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- inactive, on 06/14/2009, -2/+114I hope iranians get the freedom they deserve.
- Soughtout, on 06/13/2009, -4/+94This is a sad day for Iran. There is a culture war going on in that country. It is a war between those who want to rule by dictatorship and those who want to have meaningful relationships with the rest of the role and live in 21st century modernity. It is supremely unfortunate that the Ayatollah and Ahmadinejab believed the only way they could remain in power is by thwarting the expressed will of their on people.
- dissolutionman, on 06/14/2009, -2/+67Foreign reporters have reportedly been asked to leave the country. I hope this doesn't turn into Tiananmen 2.
The Revolutionary Guard did warn they would crack down on this kind of thing. I fear for the protesters, and sincerely hope they succeed.
For some excellent coverage of all this:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_di ...
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
http://niacblog.wordpress.com/
http://www.iran101.blogspot.com/
http://tehranbureau.com/ - diemunkiesdie, on 06/14/2009, -4/+56From the twitter user (twitter.com/tehranelection) that was linked in the article:
# My Father has a truck load of ballot boxes that were to be burned in the back of his truck.about 4 hours ago from web
# My uncle tells me that throughtout most cities Mahmoud Ahmadinejad people had ballot boxes burned.about 4 hours ago from web
# My uncle, who is a police officer, told me that they went to three polling places and opened every ballot box and burned all the ballots...about 5 hours ago from web
# for Mir-Hossein Mousavi.about 5 hours ago from web
That's very interesting to hear, because it sounds like this guy/girls father has proof of voter fraud. If nothing he has boxes that were not counted in the election. Very, very interesting. - RansomHoldiay, on 06/14/2009, -2/+52haha "free" elections?
they loose all credibility when you take out cell phone service, commit widespread voter fraud and disenfranchisement, take down opposition websites, surround newspaper offices with armed men, and place your opponent under house arrest and arrest many of his supporters.
in the end they will get what is coming to them. history has shown that to be true. - msnger, on 06/14/2009, -3/+51"A patriot must always be ready to defend
his country against his government."
-Edward Abbey
good luck to the Iranian People. - FearlessFreep, on 06/14/2009, -5/+46"We got rid of Bush and Cheney and kicked the GOP out of power... proving to the world that it is possible to get rid of dictatorial regimes"
Um, by waiting eight years until their terms ran out? - SirRudy, on 06/13/2009, -7/+47I just read that Mousavi is under house arrest. lots of videos coming up on twitter.
Check out #iranelection - CaptDD, on 06/14/2009, -5/+37If the election was counted "fairly" then why not encourage an OUTSIDE group to CONFIRM the count!
- wiggles, on 06/14/2009, -2/+30I no longer think it's Ahmadinejad. It's the Ayatollah.
I think the Ayatollah basically said that no matter who wins, Ahmadinejad wins.
I hope the people rise up against him, and I hope the bloodshed when they do is kept to a minimum. - Hempy1, on 06/13/2009, -1/+26There may yet be an even more heavy-handed crackdown on protesters and their organizers by Ahmadinejad.
- mohajaf, on 06/14/2009, -3/+27Let me put it in perspective for you: imagine G.W Bush is running for president, Jeb Bush is the one who counts the votes, and Carl Rove is the only entity who is in charge of overseeing the process for correctness and accuracy. If anybody has complaints, the only place to file their complaint is with Carl Rove, and there is no higer authority to whom you can complian if you don't like how Rove does his job. That is how this election was conducted in Iran.
- Depthfunction, on 06/14/2009, -3/+22Down down Ahmadinejad!
Down down Ahmadinejad! - dissolutionman, on 06/14/2009, -0/+19Jason Jones went over there before they even started voting.
I pity idiots who don't know what the ***** they're talking about. - mohajaf, on 06/14/2009, -2/+17I am an Iranian living in The US.
You must be joking. There is no comparison between what happened in The US and what is going on in Iran. As much as I disliked the Bush administration, to call it dictatorship is too much. The mere fact that they had to hire lawyers who would go out of their ways to find legal justification for their plots proves that there is such thing as law and due process, there is such thing as courts of law and the supreme court. The fact that the system is so that they had to conduct fair elections in which their opposing party won majority in the house and then the white house.
Conservatives in Iran never allow even the resemblance of fair election. Previously the Guardian Counsil which is supposed to oversee the correctness of the election process would mess with the votes to change the results with few percetiles only. This time all evidence indicates that the government did not even count the ballots. They just invented utterly unbelievable numbers and announced them before the sonrise. What we have in Iran now is nothing short of a coup d'eta.
- Tanktunker, on 06/14/2009, -0/+15Oh, I get it, because Bush was talking about freedom and liberty while killing hundreds of thousands of innocents.
But he's gone now, and that rhetoric is too, you're going to have to move on. - quaxon, on 06/14/2009, -0/+14YES absolutely. especially with the recent transition to diebold vote machines.
- inactive, on 06/14/2009, -3/+17Most Americans expressing outrage now were not even born in 53, let alone knowledgeable about Iranian government and the extent of the American/British governments meddling in it.
- hangingchad, on 06/14/2009, -0/+14It's always been the Ayatollah. He's the puppet master who has been pulling Ahmadinejad's strings for years.
- Coven, on 06/14/2009, -2/+15what are you going on about?
- Shaggy3, on 06/14/2009, -3/+16Sorry, CNN is busy reporting on Sr. President Bush's skydiving that happened 3 days ago.
- Uberfat, on 06/14/2009, -3/+16This is what the extreme religious right wants for America. A Christian theocracy to force their beliefs on every citizen. This is conservatism in action.
- inactive, on 06/14/2009, -2/+14its probably true that fraud is happening... but you are seriously believing some person on twitter? really? ....
- URnotheonly1, on 06/14/2009, -2/+13Support the Iranian resistance. Democratic Iran!
- DevilInPgh, on 06/14/2009, -0/+11@stvtraveller: the same reason reporters went to Moscow during the Cold War.
- FreakyT, on 06/14/2009, -1/+12Yes, but we did that by voting against them. The Iranian people apparently did something similar, but there the old administration wasn't quite so willing to play by the rules.
- DevilInPgh, on 06/14/2009, -2/+12Try watching #CNNfail, which btw is a trending topic on Twitter right now. The Twitterati are absolutely outraged there's no coverage on any of the three cable news networks. Sure, CNN International is now doing something, but it isn't being simulcasted in the US.
- diemunkiesdie, on 06/14/2009, -3/+13You are right, there is no reason to believe the twitter guy, but if you read from the beginning of his stream (he has only posted maybe 30 tweets so it shouldn't take long to get through) the rest of the stuff he says sounds pretty legit.
Now I'm not saying the stories he heard from his Uncle are legit, but if he has physical proof of ballot boxes (that he claims are in his fathers truck) then he might have something there. It could all be false, but it is still very interesting and very telling that these kinds of rumors are being spread. There is usually a grain of truth to rumors so there could definitely have been some vote tampering. We will just have to keep watching and see what happens! - KaivenTor, on 06/14/2009, -1/+10This may very well turn out to be a very bloody event in the country's history. I know most people wish we could go back in time and reverse some of things that the US has done (Operation AJAX, installing the Shah, etc.), but the way it is is the way it is. For now the US cannot intervene as that would only serve to strengthen the Ayatollah's position. Should a civil war break out though, I have a feeling that it might be time for the CIA to make up for some of their mistakes in the past. But that's just conjecture. I really hope this can be a bloodless revolution and that the country can finally reconcile both it's religious and secular sides. They really do deserve to have peace and freedom in that country and the region around them could certainly benefit from a stable Iran.
- mohajaf, on 06/14/2009, -1/+10Normally I'd be on your side, but this time I beelieve you are missing the point. Contrary to what you say, what i shappening in Iran (my own country) is unfortunately bad, really really bad.
Unlike Saudi Arabia, in Iran millions of people and tens of reform organizations and movements have tried long and hard to bring about change, and all they have received in response has been crackdown and oppression. There is a different between the one who tries and the one who doesn't there is also difference between two people who try, in the ways and means each one chooses.
Mossadeq tragedy happened in 1953. There wasn't any of today's media or Internet at that time. That might explain to you why there wasn't any outcry. - shdwfx, on 06/14/2009, -5/+14What's happening in Iran is very bad, assuming that the elections were stolen; which seems likely at this point.
That aside, the outrage that this receives here, mostly by Americans, is also quite noteworthy. There are less democratic countries in the Gulf region: Kuwait and Saudi-Arabia, for example. I don't recall much public outrage about those dictatorships. Nor did the people of the US care much when the CIA helped to oust democratically elected president Mossadeq in Iran in '53, and supported the Shah as a dictator for 26 years.
So, guys, explain to me why this is so fundamentally different that you're all up in arms about it... - rpgmakr, on 06/14/2009, -0/+9It's funny 'cause in my country (and in many other Latin American countries) there are delegates from other countries keeping an eye on our elections. Americans primarily...
- SpinningHead, on 06/14/2009, -0/+8The Bush doctrine is what has gotten people like Ahmadinejad elected in the first place. We need to nurture our relationship with the huge Iranian youth population that is hungry for reform.
- sutherbj, on 06/14/2009, -2/+10Goddamnit, go die in a ***** fire you *****.
- inactive, on 06/14/2009, -3/+11I believe hes saying the CIA is poisoning the crying fire dog baby in sky and its crying really loud in his head. He also wants to know if you can spare a dollar.
- blairmiller, on 06/15/2009, -0/+7this is definitely the best source for up-to-date, quality information on Iran. The American television channels have just done an awful job reporting this. I understand there is a lack of video and sound from your own crews...but go online! An endless source of freelancers. Here is a list FULL of them - people tweeting from Iran in English:
http://digg.com/world_news/List_of_English_languag ... - roodammy44, on 06/14/2009, -1/+8Interesting how you'd like to kill Iranians and yet your brother is in northern tehran (from your other comments)
Go back to under the bridge where you came from, troll.
Blocked and reported. - dissolutionman, on 06/14/2009, -1/+8I wouldn't be too sure. Do we know who this is? Why should we believe this person? For all we know it could be merely a rumor, or an outright lie.
I'm pretty certain this is a case of a massive election fraud, but I'd like to see some corroboration of this before I believe it. - SPNKrPunk, on 06/14/2009, -3/+10This is so sad. I was really hoping for a more moderate administration, so some of the rather inflamitory rhetoric between the US and Iran would go away.
Alas, my hopes for a better world seem to be dying again... - diggimator, on 06/14/2009, -0/+7CaptDD is suggesting there be international election monitors in place. They'll just watch to determine whether there was fraud or not, but they won't actually run the election. US has had foreign election monitors visit for their presidential election before as well.
- praisethelard, on 06/14/2009, -2/+9Were you alive and in the USA in 1953 to know that no American cared about U.S. intervention in Iran? And considering it was a CIA operation, would most Americans even know it was going on?
- fiorastar, on 06/14/2009, -0/+7In Saudi Arabia, nobody is trying to claim there is any democratic control of leadership. The Saudi government has always been a monarchy. If the people of Saudi ever try to change that, I would be supportive, but it is not Americans' place to decide that.
In contrast, in Iran, what happened in the 50's and even in the 70's was not something within the knowledge of most Americans--both because it was secret CIA operations that the US was involved in, and because there was no internet, no cell phones, not even a lot of travel to those regions by Americans--and of those who were not IN the government (as ambassadors and their staff, for example) the travelers were not allowed to know what was going on.
What is happening today is very different. There is a large proportion of young people and women trying to take back their country from a theocracy that has become very repressive and belligerent to the rest of the world. The Presidential election there is recognized by all as a very small step in that direction--nobody is fooled that the President of Iran has much power...but even the rhetorical attitude and the leadership in the public face can make a difference. These people have had their voices stolen from them in full view of the world. - jrobbi, on 06/14/2009, -6/+13It's official, Iran is now a dictatorship...
again. - Uberfat, on 06/14/2009, -1/+8"I'd like to export some Freedom via bombs and death."
And maybe export another "Final Solution" while your at it? "Git er dun" is NOT a sustainable foreign policy. - NCSD, on 06/15/2009, -1/+7This is what happens when you have religious nutjobs in charge of a country.
- kilowat, on 06/15/2009, -0/+6how do you count Million of votes in 2 hours ?
how do you loose votes in your home town ? - drmangrum, on 06/14/2009, -9/+15Ask yourself if you would want the same thing for your country. Would you really want the the UN or some European nation verifying presidential elections?
The true solution is an open recount of all the ballots. An outside country CAN'T do it. It must be done BY Iranians FOR Iranians. - schkura, on 06/14/2009, -1/+7And I would like to export you.
- kanojo1969, on 06/14/2009, -1/+7It's not a sad day at all, the people are asserting themselves, revolution won't be far away. No despotic regime in history has survived a genuine large-scale revolt.
I can't for the life of me understand why you think it's sad. Just think, if Bush/Cheny and friends had their way, we would probably be mired in another war there, and Ahmadinejab would be locked in as leader for the next few decades. But instead, we've got the possibility of a genuine democracy being formed and we now have the right President for the job of re-establishing relations.
Things might just work out pretty well. - kathysartcom, on 06/15/2009, -0/+6WEAR GREEN, Blog, Twitter.. Support the people of Iran.
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