTrap, on 05/21/2008, -7/+3"They have caused, willfully, countless deaths."
I'm positive that more people have died, and in more interesting ways, on account of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. - tommq, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4I'm positive that happened in the West before the reformations which took place in the past two hundred years. Scientology came out within this century; its destruction since its birth is unmatched.
- ConceptualTrap, on 05/21/2008, -7/+3"They have caused, willfully, countless deaths."
- banmaster, on 05/21/2008, -0/+11Just google "lisa McPherson"
- ziv36, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4They are a cult based on making money and disconnection. They are harmful to any family that has a member coerced into believing that scientology deserves 100% of their money and time. And oh, so much more...
- KlogereEndGrim, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3Great info here as to why we protest: http://www.whyweprotest.org
- petethepanda, on 05/21/2008, -19/+10Eh. People blindly believing Scientology is no different than blindly believing any other religion. And Scientology hardly makes as much money as the Catholic church anyway.
I am so sick of this internet nerd "revolt" *****.- HypocriteDigg, on 05/21/2008, -2/+2Me too. I can't stand these dumbass diggiot nerds who think they know everything. They're just 'Digg Douchebags'.
- BizarroDiggtard, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1Yeah really... as much as I'd like to see Scientology go down, at the end of the day nothing changes. Diggers need to realize that to change things in society, you have to get out of your parents' basement. Posting "Digg this up! Raise awareness about this evil cult!!!!!!!!!!!111!!" on digg where everyone here already knows about it and has the same opinion on it, is preaching to the choir and changes nothing.
- Roaming, on 05/21/2008, -7/+33Way to go Anonymous! Keep these pickets going! Down with Scientology!
More on Scientology here:
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.lermanet.com
http://www.enturbulation.org
http://www.stopscientology.com
http://www.exscientologykids.com - Willis3D, on 05/21/2008, -8/+15Alf could so kick Xenu's ass
- akilleen, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3If Xenu was a cat.
- theramiy, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1Xenu is a well known intergalactic LOL cat.
- akilleen, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3If Xenu was a cat.
- A11YND, on 05/21/2008, -8/+27Am I the only one a little.. hmm. unconvinced that this is "official" Anon? From a Youtube user named Doyle6315. It doesn't seem like the rest of the Anon materials, the voice modulation is done horribly and you can even hear a Windows Alert in the background.. Just an observation.
- smek2, on 05/21/2008, -5/+6My thoughts exactly. The whole "Anonymous project" looks like the usual internet craze to me. You know, the next "all your base". Some guy is releasing crappy videos on YouTube and a few students standing in front of a Scientology HQ. And they really believe this will "end the cult". So naive...
And the best part, for pointing that out, i got called as being "on Scientology watchlist", i actually got attacked and insulted as being a worshiper of Xenu and whatnot. Ironic that people who claim to be against the ways of Scientology, in the end, behave exactly like them.- wirah, on 05/21/2008, -0/+9Anonymous has no leaders. There is no one place to get 'official' Anonymous media.
- scum2k, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3indeed, someone is missing the point somewhat =)
- A11YND, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2I'm not missing the point, I'm just merely saying this could just be someone trying to be anon. A newfag perhaps lurking /b/ and decided to "do the cool thing."
- 1timeuser, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3Even if it's just some guy trying to do "the cool thing" it's still technically official if I understand how anon works (which no one really does)
- tommq, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1Isn't that what makes the movement so strong? No centralization means no destruction of the fabric which holds the organization together.
- nobodynoes, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1all protestfags are newfags, so it doesn't matter.
real anon doesn't support this faggotry
- scum2k, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3indeed, someone is missing the point somewhat =)
- TheImaginator, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2I agree with Wirah - I am not affiliated with Annonymous but to be annonymous and legion then as many people as possible being involved is a good idea, and since it is not a centralised organisation it cannot issue leaflets, badges, stickers, fuzzy critters with funny eyes that sit on your computer monitor...
...nor can they be attacked directly, stopped, silenced or controlled.
Long live Annonymous, and may it gather many more people and evolve - let it stay organic and developing and spreading and keep talking about everything. - A11YND, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1I'm just laughing at the fact that this guy thinks anonymous only gathers for "good ideas" I'm on the chons alot and let me tell you, Scifag protestor anons are not the same as Legion Anonymous.
- wirah, on 05/21/2008, -0/+9Anonymous has no leaders. There is no one place to get 'official' Anonymous media.
- Shady77, on 05/21/2008, -0/+7I think you're not quite getting it - there is no "official" Anon. There is no "unofficial" Anon. Anybody who gives a damn can just step up and contribute however they see fit. If it is compatible with the hive mind's principles then it will be accepted, and if not then it will be disowned.
It's a lot like Digg, actually, but without the thumbs, and a somewhat more developed social conscience.- Gozmeranian, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Decentralized Hive minds?
And this is good PR because? - TheImaginator, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Shady77 - I think you're right, except I think that you are delving into semantics when you say there is no official or unofficial Anon.
That there is an entity or idea which is called Anon by those who take part in it gives it a life of a sort, regardless of it not being centralised (which I mentioned is one of it's characteristics).
Anon may be said to exist because many people say it does - although such may be too simplistic.
Anon may be said to exist because people use the name whilst engaging in various activities, previously for Lulz and now for affecting the world in a positive way perhaps?
I have no idea - I think Anon exists, I think that it may do some good in this world. I hope so.
- Gozmeranian, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Decentralized Hive minds?
- smek2, on 05/21/2008, -5/+6My thoughts exactly. The whole "Anonymous project" looks like the usual internet craze to me. You know, the next "all your base". Some guy is releasing crappy videos on YouTube and a few students standing in front of a Scientology HQ. And they really believe this will "end the cult". So naive...
- banmaster, on 05/21/2008, -18/+13"We support the right of all people to worship freely, to read and write freely, to think, speak and assemble"
They forgot the bit just after though - "Except you guys"- GeorgeStone2, on 05/21/2008, -6/+2Too right.
- Hoshi101, on 05/21/2008, -0/+9Too wrong. We support FreeZone: An organization with the same beliefs as Scientology, except they believe that religion should be FREE and there should be no policies of disconnecting families and attacking critics(especially through illegal means like the CoS does).
- Zippo, on 05/21/2008, -0/+12Anonymous would have no issue with Scientology if they were actually a religion... but they aren't. They are a corrupt business and dangerous cult.
- ConceptualTrap, on 05/21/2008, -4/+2"They are a corrupt business and dangerous cult."
Kind of like Christianity.
"I'm the Pope! Check out my bling!" - Risingashes, on 05/21/2008, -1/+2Sorry but as great as Anonymous is for calling a spade a spade they are doing nothing more than picking on the upstarts.
Cult is just the word religions made up to insult the newbies, there's no difference between a cult and a religion except the number of members.
- ConceptualTrap, on 05/21/2008, -4/+2"They are a corrupt business and dangerous cult."
- tommq, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5Notice they don't support the right of all people to relentlessly and unethically harass those who disagree in order to secure profits while claiming their own actions are consecrated by an alien overlord.
- GeorgeStone2, on 05/21/2008, -6/+2Too right.
- smek2, on 05/21/2008, -11/+2The Anonymous Project? Does it still exist?
- Johnnell, on 05/21/2008, -2/+16***** CULT SUCKS!
- fr3ddie, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2theres no words on it.
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