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- Janinco, on 06/02/2009, -1/+48Nothing surprising about this.
- purag66, on 06/02/2009, -4/+49Today = June 02
Tienanmen Crackdown = June 04, 1989
Wait a week or two, and everything will be online again. - freezerburn666, on 06/02/2009, -8/+47true.. but twitter does suck
- Subduction, on 06/02/2009, -0/+34From the New Yorker:
"When people began rioting in Lhasa in March, Tang followed the news closely. As usual, he was receiving his information from American and European news sites, in addition to China’s official media. Like others his age, he has no hesitation about tunnelling under the government firewall, a vast infrastructure of digital filters and human censors which blocks politically objectionable content from reaching computers in China. Younger Chinese friends of mine regard the firewall as they would an officious lifeguard at a swimming pool—an occasional, largely irrelevant, intrusion.
"To get around it, Tang detours through a proxy server—a digital way station overseas that connects a user with a blocked Web site. He watches television exclusively online, because he doesn’t have a TV in his room. Tang also receives foreign news clips from Chinese students abroad. (According to the Institute of International Education, the number of Chinese students in the United States—some sixty-seven thousand—has grown by nearly two-thirds in the past decade.) He’s baffled that foreigners might imagine that people of his generation are somehow unwise to the distortions of censorship."
"Angry Youth" -- The New Yorker, 7/28/08 - sonofabiscuit, on 06/02/2009, -14/+39Diggers are going to explain how this is such a good thing because everyone seems to subscribe to the "Twitter sucks" groupthink.
But really, this is absolutely horrible. The one way you can get people to change their government is through education and free speech, and since the Chinese government is censoring more and more of it, there doesn't seem to be much hope in transforming it into a democracy. - Dustin00, on 06/02/2009, -1/+24Ah! So they've started their celebration of the Tiananmen Square anniversary!
Do they know how to party, or what? - jaimequin, on 06/02/2009, -0/+22This just in, China's productivity has increased 100%
- xmanfu, on 06/02/2009, -2/+22It is very bad news....
- Frazzlet, on 06/02/2009, -5/+25Apart from twitter. That's a blessing.
- kemp34, on 06/02/2009, -2/+21Looks like they have an issue with Microsoft.
- kolop1, on 06/02/2009, -3/+21They may was well turn the internet off.
- darkism, on 06/02/2009, -1/+10OH NO, NOT BING! They really cut off a TON of traffic there.
- Subduction, on 06/02/2009, -0/+9You, uh, got a little racist there bro.
- purag66, on 06/02/2009, -2/+11The Chinese people have made a Faustian bargain with the PRC government; dictatorship in exchange for economic prosperity. This may seem outrageous from an academic point-of-view, but you can't blame any single individual for trading silence for money, wealth, and prestige.
- baiwushi, on 06/02/2009, -1/+9I thought these sites have been blocked already? I remember the last time I went to China, I couldn't even log on to check my email...
- rmxz, on 06/02/2009, -0/+7Why are people voting him down?
Internet users around the world *actually can* unite and save chinese Internet.
Here's one way you can help: http://tor.eff.org
You can run a tor node on your machine and help provide bandwidth to this encrypted anonymous proxy network that's quite effective at bypassing the Chinese firewall. I'd elaborate on how and why it's effective but the EFF site I linked to explains it better than I can by making tor traffic look(IIRC) just like any other encrypted https traffic. But suffice it to say that indeed, internet users can unite to accomplish stuff like this; so I'm digging the parent post up. - spook69, on 06/02/2009, -0/+7How nice of you to generalize the entire populace of a huge and vastly diverse nation into a homogeneous group...
As in any system, the entire group is not going to subscribe to any one ideal, and the Chinese are far from "just sitting there and accepting it." I know for a fact that a large portion of Chinese internet users actively work to bypass content filters, and are certainly very concerned with issues of human rights and free speech in their country and throughout the world. For some people who seems to consider themselves well-versed in the way things work on a global scale, you seem awfully narrow-minded in your assessment of these brilliant Chinese mathematicians. - abadonn, on 06/02/2009, -0/+7Blogger is also blocked, but LiveJournal is not. They're really hit and miss.
- mr138, on 06/02/2009, -3/+10The Chinese are not born with a mutation that causes them to figure out math equations any better then anyone else.
- ismaelan, on 06/02/2009, -5/+9Internet users around the world unite and save chinese Internet!
- Subduction, on 06/02/2009, -1/+5There's a difference between "groupthink" and "simultaneous conclusion."
- mr138, on 06/02/2009, -0/+4That guy is a condescending ass. Good watch though.
- SarahC, on 06/02/2009, -1/+5UK next. =(
- Nouman6, on 06/02/2009, -0/+3they blocked that text too.
- nyxerebos, on 06/02/2009, -0/+3+5 insightful
- inactive, on 06/02/2009, -1/+4And nothing of value was lost.
- elgourmet, on 06/02/2009, -0/+3A seventh part of the worlds population! This is insane...
- JackSchittt, on 06/02/2009, -0/+3What does this have to do with China? Post this with one of the many articles discussing North Korea.
Despite being off topic, I dugg you anyway just because that documentary is actually really good -- even though it's a couple years old. - rikwakefield, on 06/02/2009, -1/+4You couldn't be further from the truth
- MrJagil, on 06/02/2009, -0/+3Even after all those xbox announcements!?!?
- benjp2k1, on 06/02/2009, -1/+4Racist prick
- nullcodes, on 06/02/2009, -0/+3Wow, Bing must be happy they were thought of as significant enough to be banned.
- Subduction, on 06/02/2009, -0/+3The US has its own problems to solve, but saying that it is "not much better" shows a vast ignorance of either the US or China.
It's hyperbole like that that interferes with people actually trying to raise awareness about the true nature of a police state. - TigerStar337, on 06/02/2009, -0/+2The China Internet blocks are easy to get around if people learn what a proxy server is.
- TigerStar337, on 06/02/2009, -0/+2All power corrupts, but we need the electricity.
- evisr8r, on 06/02/2009, -0/+2thanks for the link, i'm only 2 vids in and it's already a great watch.
- borez, on 06/02/2009, -4/+6I'm not being funny, there's a Chinese guy who lives downstairs and he showed me that China and the east has it's own set of social sites, message boards, email providers, social music sites etc. all in their own language, so why the ***** would do we assume they would be using any of these unreadable Western cultured sites anyway? It's completely ***** foreign to them. Do we use any Japanese language sites on a regular basis? No.
- negativerad, on 06/02/2009, -0/+2It's to bad they can't just block twitter in the US too...
- atomheartmother, on 06/02/2009, -1/+3I've known rabid rednecks that can construct better sentences than you.
- Subduction, on 06/02/2009, -0/+2Different outlets have different biases, controls, owners and agendas, and sorting those out is a major challenge in the United States. But asserting that between the MSM, digg, Twitter, blogs, forum comments, personal web sites, Youtube videos, e-mail, SMS, and more, every passing American thought, whether it be subversive or inconsequential, doesn't have the opportunity to bubble into the public consciousness is ridiculous.
The most conservative estimates put China's capital punishment rate at over three times that of the US, although we can't even be sure of that number because it's a state secret. Many people are in prison, being tortured, and facing the death penalty specifically because of what they say in print.
So on a civil rights basis, saying the United States is "not much better" is like saying that a limousine without a full bar is "not much better" than not having enough to eat -- a luxury problem from someone so spoiled he doesn't even know how good he has it. - Dundaman, on 06/02/2009, -0/+2I thought it was already at 110%. Now youre just over working them!
- nicodemus26, on 06/02/2009, -0/+2It's an interesting documentary, but the narrator is ethnocentric as *****.
- mrkredo, on 06/02/2009, -3/+5***** twitter!
- inactive, on 06/03/2009, -0/+1Are they blocking the chinese bot farmers too?
- Subduction, on 06/02/2009, -0/+1Whose going on without doing anything? There are very active free speech and human rights movements in China, Taiwan, and in ex-pat communities in countries all over the world.
A good way to get educated on them might be to volunteer your time at one, yes? - ArchangelZLT, on 06/04/2009, -0/+1@mattlb76:
It's June 4. Or May 35 as the Chinese are forced to say. - compucomp2, on 06/03/2009, -1/+2If by "innocent lives" you mean "Western sponsored terrorists who captured a cache of weapons and were holed up and barricaded in the center of our capital city trying to foment a revolution to create a Western imperialist puppet government", then you'd be right.
Of course, Western media won't report it like this, because it was their puppet insurgency that was smashed brilliantly. Their ploy to make China fall like the USSR failed utterly. - JohnnyDIGGme, on 06/02/2009, -12/+13China Sucks
- nyxerebos, on 06/02/2009, -0/+1or Australia
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