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- Haoie, on 07/11/2008, -1/+67If I see one more banner ad about singles who want action in 'my area'...
- alapoet, on 07/11/2008, -1/+44Seems someone is watching everything we do on the Web these days.
What makes it even more troubling is the fact that when Viacom wants to get all that user data it knows YouTube has, it is able to do so. - Qong, on 07/11/2008, -3/+31The issue is how the information is used, not whether it's collected in my opinion.
If I'm using a service provided by Google or Microsoft (or Digg for that matter) then I don't see why they shouldn't be able to collect the information that I give them through using their service, and then use that information to their advantage, within their own organization at least.
I certainly don't think that they should be selling any such information, or giving it out to other organizations, public or private organizations, foreign or domestic.
As alapoet said in the comment above: The scary thing is that Viacom is going to get the information that they asked for, thanks to a judge that is clearly misguided when it comes to a citizens right to privacy.
If things like the Viacom - Google ruling continue, then I think that it would be a good idea for companies to take a look at what information on their users they should and should not be saving.
It's clear that the law isn't on our sides, and I know that many people would argue against corporations wanting to protect the privacy of their users; but in my opinion the companies involved are the more trustworthy of the two parties. I wouldn't trust some random judge or government agency any more than the company running the service. - spritom, on 07/11/2008, -1/+22I'm able to be on the internet totally anonymous!
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Secret code on luggage: 12345 - Surferess, on 07/11/2008, -1/+18A lot of people use services to mask their IP address, I know.
- MattB123, on 07/11/2008, -1/+18Those crack me up. I live up in the mountains, just below 8000 Ft. Just about everyone who lives here wears a down jacket (or similar) something like 8 Months a year. Most of the women wear little or not makeup - it's just not that kind of place (or if they do it's often cowgirl style, not city style). Then those ads claim to be for someone "in my area" picture a bikini wearing, big-haired, over-made up chick on a beach with no mountains on the horizon. Hmmm...
- douch3mom, on 07/11/2008, -0/+14Whenever I use the internet, a Viacom employee glares at me through my bedroom window and makes me scared.
- WallnutBoy, on 07/11/2008, -1/+14This article is doubleplustruthful. =(
- Lane, on 07/11/2008, -3/+14Why those singles can get in "my area" any day!
- ferrell, on 07/11/2008, -1/+10Want to be anonymous?
Spoofed MAC address + random neighborhood wifi connection works for me. - Sixark, on 07/11/2008, -1/+9The internet being able to collect information is just the tip of the iceberg . . . cell phones, credit cards, club savings cards, etc. Big brother is definitely watching =/
- SwedishNinja, on 07/11/2008, -0/+6Go ahead, I'm behind 7 proxies!
- inactive, on 07/11/2008, -0/+6Its crazy i must have seen the same girl that lives in like 20 different cities. i think its a sign. im going for it!
- thedogfatherx, on 07/11/2008, -1/+7Wear a wig and lipstick behind your computer. I swear it will work. Seriously try it. All of you.
- simg, on 07/11/2008, -1/+7proxies don't help in the slightest. Unless you're using SSL, your ISP (and probably the government) get to track (and log) what you do ....
- JonForTheWin, on 07/11/2008, -0/+5/var/log/access.log people . . it's not a new concept
- Ebsy, on 07/11/2008, -1/+6Speaking like Yoda you are.
- arunforce, on 07/11/2008, -0/+4Don't dare use newspeak on me.
- iuseNERFbullets, on 07/11/2008, -0/+4I sure as hell wish TV had more sophisticated algorithms for ad agencies so I wouldn't have to sit through hours of my life watching commercials for boner pills, prostate pills, girls gone wild, and hair loss commercials....
- natgem, on 07/11/2008, -0/+4Since the day we were born, we have been watched. Social Security cards, birth certificates, credit card transactions, etc. I don't agree that anyone should be able to look at all the websites I've looked up, but I'm aware that people have access to do so. The internet is just another outlet for the gov't to monitor what you're up to.
- cloudcity, on 07/11/2008, -0/+3On the flip side, can you ever really prove it was me doing whatever you claim I was doing on the Internet.
Sure it's my ISP account, sure it's my email address, or my Digg account, but is this me? Can you prove that my online identity and my real identity are the same person? Probably not unless you get a warrant, and a surveillance crew, and a forensic team, which is a good thing IMHO, becuase there ARE select cases where those things are needed, but in all others, it's your word against mine... - habbofresh, on 07/11/2008, -0/+312345! that's the combination on my luggage!
- fredmv, on 07/11/2008, -0/+3At Scientology protests, yes.
- tcpip4lyfe, on 07/11/2008, -0/+3Short answer yes with a "but"...
Long answer no with an "if"... - DarkDx, on 07/11/2008, -0/+3You just entered to 23 different national lists for posting such an url. See ya in gitmo!
- NikkiA, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Neither do the spooks that hold the keys at guantanamo.
If you're lucky, 5-10 years after you're sent there, someone might THINK about proving something. - paularocks, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Internet law needs serious attention. We need a constitutional amendment that accounts for the privacy and property of our online lives before we are all subject to retroactive discrimination and censure. I shutter to think what will happen down the road if the wrong person bought google.
- Ph03N1X418, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2With the number of surveillance cams, cell phone towers, different marketing research ploys, etc, everything you do is watched anyway.
Unless you've been hiding under a rock, a computer somewhere knows what you've been doing. - bioprez, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2internet will never be anonymous....not with governments that want to monitor your every moves as an excuse to inhibit terrorism...its a good excuse ofcourse, but up for debate is the extent to which it should be carried out...i think government should only be allowed to monitor certain people who are on a hotlist as being suspects, and they should be required to have proof as to why on file the monitoring is taking place....but that would never happen...
- Frost9999, on 07/11/2008, -1/+3Or better yet, use the same MAC address as them :)
- iuseNERFbullets, on 07/11/2008, -1/+3Man, lets not put on our tin hats yet guys. Big brother has a lot bigger fish to fry than some teenage to young adult males commenting about articles on Digg. Seriously, working in the IT department of a large corporate office, I've come to learn that our services (cookies and such that come with REGULAR REPUTABLE companies) really just grab your ip address (which doesn't say much, but it can tell us what general area your ip is provided in since dynamic ip's by your provider all have similar prefixes), but we really don't want all your information (we have mounds of information to deal with already and more isn't exactly a great treat). The things you SHOULD be worried about is unscrupulous websites (e.g. identity fraud websites that pose as say your bank asking for your info), trojans, and even your IT workers at your office (everything you do on your companies network CAN be monitored, but most of the time we honestly don't care if your on digg and crap like that).
Now you should maybe start worrying about big brother if say, your a frequent visitor to AlQuedaBombAmerica.com (I don't think thats a real site, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was) which might be a site the feds would be monitoring. - craighoxton, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Does the NSA really need to KNOW about my collection of MILF Hunter videos?
- freezerburn666, on 07/11/2008, -1/+3collected... stolen.. users... exploited.
- JulioChavez, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2You said:
"To sum up FISA, it states that warrantless surveillance is only applicable to foreign interests and NON-US PERSONS... AGAIN NON-US PERSONS."
The first line of that Wikipedia link goes on to say:
... may include American citizens and permanent residents suspected of being engaged in espionage and violating U.S. law: §1801(b)(2)(B)) on territory under United States control.
Anyway, nobody is up in arms right now about the FISA of 1978. The more relevant link is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FISA_Amendments_Act_o ...
As of this past Wednesday, the FISA Act was enhanced with such features as:
-- Permits the government not to keep records of searches, and destroy existing records (it requires them to only keep the records for a period of 10 years).
-- Removes requirements for detailed descriptions of the nature of information or property targeted by the surveillance.
This provision is like a word for word contradiction of the US Constitution. ( Look at the following amendment, especially the part near the end. )
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and *** particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. ***
-- Allows eavesdropping in emergencies without court approval, provided the government files required papers within a week.
Is that like a Jack Bauer-style emergency? Or an ATHF advertisement emergency? Maybe it says somewhere in the text of the Act. I'm not reading it all. ( Although, I did see where it says things would be conducted in a manner consistent with the 4th Amendment. So, I guess it's cool. :- | )
-- Prohibits the government from invoking war powers or other authorities to supersede surveillance rules in the future.
Actually, I'm pretty sure the 4th Amendment prohibits the government from enacting this legislation, so I'm not really sure about that last one.
This Act gives "the government" the go ahead to surveil American citizens at their discretion. What if a group of sociopathic neo-cons gets control of our govt someday? Oh wait. - emanuelamonica, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2I don't think that it will ever be truly Anonymus.
- 4321234, on 07/12/2008, -0/+2There's 2 billion websites and they all want your email address so you can log in. They all promise to keep it secret. That's funny.
- rpong1981, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Three words... The Onion Router
- sodade, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2What was that statistic from the 60s? 1 in 5 protesters was actually a spook? If you think there is any hope of revolution today, you're dreaming. We are spoiled, lazy fragmented, and utterly owned.
- NikkiA, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Viacom touches me in inappropriate places
- Ephemeralnode, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2* Prohibits the individual states from investigating, sanctioning of, or requiring disclosure by complicit telecoms or other persons. - so only fed has power to conduct these surveillance measures... so what
Yea the last thing we need is some pesky state oversight...
* Permits the government not to keep records of searches, and destroy existing records (it requires them to only keep the records for a period of 10 years). - basically government doesn't have to make public that they are conducting surveillance (wouldn't be very good surveillance if you knew they were doing it right)
Yea with Millions of "missing" whitehouse emails I'm sure accountability won't be an issue here
* Protects telecommunications companies from lawsuits for "'past or future cooperation' with federal law enforcement authorities and will assist the intelligence community in determining the plans of terrorists." - i agree with this too, since it would be kinda stupid to make telecoms responsible for following written decrees from the federal gov (gov is responsible for violating this... its like blaming the gun for someone shooting you)
No this is like multiple large corparations cooperating with the gorvernment to spy on its populace. Of course you are going to cover your enablers ass. I think its called something like a ex post facto law that is in some obscure section of the constitution. I mean who reads the first article anyways.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_Un ...
* Removes requirements for detailed descriptions of the nature of information or property targeted by the surveillance. - once again kinda stupid to tell people what your watching them for...
No it covers their ass futher, this information wouldn't be public regardless. But the Continental US is property of the US....
* Increased the time allowed for warrantless surveillance to continue from 48 hours to 7 days. - not a big deal either
You're right, Now they can monitor you without a warrant for a week before they bust out the FISA rubber stamp. You must be a shill if you dont think warrantless wiretaps aren't an issue.
* Requires FISA court permission to wiretap Americans who are overseas. - SO YOU NEED A WARRANT TO WIRETAP AMERICANS.... THAT SURE IS NEW..... NOT...
Wow snark when adressing a legal document, I'm shocked by such rhetoric
* Prohibits targeting a foreigner to eavesdrop on an American's calls or e-mails without court approval. - Kinda a stupid clause... but whatever
So they can need to get the FISA rubber stamp if they want to be sneaky in whom they monitor.
* Allows the FISA court 30 days to review existing but expiring surveillance orders before renewing them. - REVIEWING the nature of said surveillance... sounds dangerous :O
Snark again Oh my!
* Allows eavesdropping in emergencies without court approval, provided the government files required papers within a week. - emergency clauses only allowed in extenuating circumstances
Wow this could never be abused in tandem with the Patriot Act!
* Prohibits the government from invoking war powers or other authorities to supersede surveillance rules in the future. - big brother can't overstep its bounds without being accountable for their actions... scary...
I'm pretty sure they have all they need right now.
Regardless, All I want you to do is tell me you think this FISA amendment was a good thing for America Land of the Free™ - waydee, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Until my computer can actually be identified on the internet (and no, an IP address doesn't count - those change, I'm talking about a unique identifier to my actual computer, the NIC MAC address is the most likely candidate) i'm not worried.
I do suggest if you get up to anything naughty that you use tor however, depending on the severity of course. Don't stress about advertisers etc, its police you should be worried about. - sodade, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2The spooks who are making lists do not need to prove anything.
- DarkDx, on 07/14/2008, -0/+1Well, at least the first part of my comment applies here "scan the middle east connections". Not ours!
- habbofresh, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1you don't invent addresses, they're assigned. that's how they know how to route to them.
- ePuck, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1REGULATE
- nimd4, on 07/11/2008, -1/+2There are many ways to combat for and achieve (some degree of) anonymity on the web and thus I am making a separate comment, instead of answering someone else's here on the page..:)
One can use the TOR anonymity network, for example; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_networ ...
Then less extreme measures may include modifying your browser, mainly Firefox, with some extensions. These can be the NoScript https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722 - AdBlock Plus ( with the Easy List subscriptions http://easylist.adblockplus.org/ - which would require the AdBlock Plus Element Hiding Helper http://adblockplus.org/en/elemhidehelper ) & similar.
Furthermore, strong passwords can protect your private data. There are many hefty online password generators, like the PC Tools Random Password Generator @ http://www.pctools.com/guides/password/ (also available for download).
ps. Have you seen http://www.customizegoogle.com/ ?.. Also, there are tools for other browsers than Firefox; Like: http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/ for the Opera browser, with the download page @ http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/
HOPE IT HELPS! :-D - Ephemeralnode, on 07/11/2008, -1/+2Cool, now why didn't you add the most important section of the FISA wiki article, the 2008 amendment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FISA_Amendments_Act_o ...
Looks like your arguments are loaded with nerf as well ;)
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig. - Friedrich Nietzsche - Beatmiser, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1There may be a point in there somewhere but it got lost in your pedantic ranting... so I stopped reading.
- inactive, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1It will be the day i figure out how to change mac addresses of my nic card . You can use an uncapped modem and change sniff/change mac addresses but still you couldn't do that everyday i guess
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