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Iran Legalizes Prostitution With Islamic "Temporary Marriages" of One Hour

jpost.com — For girls as young as 9, Iran has established a system of legalized prostitution, through the practice of "sigheh" or "temporary marriages," by which a mullah arranges a "legal union" between a man and a girl (some as young as nine years old) for a fee. The so-called marriage can last as short as one hour.

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  • garretro, on 10/12/2007, -29/+79I guess they can now get their supposed 72 virgins before they die. How sad.
    • venir, on 10/12/2007, -16/+158Not only is it sad that they are doing this but with girls as young as 9? Thats just downright ***** up.
    • CornStarch, on 10/12/2007, -59/+35I can't believe people are denouncing this. The moderates find a way to allow people to have sex without some nut case fanatic demanding the woman's head be cut off and people still bitch.

      The age at which this can be done is sickening however.
    • venir, on 10/12/2007, -6/+59@cornstarch

      While agree it is good that women will not be punished with death for prostitution which is already happening, I would be much happier if they abolished the old laws rather than creating a legal loophole to circumvent inhumane laws which are already established.
    • CornStarch, on 10/12/2007, -26/+13@venir

      And while agree it is better to have bad customs abolished rather than circumvented, save a revolution or civil war, that's just not going to happen on whim. This thread is a good example of why stories should not be over spun.
    • DerProfi, on 10/12/2007, -23/+74"Not only is it sad that they are doing this but with girls as young as 9?"

      But in that case, aren't they just following the example of their prophet?
    • knightblade2oo4, on 10/12/2007, -24/+4Well I think the question you've got to ask yourself is how old is nine, really?

      /chappelle
    • m1th, on 10/12/2007, -14/+18Holy science! One might wonder if AdmiralAdama has an agenda with the rate his submissions are getting to front page.
    • babar77, on 10/12/2007, -7/+34This is sick, age of 9?! Am I the only one that follows the money trail (fee to the mullahs) and think religion has nothing to do with this?
    • burnnation, on 07/27/2008, -29/+68Perhaps you guys will want to notice the source of this article.
      In no way could the "Jerusalem Post" be biased against Iran & Islam.
      I would try to get a more reliable source, I expected better from you Diggers than to fall for this.
    • littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -32/+27"girls as young as 9?" ***** Slime-Ball Pedophile Rapist Pig Barbarians. How do you like that for Political Correctness?
    • mikesbaker, on 10/12/2007, -20/+14i say kill them all and let Allah sort them out... oh wait thats about to happen.
    • BasouKazuma, on 10/12/2007, -11/+13They can last as short as one hour (or 1 minute).
      /sick joke
    • littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -20/+11So AdmiralAdama? Are you trying to get us all riled up because you want the US to invade Iran? If you don't answer, I'll know your answer.
    • masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+34@sawafamin:

      If you had done a Google search, you'd have found various academic articles on the subject:
      http://www.google.com/search?q=iran+age+9+temporary+wives

      http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/khatami.htm
      http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=2137352725

      Hell, even the U.S. Department of State has an article that includes details about it (might I note that the DoS website says that while the minimum age of marriage is nine, it is rare for a nine year-old to be married.):
      http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27927.htm
    • saikhan, on 10/12/2007, -29/+19Well considering this is a submission from AdmiralAdama and his submissions usually have an agenda, I’m skeptical. The fact that this comes from the “Jerusalem Post” just makes me scream *****.

      But what would I know? I mean, I’ve googled combinations of the words “Iran, temporary marriage, children, pedophilia, underage” but nothing like this comes up from a reliable news source.

      Just goes to show that if you look hard enough, you can find anything.
    • picardo, on 10/12/2007, -20/+33This is infuriating. That article is so biased. Temporary marriages have been crucial to allowing women some measure of independence in a still very strict Islamic society; they are not legalized prostitution. While it's technically possible for a 9 year old to enter into a temporary marriage, all sorts of legal restrictions prevent that from happening. The situation of women in Iran is much better than in Saudi Arabia, where a woman can't leave the house, can't drive a car, can't travel without her husband's permission. In Iran, women can do all those things, and they can even have casual sex.

    • MOJIRA, on 05/17/2008, -14/+26I don't need to say as Muslim that this is complete ***** and in no way legal under Islam do I?

      How messed up is it for a religious leader to tell you what you can and cannot do under your chosen religion? Weird things ahappenin.
    • cliffy2000, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16@Mohanned: Have you ever heard of the "no true Scotsman" argument? Try: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
    • daverave999, on 10/12/2007, -12/+28This seems to me to be 2+2=5

      Nowhere could I see it said that prostitution of 9-yr olds is actually occurring. It says that temporary marriages are happening for the purpose of prostitution, and that people can legally get married from 9 years old. While I don't doubt that it happens, I'm convinced that is not the purpose of the majority of people exploiting this loophole.

      South Carolina has an age of consent of 14 according to http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm, which in the UK would legally be paedophilia. Therefore, we could get on our high horse saying much the same thing as the tone of this post, 'state-sanctioned paedophilia'.

      Paedophilia is sick and wrong, but the issue here seems to be that normal Iranians are using loopholes to lead a more Westernised (read: free from fundamentalist restraints) life. Just because Ahmadinejad is nuts doesn't mean all Iranians are. The article provides horrific examples of abuse but that does not mean that it is the norm. Read a newspaper from any 'civilised nation' and see what civilised people do to each other.

      I get fed up of all the moralistic crap we hear about how just about anyone from the Middle East is evil. It's just more and more FUD to soften the US/world up for Bush's next dick-headed crusade to 'save the evil brown man from himself'.

      People are just people, wherever they are from or whatever they look or sound like. They cannot necessarily be held responsible for their governments actions, nor assumed to be good or bad. Stereotyping sucks, and this kind of attitude in the mass media will do nobody any favours in the long run.
    • malice8691, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2Can I get for just 3 minutes cause thats really all I need.
    • burnnation, on 07/27/2008, -9/+3Dear Masamunecyrus,

      I feel that the great words of Jsdratm are an appropriate reply to you comment.

      "I had a "temporary marriage" with your mom"

      Enjoy,
    • Quidam, on 10/12/2007, -17/+10Stop being so ***** ignorant.

      THIS ARTICLE IS OBVIOUSLY PROPAGANDA. It's so freaking obvious.
    • Joab, on 10/12/2007, -16/+10This is complete Anti-Iran propaganda. Look at the publisher of the article. Man I really wish the ***** intelligence agencies would get off our social networks. Even since the Democrates won the mid term election they have been increasing their trolling of Digg.
    • twinklyJesus, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13@saikhan:

      How DARE anyone who is not a Bush-hater, Israel-hater or pacifist left-wing enviromental moon-bat be allowed to post anything with an agenda! I am outraged!

      /end sarcasm
    • jgamboa, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2at first i thought how sad that they have to masquerade this as a marriage.


      however it does makes sense since some sects of Islam allow divorce and most encourage polygamy.
    • KiaserLies, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4hahah this complete *****. the news article is nowhere else on the net. and its on a jewish site. irans number 1 enemy. obviously its made up
    • jacked, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@KiaserLies:

      From a U.S. State Department web site (linked above):
      "The law allowed for the practice of temporary marriages based on a Shi'a custom in which a woman or a girl may become the wife of a married or single Muslim male after a simple and brief religious ceremony. The temporary marriage may last any length of time. According to Shi'a Islamic law, men may have as many temporary wives as they wish. Such wives are not granted rights associated with traditional marriage."
    • faskippy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I guess now we know the reason GW will invade Iran.
    • bobbknight, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Ain't there a guy on trial in Utah for doing the same thing?
    • returnofmalv, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Horray for propoganda posts. Just what we need, more information to help dehumanize the Iranians and add further support to the Bush administration and his agenda of invading Iran. Do Americans have anything better to do than to be Israels bitch?
    • aristotle0dude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Yeah it is really sick to force a 9 year old into marriage. Of course the Muslim authorities think nothing of it since even their great prophet Mohammed had a 9 year old wife and that wife was his favourite to sleep with.

      Before you digg me down. Google it.
    • RoflcopterFUEL, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Now do you people realize why shiites need to get the ***** blown out of them in Iraq? and why Saddam treated them like scum?

      THIS IS SHIISM, ITS NOT ISLAMIC, plz make the distinction ppl.

      Not only this, but they beat themselves untill they bleed on a certain holiday they have. Their religion is way ***** up without repair.
    • spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"I would be much happier if they abolished the old laws rather than creating a legal loophole"

      Apparently you can't reason with Allah. You can only trick him.
    • maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3they have to set he age at nine, because their prophet married a girl who was only 9. if it was any higher, thats like admiting that Mohammed was a pedophile. (was)
    • KiaserLies, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@jacked

      bs. find me a prpopper news website that says that and ill believe
  • sicc, on 10/12/2007, -37/+2lol @ this
    • jsdratm, on 10/12/2007, -11/+51I had a "temporary marriage" with your mom
    • killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -10/+12This sounds very similar to the Catholic Church selling indulgences.
      "With the approval of the pope, individual bishops could sell indulgences which more or less paid off any temporal punishment or good works that the individual believer had accumulated in the previous year. It substituted the good works of the Catholic clergy for the good works required of the individual believer. Proof of this substitution was in the indulgence itself, which was a piece of paper, like a piece of money or a check, that certified that the good works of the clergy had paid off the "good works debt" of the individual believer."
      http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/GLOSSARY/INDULGE.HTM
  • prettynoiselab, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12Sad.
    • abid786, on 10/12/2007, -35/+9It happens in the Netherlands and it's revolutionary; it happens in Iran, its sad...WTF
    • RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35abid786, Search the internets and show me a link that says prostitution is sanctioned in the Netherlands "for girls as young as 9."
    • geoken, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15"abid786, Search the internets and show me a link that says prostitution is sanctioned in the Netherlands "for girls as young as 9.""

      Exactly. Nowhere amongst the 'tubes' will you find that information.
  • homerj14, on 10/12/2007, -27/+18am I wrong to say I hate iran?
    • mikesbaker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22yes you are; you should hate the twisted nut sacks that run Iran. All the Iranians I've met so far are good people.
    • DannoJyD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7homerj14, no you aren't as you are allowed to have your opinion. I would suggest that you learn all of the facts before blaming the entire country though.

      BTW, I happen to share your feelings of disgust of the actions of Iran's leaders.
    • MeltedUFO, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4He said he hates the country, not the people.
  • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -6/+41I repeated "age of nine" in the summary. Apologies. I think I was a little shocked. The background to this story is that one of Khoemeini's first act after he took power was to lower the age of marriage to I believe nine. This is due to the fact that Muhamud wed Aisha when she was six and consummated the marriage when she was nine. Due to the fact that Muhamud is considered the "perfect man" in Islam, the Ayotollah was simply carrying out his Islamic revolution. That, combined with the polygamy allowable in the Qu'ran, appears to have combine and led straight to this type of behavior.
    It's hypocrisy as only a religious-based society can be.

    I suspect that there is some connection between repression of women and the madness of a regime.
    • algo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"I repeated "age of nine" in the summary. Apologies. I think I was a little shocked. The background to this story is that one of Khoemeini's first act after he took power was to lower the age of marriage to I believe nine. This is due to the fact that Muhamud wed Aisha when she was six and consummated the marriage when she was nine."

      i don't suppose you know that the word consumate didn't have the same meaning in Arabic as it does in European languages? to say the marriage was consummated at nine means nothing.

      it might help to read direct transliterations of the Quran and Hadith rather than lifting indirect Translations from jihadwatch type sites.
    • thewatchman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@algo
      google Khomeini's Little Green Book reference to "thighing". He was the supreme religious leader of millions of muslims for many years. I'm sure he knew more about true Islam than you.
    • sanman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Forget Age-of-9, I want Seven-of-Nine. ;P
    • algo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0"google Khomeini's Little Green Book reference to "thighing". He was the supreme religious leader of millions of muslims for many years. I'm sure he knew more about true Islam than you."

      i'm sure you believe that, if he had sayings in his little book that did not fit your clearly hateful view on islam you probably wouldn't even mention him.

      btw, can you read arabic? can you do *any* research for yourself or are you only going by what you read online? do you know any muslims, were you a muslim at some time?

      if not, continue hating in ignorance.

      personally i do not see any further point in continuing in this thread, it is clear that there are a number of people digging down any comments that do not meet the mood of the original post. no sensible rational discussion can be had in such an environment.
  • Lars0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18It seems so hypocritical for them to allow prostitution.
    • cassholio, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31I don't think its hypocrisy--it's more along the lines of hardcore Islamic men oppressing women. They feel threatened by the spread of westernism and women's rights, so they feel the need to oppress their women even further. They don't view women as equals, but rather as property.
    • pilgrim3970, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5But when it is strictly about nothing but observance of the letter of the law - regardless of how that is accomplished - what do you expect?

    • picardo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@cassholio

      I think that's not it. A society that treats women like property is Saudi Arabia. In Iran, women have the right to vote, right to work outside home, and the right to travel, and they have power. Around 30 percent of Iranian parlimentarians are women (I'm not sure of the exact figure, but it's very high for an Islamic society.) They are equals of men in almost every way, and the practice of sigheh is only another sign of their equality. If you look at this practice without bias, it actually empowers both men and women to step out of the strict societal norms about unmarried couples from interacting with each other. Temporary marriages are contractual agreements, like prenups, and these let you specify what the marriage will entail. This means you can make a prenup for a marriage without sex--make a temporary marriage just to get to know a person, without being hounded by the religious cops. I would say it's, on average, a good thing.
  • aceg1357, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23Not hypocritical at all.
    Women are property in Islam.
    One of the "benefits" of being rich in Islam is to have more than one wife with more than a few short marriages.
    Kind of a headache to have more than 1 wife if you ask me.
    I remember being in Dubai and when a guy bought something for one wife, he had to make sure to buy 3 of everything less the other 2 wives would be jealous.
    • mikesbaker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9one wife is more than enough trust me
    • Khuffie, on 10/12/2007, -8/+0I could argue the opposite, that women are property in the western world and not so in Islam. How? Women change their last name to the husbands last name, since they become the husband's property. In Islam and in the Arab world, women don't, and never have, change their last name when they get married.

      So get off your high horse and stop spreading blatant bs.
    • Habemus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3>"In Islam and in the Arab world, women don't, and never have, change their last name when they get married."

      So Suha Arafat was an Arafat before she married Yassar?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suha_Arafat


    • Habemus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4>"Women change their last name to the husbands last name, since they become the husband's property. "

      Women in the west do not "become the husband's property." The marriage is a legal union where two separate people become under the law one legal entity where each is empowered to act equally in legal matters.
    • Nichiryo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0First of all, there is no such thing as short marriages in Islam.
      Secondly, Islam Does Not have sects. Most Iranians are Shiites and Shiites are not Muslims, their scholars say so, they only name themselves 'Muslims' to cause misconception about Islam.
      Thirdly, What do you mean by the "benefits" of being rich in Islam? Would You People Stop Talking *****!!
      You don't get to marry more than wife because your rich, people that do it because of that are retards! You are allowed to merry more than one only if you are able to treat every single wife of yours equally. There are some people that are able to do so, such as Prophet Muhammad, but you tell me, who else in this imperfect world would be able to do so?
      If you can't handle it, You don't marry more than one, that's the law, all that do so when they can't handle treating them equally and so on are all ignorant people.

      You people really need to wake up from the "media-coma", stop believing whatever you hear, or read. Now, who said that the wife becomes the husband's property in Islam? So they show you on TV that Muslims treat their wives badly? Bull Crap!
      Muslims treat their wives better than non- Muslims. Who else has a whole chapter in their holy book on how to treat women equally? Which was the first religion to talk about women rights? please go back and check authentic history books, look at how women used to be treated in the west and how they are still treated. They are treated as objects, of sex, of discrimination, of advertisements and of other retarded mentalities, don't go blabbing about women's rights. You 'claim' to have women rights don't you? Don't make me list all that denies that. In the past, Women never had any rights in the west and they still don't, don't give me any buts and whatnots.
      So you see on the news that... in blablabla Muslim/Arabic country they discriminate their wives, hit them and whatever, then they show you this video to prove it? Or they show this report about a Muslim woman saying her husband abused her, please tell me how much the couple got paid to fake one for the media( there are some cases where this actually happen, what's retarded in it is that you go and blame it on Islam huh? why not blame it on the ignorant person that knows nothing about Islam and and how to treat his wife correctly?) honestly you people who believe this crap are just like a little kid getting tricked by a lollipop or whatever.
      You go and prove that actual citizens of any Muslim country treat their women in such a way! It's just the leaders that do it, they are the one that command the police force of doing such criminal acts, all under the pressure of the U.S, for them to get it on film and start spreading all these misconceptions on Islam, so now your saying this is *****? This is how your sick world is run! and what is even more sick is that some mindless idiots fall for such crap!
    • aristotle0dude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Most Iranians are Shiites and Shiites are not Muslims, their scholars say so, they only name themselves 'Muslims' to cause misconception about Islam."

      Funny, that's what the Shiites say about Sunnis.

      I suppose it is ok for Mohammed to have a 9 year old wife because he was a prophet right?
    • aceg1357, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Thirdly, What do you mean by the "benefits" of being rich in Islam? Would You People Stop Talking *****!!"

      That came directly from more than one Muslim acquaintance in Dubai and isn't from TV. So tell them they are talking ***** yourself.
      To be able to have a wife, you have to be able to afford to feed, clothe, and take care of another person. Thus poor people cannot have 2 wives.
    • redstinger, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0seriously, the western media have done too much damage to islam's image. even some of my friends who are muslims tend to think the "western way", only to revert to the right ideology once they consult their "clerics". There are just too many things that seem to be sanctioned under islam but are continuing till today because of the Arab's weatherproof cultures, which are inhumanely bad before Islam, and still looking bad for some arabs even today. About women's rights, there are many stated explicitly in Quran - and especially Hadiths, which many non-muslims overlook - that women are to be treated as equally as any muslims. they have to seek knowledge, can rule over people people. an example would be the girl in the spotlight, Aisha. Muslim men asked for islamic knowledge from her, followed her instructions during times of distress etc. they recognised her intelligence and adversity, so she deserved to be followed as a leader. So, please read up the correct, raw history of islam - not opinion-history sites - like what I'm doing now just for the sake of knowing the world much better and how different religions try to make the world better.
    • Nichiryo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ aceg1357
      "That came directly from more than one Muslim acquaintance in Dubai and isn't from TV. So tell them they are talking ***** yourself.
      To be able to have a wife, you have to be able to afford to feed, clothe, and take care of another person. Thus poor people cannot have 2 wives. "

      Saying that Being rich is what allows a person to marry more than one? That's a Hell NO!
      Offcourse, if someone is going to marry more than one, he's got to be able to afford it!, that's common sense, anyone should know that don't you think?
      Most Importantly, if he is going to, he must be able to treat all of the wives equally, that includes love, spenditure, time etc. If he can't then he Should Not. If he is able to then what's wrong with that? Isn't it better than having a wife then having a couple of affairs with ex's, which always leads to marriage problems and divorce.
      Please do tell me how many people suffer from marriage problems and divorces because of affairs and previous relationships?
      Islam puts an end to such problems and many others.
    • aceg1357, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ Nichiryo

      "Please do tell me how many people suffer from marriage problems and divorces because of affairs and previous relationships?
      Islam puts an end to such problems and many others."

      So are you really telling me Muslims don't have marriage problems due to relationships with other people?

      Even excluding other relationships, if you talk to a man with 2 wives, he will tell you he has had marriage problems just between the wives.
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  • thepompano, on 10/12/2007, -13/+24Hold on a second. An article from the Jerusalem Post about Iranian affairs? If what this article says is true, then it's pretty awful - but I'm a little skeptical.
    • Habemus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Either the story is accurate or it is not. If it's accurate, the fact that it comes from the Jerusalem Post should not matter at all.
  • TonyTheTerrible, on 10/12/2007, -12/+8AFK moving to iran
  • lxdengar, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5Has this been reported anywhere else?
  • TheToecutter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Regardless of whether is right or wrong, or legally correct...isn't this a blatant disregard for their religious belief? Fake marriages (with fees) so men can perv out on kids? Good to know moral hypocricy knows no religious boundary. :-/
  • velvethead, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19I wish my marriage had only lasted an hour.
  • mj80, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4That is sick
  • dooraque, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4Old news.
    • Markpdotcom, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Very old news... this practice has been going on in Iran for years. There was a very interesting BBC documentry (check their site, it may still be on there) about it. It also covered the huge market for people selling their organs.

      It seemed most of these women were addicted to drugs and needed these tempory marriages to support their habits.
    • Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Some news could do with occasional repeating though, especially if they're dugg up by enough users.
      This was personally the first time I heard it and I follow a number of news sites, and I'm happy it was posted.
  • bilbus, on 10/12/2007, -16/+5That's sweet, which way is mecca, I'm ready to convert!

    ..... what do you expect from people who's pastime is chopping off people's heads and public stoning.

    Temp marriages have been common place for a long time.

    I mean come on this religion was started by Mohammad The Pedophile Pirate!
  • pathy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20Prostitution should be legal everywhere.
    • Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14But not child exploitation.
    • Nogger, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Yes. And nowhere, neither in the original article, nor in other sources does it say that there is legally sanctioned prostitution with 9 year old children.

      a) Temporary marriage with women 9 yo and older is legal.
      b) The temporary marriage provision is used for sex outside regular marriage and for prostitution.

      Now the summary, because it follows an agenda, is worded towards the false conclusion "therefore, there is legal prostitution with 9 yo children".

  • baalzebub, on 10/12/2007, -10/+7this could be propaganda designed for shock value and hate...
    • Markpdotcom, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6The way the article is written, I'd say yes it is. This is not something new, why bring it up now?
    • IceZZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3==>.Ok...either it's propoganda (not true), or it's true. If it is true, why NOT bring it up now?

      Are people really this daft?? Truth has nothing to do with propaganda. Propaganda can be true OR false facts that are dragged out en force to pursuade the public to buy into the demonification of a particular country. Propaganda is ANY information that has an alterior purpose related to influencing public opinion.

      Hypothetical: For example, an article on the use of the atomic bomb on Japan might be dugg up during a period of conflict with Japan to "remind" the Japanese how much they should hate the US. That kind of thing.

      People just need to use their brains more, that's all.


  • montezumamike, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2What's the deal with stories hitting front page, and then hitting it again later? Are they being buried and then dugg back up or something?
  • drethedog, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Proud to be an American..... That's just sickening.....
  • somesthetic, on 10/12/2007, -13/+4If the 9 year olds want to have sex, then so be it.

    if someone is forcing 9 year olds to have sex, then there might be a problem there.

    I can't judge their culture based on mine though.
    • rockwellpa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11> If the 9 year olds want to have sex, then so be it.

      A 9 year old is not mentally developed enough to make that kind of adult decision.
    • Burninsensation, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@ somesthetic

      Apparently you're so open minded your brain fell out. A 9 year old isn't at a state of mental maturity to make decisions about sex. In fact, they're also most likely not at any state of sexual maturity whatsoever! Does any 9 year old inherently want to have sex? no. Now, might they prefer having sex to say, being beaten to death? maybe. But it's not consent when there's a gun to your head.

      Also, there's obviously something demented about someone who is sexually attracted to a 9 year old. And don't try to act like it's an innocent difference of culture. It is straight up unnatural to be sexually attracted to someone who is not sexually matured. It's a perversion either of the individual or, if culture must be blamed, of the culture.
    • Sun.Surfin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9At nine, were you mentally ready to have sex? I somehow doubt that. It's exploitation, and it's sickening. There's a reason that the age of consent is in place, and it's because there's a certain age at which you understand what's happening and are mentally developed enough for it. A nine year old is 1/ open to suggestion, and 2/ most likely not completely clear on the repercussions of having sex. It's wrong if the nine year old is "agreeing" to it or not.
    • somesthetic, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2I'm not here to argue about the maturity levels of 9 year olds.

      I'm just saying that if nobody is being forced into it, then it isn't a crime.

      stupid maybe.
    • Misogyny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5" A nine year old is 1/ open to suggestion, and 2/ most likely not completely clear on the repercussions of having sex."

      You've just described half the population.
    • lwdallas, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7@somsthetic
      "I can't judge their culture based on mine though"

      What kind of idiot says something like this? Why do people think this is Star Trek??

      YES--you do judge cultures based upon your own. We see insane behavior by people who want to hurt us and we resist. That's that we do. Otherwise, we would kneel and let people cut our heads off while chanting "I don't judge your culture based on mine. I don't ju---ckkk!".
    • somesthetic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2lwdallas

      What in the hell are you talking about?

      Where does not judging someone become getting your head chopped off?
    • nsharp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"If the 9 year olds want to have sex, then so be it."

      dude are you fckin crazy??!? Did you actually read what you wrote and think for a split second how insane it sounds? Even if you were being sarcastic that is just so disturbing.
    • Zzyw, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Nine year olds can have sex with other nine year olds, don't see nothing wrong with that.
    • somesthetic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1nsharp

      everyone is entitled to make their own decisions.

      if a 9 year old somewhere else in the world wants to have sex, will it hurt me? no. will it hurt anyone? no.

      it may hurt the 9 year old making the decision in some manner, but since when has anyone had to right to stop people from doing that to themselves?

      I don't stand outside tattoo parlors and try to convince girls not to get pixie tattoos because they'll regret it someday when they're smarter, and I'm not going to say a 9 year old cant decide to have sex because they'll regret it someday when they're smarter.

      in america, it's not legally sanctioned, so when it happens here it is criminal. in a culture where it is sanctioned, there is nothing outside parties can do. it's up to the 9 year old to make the decision.

      seacrest out.
  • CyPhiRevolution, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8It is kind of sad how this state puts itself on a pedestal as the "pure" state of the world, many say it is their job to cleanse the world of "American filth". But anyone who takes a closer look at the way people are treated in Iran and America can see that Americans have more rights and freedoms. Yet... there is still a whole generation in the middle east who still have this concoction in their minds that the United States in evil and the the so called "land of sin".

    This is not a matter of religion (aka Christian Values vs Islamic Values), in fact many former "christian states" has prostitutes and had some of these laws present in Iran regarding women. This is simply a matter of human rights. I hope one day they will open their eyes to the tyranny around them.
    • Gerz1219, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4You have to remember that from their point of view, "human rights" are a rationalization for Western cultural imperialism, and the freedom to sin should not be sanctioned by the state. Christianity emphasizes the concept of free will; Islam emphasizes submission to God's will. That's just one of many reasons that Christian societies have been able to successfully secularize, whereas Islamic societies are only becoming more fundamentalist. We can't reason with them, because their society is completely unable of producing the secular concept of religion as mythology. And the people are not going to "open their eyes", as long as they are taught nothing in school but the rote memorization of the Koran, which explicitly sanctions all of their cruel and oppressive practices.
    • DannoJyD, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7@CyPhiRevolution: There were Christian states had Nine Year Old Prostitutes?!?! Give proof of that, or STFU!
    • CyPhiRevolution, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@DannoJyD I don't know where you learned how to read but I said "some of the laws" not all. Christian states probably never had laws allowing 9-year olds to become wives but if you ever went to a history class, you would know many feudal lords in Europe would marry girls as young as 13.

      p.s Maybe you should spend less time writing 1-line worthless comments on digg, and more time reading up on your history and current events.
  • Chicagoland, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2So is this just another way to fund the religious war on western civilization?
  • archim3des, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Iran is so F'ed up, seriously wtf are they thinking you dont see any another muslim country doing anything like this. unbelievable..
  • neondiet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4
    Will anyone take a bet with me that on hearing about it, Garry Glitter will convert to Islam and apply for a Visa faster than you can blink. This kind of law will be a magnet to Pedo's all over the world.

  • RawShark, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Pimping out your 9 year old daughter = family values in Iran
    • AmirRaminfar, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4I don't think it is fair for someone to assume family values in another country when they have never visited. It's like assuming all Americans are all like the red necks who live in their trailer houses. I for one know many Iranian families who push their daughters to go to school and not even get married until they are done with school. I personally believe every culture has their low and high. The reason this law exists is because no matter how much the damn government tries to stop prostitution, they will never be able to stop it. It's like how America decided to not fight illegal immigrants getting their driver license.
    • Misogyny, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4"Pimping out your 9 year old daughter = family values in Iran"

      And Florida!
    • TexRob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah Amir, because when I think of what's similar to prostitution, I immediately think of giving illegal aliens drivers licenses...

  • muleking, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Women treated worse than anaimals? In an Islamic nation? No way!
  • Burninsensation, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1it all comes down to the mullah (ba-dum ch)
  • mozzep, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Maybe my statement is obvious, but this is no good reason to invade them. Sorry, but what they do in their own country is their own business as long as it doesn't interfere with ours.
    • tomcpp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0It IS a good reason to invade them. Along with many others. Or it is at least a good reason to have some anonymous cia guy kill some of these idiots.
    • spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This isn't a good reason to invade them, but human rights are definitely the business of other countries. If Iran won't defend its women then we must. There is no difference between evil and wilful ignorance of evil.
  • londubh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Mormons college students did it first. I read an article about some Mormon college students going off to Reno, NV getting hitched, consumating their marriage, divorcing, and then going back to school. Tried to find a link, but couldn't.
  • PopeOfDope, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8This isn't applicable to all Muslims. The temporary marriage thing is only allowed in Shi'ite Islam and not Sunni Islam. The reason for the discrepancy is Muhammad didn't condemn or allow this practice which was happening at the time. Shiites think since he didn't condemn it, it must be allowed whereas Sunni's believe it should be forbidden based on other laws about sex and marriage.
    However, even with temporary marriage, once it ends you cannot get married as there is a 2 month cooling off period. This is just to ensure that the marriage did not result in pregnancy. If the woman does get pregnant, there are a few extra things the male has to do before getting married again, I am unsure of the details.
    • flink405, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2What? Knock off the woman he got pregnant?
      And you act like all of this is okay. Bizarre.
    • tomcpp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1In any case paying for women is done in both schools. As are temporary marriages.
  • DavidDigg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Since Iran is now violating the sanctity of marriage, it is our sworn duty to God to invade their country. See, we can't let countries go around violating the sanctity of marriage and not do anything about it. We must wage war on Iran!

    ...and the sad part is: I bet at least 10% of Americans would buy this *****-for-brains argument
    • DannoJyD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4DavidDigg, 10% of Americans didn't post that rediculous idea. You did!

      Think about that.
  • Bytor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Actually I watched a documentary on this on TV: Prostitution behind the Veil.
    http://www.dfi.dk/tidsskriftetfilm/39/prostitutionbehind.htm

    It was a scary look inside Iran and the complete horror show that living under Sharia Law is.

    • floodmixed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Just pointing out, but this documentary claims prostitution is illegal.
      Also, the original JP article sites not one single source, is written in first person. News articles are not written in first person, opinion pieces are. This is key now because some (not all) people have a difficult time distinguishing between news (fact) and opinion (often based on fact, but not fact itself).
      The U.S. State department article on Iran claims the practice is widespread yes, but also illegal.
      The whole reason the JP article is shocking is because it claims the practice is legal and thus sanctioned by the government. Please take a second and think about such claims before repeating them as fact. Yes having sex with children is wrong. Yes it would be even worse for it to be legal, but check your source.
      There is an old saying in journalism, that most reporters are taught in school:
      "If your mother says she loves you, check it out."
    • Habemus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1>"The U.S. State department article on Iran claims the practice is widespread yes, but also illegal.
      The whole reason the JP article is shocking is because it claims the practice is legal "

      By that analogy, any article written in England in the 1930s about the widespread lynching of blacks in the American south at the time would not have been shocking because lynching was ostensibly illegal.

      I don't buy it.
  • kansascowboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6so pedophilia is ok in Iran, but being homosexual isn't? Homosexuals are executed and pedophilia is being OKed by the govt. I'm sorry but I find pedophilia to be "slightly" worse than homosexuality.
    • tripple-breve, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3"so pedophilia is ok in Iran, but being homosexual isn't? Homosexuals are executed and pedophilia is being OKed by the govt. I'm sorry but I find pedophilia to be "slightly" worse than homosexuality."

      Yeah, well, I find your comment to be slightly worse than completely stupid ***** ignorant.
  • pilgrim3970, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"Not only is it sad that they are doing this but with girls as young as 9? Thats just downright ***** up"

    Hey, Mohammed had no problem with it, why should his followers?

    • Quidam, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3stfu you'r such an ignorant bastard.
    • TrueVox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Wasn't Mohammed's "Ladyfriend" 6 when they were married? I realize that he waited 'till the ripe old age of NINE to bang her, but somehow, to me, six is another whole level below nine (not that nine is that classy either...).
  • Swift2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Never let any religious fanatics dictate your sexual practices. That should hold for us as well as them.

    And what a good market there is now for horror stories about Iran. The more we obsess about that, the more we'll go along with the impending invasion of the country. It's a crusade against Islamofascism!

    What regional power helped us defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan? Iran. What country offered much fuller cooperation? Iran. When it became clear to the mullahs that Bush was crazy, the "elected" their own version of Bush. Now, the anti-Islam "freedom fries" crackpots are doing their best to sell Iran as the new Nazi Germany so they can double down and invade Iran.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/20/washington/20intel.html?_r=1&ref=middleeast&oref=slogin

    Someone told that Bush doesn't take risks, that he's a gambler. "What's the difference?" I asked. "A risk-taker calculates what it would be like to win or lose and makes a reasonable choice. Gamblers can't stop until they're penniless and lying in their own vomit."
    • TrueVox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Gamblers can't stop until they're penniless and lying in their own vomit."

      Ah, I miss uncle Jim....
    • algo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0thanks for the sanity, as always it's sorely lacking here.
  • S1L3NTC, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Two words...

    NUKE IRAN

    Now that's PC!
    • IceZZ, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Congrats, you are doing exactly what the Bush administration wants: gather support against Iran through propaganda. How does it feel to be used?
    • S1L3NTC, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1@icezz

      Actually, I wouldn't know how that feels.
      Even though you might not agree with with my agenda, you shouldn't jump to the conclusion that I'm some right-wing, neo-con sheep.

      Want to stop the religious wars? I have an ugly method, but I'd guarantee its effectiveness. (I know I'm going to get slammed for this one.)

      Get the dirtiest nukes you can find with the longest half-lives for their associated fallout and target locations like Mecca, Medina, Mashhad, Hebron, Qom, Jerusalem, and Bethlehem.

      Of course, there would be some pretty strong backlash initially, but after a few hundred years without Hajj or pilgrimages, you'd break the back of the faith and the fighting would stop. In my opinion, this would beat people to killing each other due to differences in faith for the foreseeable future.

      Like I said, ugly, but effective.

    • Quidam, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Ever heard of the term CIVILIANS? The world needs less people like you. People die in wars including civilians and soliders. Of course, you're too stupid to realize that.
    • S1L3NTC, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@Quidam

      No, I'm not naive enough to think that nuclear weapons wouldn't kill indescriminately.

      Of course, religiously-motivated terrorists never kill any CIVILIANS in their suicide bomb attacks.

      I'm just putting one of the many extremes out on the table for discussion.
    • Todalion, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2IceZZ, Do you really think the Bush Administration is behind this article? Come on dude, give it a rest. Relax a little bit, take some deep breaths, and let go of all the hatred you have towards George Bush. He's a great president, yes, but I dont think he and his admin. control the media, I think thats reserved for the liberals. You prolly believe all the conspiracies as well.
    • Quidam, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@ S1L3NTC

      That doesn't mean we should stoop down to their level. Nuking another country for no valid reason makes us terrorists. The Iranian people aren't how they're portrayed in the media. In fact, did you know that one of the largest populations of Jews outside of Israel is in Iran?

      It's hard to talk to someone like you who's all "OMGZ like lets Nuke".

      Grow up.
    • S1L3NTC, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@ Quidam

      You seem to do a wonderful job of tearing down other peoples' ideas, but where is your contribution to the discussion?
      Unless you approve of raping children, why don't you share your ideas on how best to to handle this issue?

      My suggestion to nuke iran isn't a light-hearted affair (unlike drive-thru, religiously-sanctioned prostitution of young girls in the eyes of the Iranian government).

      I may also be considering the fact that they are known hostage-takers, sponsors of terrorism, and as soon as they have a viable nuclear weapon they are going to target someone who is in conflict with their belief system. Personally,I agree that we would sink to their level in the process, but I'd rather beat them to the punch.

      BTW, why don't you join the discussion instead of tearing people down? Do you feel insecure?
    • S1L3NTC, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@Quidam

      One more thing, If you would have read my first post completely, you would have noticed that I also chose Jerusalem and Bethlehem as targets.
      Didn't God deliver Isreal to the hands of its enemies? I know this will sound cold, but they handled the first exodus fine, so shouldn't they be able to weather another?
  • tripple-breve, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Meh, the xians are probably pissed they didn't think of it first. So much for religion's supposed morality.
    • Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Generalizing much? This Christian would be first in line to vote against any US political candidate proposing such a law here.
  • Septimus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+49? ***** pedophiles
  • IceZZ, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Do you think it's coincidence that "Iran sucks" articles are coming out at the same time as the US moves toward a war? You people need to read more historical books on propaganda. To gather support, the enemy must be demonified. Very old school propaganda technique.

    • floodmixed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Absolutely true. I'm not sure if anyone remembers this, but the tabloid news commentator Matt Drudge ran a story on his site last summer claiming Iran was passing a law requiring all non-Muslims (Christians and Jews) to wear "identification badges" at all times. Of course, this would have been insanely controversial...that is if it were true.
      The story was from Canada.com and quoted not one single named source. The only source mentioned was "someone close the the Iranian government."
      Bloggers discovered this was BS, Drudge took the story down but never retracted it or apologized.
      Just remember to question everything you hear. Hell, I might be a spy from Iran, making all this up to pacify the world. You don't know that, so check it out.
    • flink405, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2For so long the Muslim religion has been kept in the closet so to speak. Now with all the violence and Iran building an atomic bomb and threatening to wipe Israel of the face of the earth, it is natural for people to look behind the curtain and see who is behind all of this.
    • DannoJyD, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Do you think it is a coincidence that "Iran sucks" articles have been coming out for decades yet IceZZ pretends ignorance of that fact? Such is blatant propaganda.
    • Habemus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Do you think it's coincidence that "Israel Sucks" articles are coming out in Iran just as Iran gets nuclear weapon capable? The enemy must be demonified.
  • WiseWeasel, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Wow, at this pace, Iran will be more progressive than the US. When do we get the right to buy hookers?
  • cornfednbred, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The Japanese thought U.S. soldiers were going to rape and torture them, so much so that some threw their babies off of cliffs and jumped in after 'em rather than deal with the soldiers. Propaganda can make people do some stupid sh*t. Perhaps the story is true, it still would not justify a war with Iran. We have more than enough of our own problems to work out before we play moral authority to the world and ignite the most volatile region on Earth further than we already have.
  • tripple-breve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The way the article is written, I'd say yes it is. This is not something new, why bring it up now?"

    Guess...
  • garyh84, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Wait... maybe this is part of an agreement between the USA and Iran so all American pedophiles will flee to Iran?
  • redstinger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2hmm temporary marriage is okay in Shi'ite Iran but in the largely Sunni community in the world...it's is in fact forbidden due to many reasons, one of them being that prophet muhammad didn't practise temp marriage himself. About the 9-year-olds getting married off, it's actually unsurprisingly common in the (very very long, even before islam till immediate post-islamic period) past but the habit surprisingly didn't seem to wear off today in some groups of people even though the act is largely considered a paedophilic one. and with hard-lining Sharia' laws downright preventing prostitutions, and after all those "afterlife punishments" depicted in the Quran for prostitutions,fornifications etc, i bet some people are messing up with the laws to actually use them to their advantage, and because of that, many other bad things pop up. This is why Shiites and Sunnis are at odds against each other. But hey, take a very very good look around the world .... it's not just happening to iran, it's happening everywhere, even in everyday lives for some. what is the world coming to??? :'(
  • zoomtechtv, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Everyone should take a look at this video..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij0TnJzXtio
  • flink405, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Those whacky Muslims and their whacky ways to oppress women. ;-)
    Remember, the big Muhammed (founder of the M religion) married a 6 year old. He did however wait until she was older to have sex with her....until she was 9.

    Educate yourself on the Muslim "religion":
    http://www.answering-islam.org/
    • floodmixed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2This site sources only the Bible, which last time I checked is not the basis for this country's foreign policy (maybe it is). Also, the site's owners refuse to identify themselves, citing security issues.
      However, if you are going to make claims like you are aligned with worldwide Christian groups:
      "This all said, we are Evangelical Christians and agree without reservations with the statement of faith as given, for example, by the World Evangelical Alliance and the Lausanne Committee for World Evangelization."
      - http://www.answering-islam.org/about.html

      Isn't the hatred they fear their site will incite going to now be directed at the organizations they say share the same opinions? I wonder if those organizations officially endorse this site.
    • Mesum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2http://www.answering-christianity.com
    • JorgeGonzalez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3What's with the quotes around religion? It's a religion, just as ***** up as the rest.
    • Nichiryo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oh, please, stop being an ignorant fool and read the comment i wrote on about the marraige of a nine year old, you see the scientific and historic evidance? If your not convinced by that then O please go back to your useless ignorant comments that only show that you know nothing about what you are stupidly talking about.
  • knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1never heard of a holy pimp before.

    just last week was digged a vid about some muslim cleric describing the appropriate way to beat one's subhuman woman/slave
  • Sk3pt1k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The "muta" or temporary marriage was permitted by Mohammed b/c the men at war didn't have their wives but they didn't want to commit "zina" (sin) by raping the women. So, they were allowed to be temporarily married. Many Sunni's view this only as permissible during war time but is otherwise a sin, but it's generally viewed favorably by Shia. You can find these kind of arrangements pretty regularly in Muslim "personal" ads. The hadith granting this rule is:
    Narrated Abdullah:
    We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, "Shall we get ourselves castrated?" He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry women with a temporary contract AND RECITED TO US: -- ‘O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression.’ (5.87) (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 13o)

    Sunnis appeal to other hadith to nullify the law:
    Narrated 'Ali bin Abi Talib:
    On the day of Khaibar, Allah's Apostle forbade the Mut'a (i.e. temporary marriage) and the eating of donkey-meat. (Sahih Bukhari 5.527)

    The rule is stretched to embrace nine-year-old girls because Mohammed married Aisha when she was six and consummated with her when she was nine. Since Mo is considered the "perfect man" in Islam, emulating his behavior, including marrying a nine-year-old, is considered a good thing. All the new Iranian law does is take mode of Mohammed to it's logical result, as disgusting as it may be.
  • floodmixed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0The above video has nothing to do with either child marriages or prostitution. Plus it's from FoxNews. They wouldn't have any kind of anti-Iranian agenda would they? Of course not.
  • Maddoktor2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0(Homer)mmmmm....MORE propaganda.....(/Homer)
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