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- abburdlen, on 10/11/2007, -34/+119Sure why not call out Iran. Things went so well in Iraq.
- EntropyMan, on 10/11/2007, -31/+82It's worse than that. FTA (quoting an expert):
“The problem with the two-track policy is that the first track — coercion, sanctions, naval deployments — can undercut the results on the second track,” said Ray Takeyh, an Iran scholar at the Council of Foreign Relations and the author of “Hidden Iran: Paradox and Power in the Islamic Republic” (Henry Holt, 2006).
Remember how Nancy Pelosi was called a traitor for talking to Syria when we said we wouldn't, and how Condi then went a month later to finally do her job? Well Cheney has officially (yet again) committed treason in exactly the way conservatives claimed Pelosi did, but this time there's actual harm.
If the State Department is conducting diplomacy, it is in our interests to let their work succeed (assuming it's a serious attempt). If Dick goes mouthing off and undermines our diplomatic efforts, he's undermining the foreign policy of the United States. If Cheney's comments cause Iran to withdraw from our tenuous dialog, he will have severely damaged the interests of the US, which lie in getting Iran to _peacefully_ curb its nuclear program. Cheney's actions will cause it to do the exact opposite, not that we'll hear Condi complain publicly.
This man is a menace to our national interests and he must be held to account. The same thing happened with North Korea, btw, setting our efforts back almost 6 years. We threatened them after making a deal and they backed out. How stupid can you be? Six years later, we're almost back to where we were, and six years away from where we might be. - mikeman8905, on 10/11/2007, -50/+90Iran already has the upper hand in the Middle East. Going to war with Iran would be a huge mistake.
- quarando, on 10/11/2007, -5/+37I dislike Cheney as much as much as the next guy, but I find it scary that so many diggers are willing to translate their frustration with the administration into a defense if Iran. It is not just in the best interest of the US to prevent fundamentalist's from getting nuclear weapons, but is critical for all western liberal societies. I think it is pretty clear to almost everybody that the bush administration has been disastrous, but it is a mistake to use this as a cause for defending fundamentalists regimes.
- sonaro, on 10/11/2007, -37/+62http://www.americasmostunwanted.com/images/dick-cheney-carrier.jpg
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -58/+83Public servants to oil, the military industry, Israel and big corporate lobbyists but not to the American people.
- rpfsc, on 10/11/2007, -6/+29I really don't get this attitude.. The US is not perfect, so lets let Iran get nuclear weapons, lets criticize our gov't at any chance we get, let's just be completely vitriolic in our attacks of Bush and Cheney, all with little or no substantive arguments. Is this just a "moral relativity" argument? B/c Ahmadinejad was elected and Bush was elected, we have no right to criticize Iran? Iran supplies Iraqi fighters with IEDs and other weapon systems. Iran has called for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth. Iranian officials threaten world oil supply if we sanction them. Ahmadinejad wants to form a caliphate from Spain to Indonesia. Even the Iranian people, who are generally pro-American, don't approve of their own government. I think most of the people posting on Digg do not live in dictatorships where freedom of speech (i don't want to hear tirades about the Patriot Act --- it's not the same), freedom of religion, or freedom of the press is not the law. There are real dangers out in the world. Bush and Cheney are not dangers. The world is more complicated than silly arguments about Cheney and Halliburton and Bush and his Christianity. Until we admit that real dangers exist in the world, for example, the tyrannical Iranian regime obtaining nuclear weapons and immediately using them, we will eventually pay a heavy price for our ignorance.
- pintomp3, on 10/11/2007, -34/+57i'm tired of people who've never served in the military using armed forces to further their agendas.
- KhyberPass, on 10/11/2007, -16/+38I only hope that all you ignorant ***** calling for harm to Vice President Cheney end up in concentration camps with the Islamic terrorists. You are no different from them.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -8/+30All of you who say that it's wrong for Cheney to warn Iran to not cut off oil, I would love to see how much it affects you if and when they do that. If they did, we would basically be ***** as a country. Oh, and Dagon, you actually did break a law since that statement could be interpreted as a threat.
- twoof53, on 10/11/2007, -7/+28Look, most here are missing the material point.
It may come as a surprise to learn that the concern of the U.S. is INFLUENCE.
If a country wants nuclear weapons, and its security services are professional, and under the control of a government. What you need to understand is that there is little out of place with that, and less that we can do about it. Think India and Pakistan. They have nukes, and it was disconcerting when India started lighting them off like an 8 year old showing off his new fire crackers. Triggering the famously worrying series of tit for tat nuclear tests on the sub-continent. I don't think anyone would argue that we try to exert influence over India and Pakistan at this point to stop them from having nuclear weapons. That said, India and Pakistan are locked in a mutually assured destruction scenario, both countries have a professional military and very little influence outside of their own region. That is, Western governments have more INFLUENCE over Pakistan and India, than Pakistan and India have over Western governments.
Where we grow troubled is with non-western governments gaining symmetric, or in the case of China even asymmetrically favorable influence positions. Keep in mind that Iran has gained an enormous amount of INFLUENCE in the past 20 years WITHOUT having nuclear weapons. Of course, Iraqi, Israeli, Saudi and American missteps in the region have helped them out considerably. Ponder the fact that Iran was also a completely obliterated nation 20 years ago, and this achievement is even more impressive. It also makes you think differently about how to handle Iran, if we obliterate them again will they be back in 20 years even more pissed. Even worse, what if we fail to obliterate them. After all, no matter what happens now in Iraq, win or lose, other nations already think we are a paper tiger. If we have just as much trouble with Iran, they will KNOW we are a paper tiger. Sometimes it is better to be seen as being at fault, than not in control.
In short, Iran is a nightmare for the U.S. It is more democratic than our Arab allies, still an anti-American nation, and it actually has its act together. We've been running covert ops there for a while now, and I don't know if it is doing anything more than pissing the average Iranian citizen off. We don't see the growth in insurgent groups that you would associate with an unpopular government.
I think we will be obliged, in the end, to live with the influence that Iran already has in the region and the world. However, how to stop Iran's influence from growing is a challenging problem. I don't know what I think of Cheney's display. Becoming of a leader of a supposed HYPER-power, of course not. But, are threats and name calling part of what is left in our rapidly diminishing bag of options, I have to think so.
In the end, this is a story of pride. The U.S. wants to keep theirs, and so does Iran. If they keep on the same course though, it is looking more and more like they will BOTH lose in the long run. - BarneyF, on 10/11/2007, -9/+30@pintomp3
The point to the military is to serve a cilivian agenda. What you are saying is basically that the military should rule the country. I beg to differ. - psitech, on 10/11/2007, -2/+23Congratulations to you guys for finally making Digg irrelevant. I came to digg in order to find cool articles and tech news and was shocked to instead find crap like this posted over and over on the front page and throughout digg. I'm amazed at the amount of low lifes here. I guess I can understand though, I mean every other topic is about atheism or someone talking about assassinating someone, maybe it's normal for you people to not have any kind of moral compass.
Great job in turning Digg into the - truther/hate-blame america/hate the military/hate christians - site it has become. - nicku, on 10/11/2007, -25/+46I think we should drop Cheney on Iran and let him fight them himself.
- 450bigblock, on 10/11/2007, -6/+26Dagonthehague=future bitch in a federal pen. Enjoy your slow death from AIDS *****.
- THX1212, on 10/11/2007, -4/+24If anyone is interested, here is the Secret Service's list of field offices.
http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/field_offices.shtml
They encourage you to contact your local field office if someone has made a threat against a protectee. Feel free.
http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/faq.shtml - PainCompliance, on 10/11/2007, -13/+33Try two layers of tin foil and take the blue pill!!
Dear God I weep for the future with idiots like you around. Please, in the name of all that is holy, do not reproduce and further pollute the gene pool. - BevansDesign, on 10/11/2007, -20/+39Translation: we're going to attack Iran.
- masgrada, on 10/11/2007, -33/+51Yup. Good, you go and fight/die in Iran and send your kids too. I'll be moving to Australia.
- masgrada, on 10/11/2007, -9/+26Looks like it's party van time for someone.... : o *knock*knock* open up clinch! If that's your real name...
- KaserPro, on 10/11/2007, -16/+33its only illegal in the US, the land of free speech......
- rmblam, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17"The corruption of America's government makes the Iranian government look like a bunch of Dance Dance Revolution enthusiasts."
Riiiiight.....
But, you're right in one sense. The corrupt commnists/socialists have infected the Democratic party pretty deeply. It'll take some major extraction but we'll clean it out sooner or later. - InetRoadkill, on 10/11/2007, -27/+43Cheney can't do it all by himself. He'll need some help. Let's drop Bush, Perle, Wolfowitz, Rice, Rumsfeld, and Abrams as well to help out.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+23I'd like to see Cheney beat the ***** out of Ahmedinejad in the Octagon.
- InetRoadkill, on 10/11/2007, -27/+42Moving to Australia won't help. John Howard supports Bush and his war mongering as well.
- YoDiggity2, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18This thread is currently being ridiculed at Hot Air. You guys should check it out:
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/12/diggbats-give-thumbs-up-to-assassinating-cheney/ - DeathtotheSwiss, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17Truthers and Bush-Haters: One in the same?
- bamapachyderm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15Not that it matters, Kevlar--like these idiots read the article? All they saw was "Cheney." This whole thread just exists for diggtards to make comments like "assassinate Cheney" or "the US is the worst nation on earth" (paraphrased). It's a huge waste of bandwidth.
- thepompano, on 10/11/2007, -32/+46If your diplomatic leader is a crazy-son-of-a-bitch, and he has the power to put you on a boat and ship you off to die for his crazy-son-of-a-bitch cause, I'd be a little concerned.
- safarial, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14schmuck "let me guess... the US is a democratic nation?"
No, it's a republic.
Buy a clue, then get back to us on life and death issues. - TritonX, on 10/11/2007, -7/+20Hating Isreal != hating jews
- InsaneMachine, on 10/11/2007, -4/+17I guess clinch67didn't see this article http://digg.com/videos/comedy/whats_illegal_to_say
- fuze44, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16Samus, that "Beware the leader...for I am Caesar" quote is BOGUS. Do you also forward emails hoping for Bill Gates to give you money or free tickets to Disneyland?
I'm sure you agree with the message, but the fact that it's a faked quote detracts from any credibility. - EricCiccone, on 10/11/2007, -34/+46I don't understand, Iran has a democracy already, what does the Bush Administration hope to "accomplish"? We can't afford another war and I wish they would, for a change, concentrate on domestic issues, there's bigger problems over here than out there in Iran. Who am I kidding this Administration couldn't even handle a Hurricane, what good can they do?
- aceg1357, on 10/11/2007, -7/+19
"i'm tired of people who've never served in the military using armed forces to further their agendas. "
So I guess you are favor of it be mandatory for the President, V.P., and all members of congress having to serve in the military. Wow. - Lixie, on 10/11/2007, -53/+65Sure Chenney, let's do some more war. I'll go as soon as you suit up and head to the front lines yourself.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15DAGONthehauge, What you said in your comment could be taking as a threat, bet you wouldnt be so "bad ass" when guys in black suits come to your door
- rnwen2750, on 10/11/2007, -4/+16I have a problem with people saying that killing someone or other is a solution. In my opinion, it is a very poor and ignorant one. To do such a thing would plunge the nation into considerable terror and strife. And, guess what? We would become a police nation so fast we would all get whiplash. Besides that, killing someone because you disagree with them sounds an awful lot like terrorism.
- DeathtotheSwiss, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15Truthers and Bush-Haters: One in the same?
Hmmm... maybe that's too mean.
All truthers are Bush-Haters but not all Bush-Haters are truthers. Just most of them. - EntropyMan, on 10/11/2007, -5/+17I resent Cheney too, but don't call for violence. Please read on before digging me down in anger (because I'm on your side, really)
The more this government can claim a legitimate fear of violence, the more authoritarian they will become. It's a vicious circle that surrounds all dictators as they rise to power (just look at Amin, or Stalin).
Eventually, someone acts, and they feel justified in taking offensive action against all those who threaten them. And then they take action against those would simply criticize, or voice an opinion. It always happens the same way. Don't fall into the cycle of escalation.
DON'T GIVE THEM THE AMMUNITION THEY NEED TO ENSLAVE US. - mwayne, on 10/11/2007, -6/+17YES - another person who thinks!!
However, if you're expecting the Diggers to smack their head and exclaim - "OH MY was I an idiot for not understandng this? Thank you amerpun for pointing out my irrational thought patterns" - I think you and I and the others who recognize reality are wasting our breath.
But we'll keep trying - popothebright, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13So you're attitude is: "I don't care if another madman comes to power on the world stage, and annihilates millions of people -- just so long as its not me and my own?"
That's great. You're a poor excuse for a human.
And if you think that Ahmadinejad is "joking" or "not serious" then you're a jackass.
Here are just a few of the hundreds of scary Ahmadinejad quotes:
# "Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."
# "Remove Israel before it is too late and save yourself from the fury of regional nations."
# "The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."
# "If the West does not support Israel, this regime will be toppled. As it has lost its raison d' tre, Israel will be annihilated."
# "Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed."
# "Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm." - InetRoadkill, on 10/11/2007, -8/+19The nutjob in Iran (Ahmadinnerplate) doesn't control the military in Iran. He just likes to stir up ***** in the public forum to bolster his political standings. We do the same thing here. (Remember the Axis of Evil speech?) Political posturing for the sake of posturing is nothing new.
Iran's renewed interest in nukes is a direct consequence of the US's aggression in the middle east. Iran has learned that if you want the US to stay out of your backyard, you need nukes.
Attacking Iran would be a horrible mistake. The Iranians will fight to the last man and are far more cohesive than Iraqis. They are also more numerous than Iraq. - MrX1X2X3, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12iran should get nuked, but before they get nuked liberals should go move there
- mwayne, on 10/11/2007, -15/+26> Remember how Nancy Pelosi was called a traitor for talking to Syria when we said we wouldn't, and how Condi then went a month later to finally do her job? Well Cheney has officially (yet again) committed treason in exactly the way conservatives claimed Pelosi did, but this time there's actual harm.
As 2nd in command of the Executive Branch Cheney has every right to conduct diplomacy. Do you think he did it w/o Presidential approval and State Department knowledge?
Have you ever heard of "Separation of Powers"? Pelosi had no business doing what she did unless she had Bush's approval which is what happened with Bill Richardson going to NK - bamapachyderm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10@Beatmiser:
"there was a case of a recruiter allowing a severely autistic child to join the army"
Jesus. That's THE most ridiculous lie I've ever seen on the internets. Do you have no shame at all?
I would say I can't believe anyone would digg that comment up, but then after seeing the rest of this putrid thread, I'm quite unsurprised. - mwayne, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13@kolobcreek
EntropyMan is preparing for the Darwin Awards. He's too busy to think - bamapachyderm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10"There's a reason peace involves not making threats, ffs."
First of all, did you RTFA? You think that's a "threat?"
Let me know when you start hearing Bush or Cheney leading crowds of thousands in chants of "Death to Iran" as they do in Iran with "Death to America" (or Israel, or "the West"). - CourtesyFlush, on 10/11/2007, -6/+16You wouldn't last a week without your jeans, Big Macs and Hollywood movies.
- fight4yourright, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Wow! DAGONthehauge has been introduced to the American Secret Service! I've been to several blogs and forums that are "discussing" his post here on Digg and he's been reported by several of them!
Guys and Gals, regardless of your political leanings and emotions about leaders, never advocate the assignation of a political leader. It can get you into hot water. I doubt DAGONthehauge will be sent anywhere, but he will be investigated. Freedom of Speech is fine and dandy...don't let your passion for murder destroy it. -
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