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- tomjunlee, on 02/10/2009, -0/+55I had to evacuate Marysville where, within 2 hours of evacuating, the whole town was razed including the camping area which I loved...
It was such a beautiful quaint town which was so friendly, and so beautiful. Now it doesn't exist virtually (except for a building or two). I will especially miss the famous lolly shop there too.
This news article is a bit old now... Official reports are 173 people dead, and is expected to rise. - ARTLUKM, on 02/09/2009, -0/+38Honestly, how stupid are some people? Why the ***** would somebody do this?
- peheimbach, on 02/09/2009, -5/+36If convicted, the fire-starters should watch their own houses burn - room by room, artifact by artifact. The only thing stopping me suggesting that they then be burned to death is the sheer barbarism of the idea -- certainly I have no human feelings for them but extraordinary disgust.
Perhaps after watching their worldly goods burn, they should be tasked with working in deserts for the rest of their lives. I'd suggest firefighting, but that requires trust -- something they should never be allowed as long as they live. - clvngodess, on 02/09/2009, -0/+11I don't get it. I watch my own community burn every year, Southern California. And we all KNOW that the bulk of those fires are arson. What sucks is rarely is anyone ever caught and brought to justice. It's a creepy and horrid crime. It doesn't just take the lives of people, remember the wild life it kills too.... sick.
- Murdats, on 02/10/2009, -8/+19I am glad we don't as aren't as primitive and barbaric as the US
- TrellSaracen, on 02/10/2009, -4/+14Kevin Rudd (like all prime ministers, and all other politicians) is simply taking advantage of a situation to notch up another soundbyte. In most cases (eg the Bill Henson fiasco) his commentary is unhelpful, unwarranted and utterly pointless.
This particular case is no exception. The law already mandates that arson occasioning loss of life carry a sentence which (by accident or design) is comparable to that associated with murder. Krudd's just playing his Media Darling card yet again. - KibblesnBitts, on 02/10/2009, -8/+18Kill them with FI.....oh nevermind
- poidh, on 02/10/2009, -5/+15Are you praying that someone invents a time machine so that they can go back in time and escape before the fire engulfed them?
Otherwise it's just a soundbite really isn't it? - iMike360, on 02/10/2009, -1/+11http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyhKWF2RC-U
For all those people who say "these people should burn in hell", "light the ***** on fire" and my fav. "The people who do this should be raped in jail". GET REAL, this is a horrible act but do you really want someone to burn to death or get raped?! If you do then you really need to get some help. If i remember right brushfires in early 2000s killed people and they were started by a few of teenage being dumbasses do you really want those kids to get raped, beaten in the street? - Equinamin, on 02/09/2009, -5/+14Hopes and prayers for all in this sad story.
- inactive, on 02/10/2009, -0/+9I loved Marysville. I have stayed in the camping ground and a house back up the hill towards Melbourne. I loved the snow in Winter and the Pub had a nice pool table. Been layed there, taken GF's there obviously, been ridiculously drunk there, as you do. The area is just amazingly beautiful. So sorry for you all.
- tomjunlee, on 02/10/2009, -2/+10... I don't think you understand Australia.
We're in a drought at the moment for about 10 years. Having temps about 46 degrees Celsius (about 115 degrees Fahrenheit) didn't help.
And yes, there were backburning, but this is much worse than anybody anticipated.
Why is Rudd being blamed? He's only been in Government for a few years now. Bushfires...they've been around far longer than that. - Wilsomatic, on 02/10/2009, -0/+8173
- PottSie2, on 02/10/2009, -4/+12Ha .. I'm getting dugg down ... bleeding heart syndrome.
Quote "but do you really want someone to burn to death" .... guess what, in the end, more than 200+ people ... dads, mums, CHILDREN, BABIES, PREGNANT WOMEN, grandparents, brother, sisters, friends, cousins, uncles, aunties will have BURNED TO DEATH .... but that's right ..... let's think of the real victims here right ... the 'foolish' people who didn't mean to cause this.
gtfo - drewhoo, on 02/10/2009, -0/+8@gnotDigger: Yes, that mother nature should be made an example of!
- immatellyouwhat, on 02/10/2009, -2/+9Natural Selection will get them in the end... and by that I mean they'll get raped numerously in prison.
- morndry, on 02/10/2009, -0/+7as a trained wildlands firefighter in the US I am inclined to agree with pm rudd.
- inactive, on 02/10/2009, -1/+8I am glad we don't. No need to sink to their levels and keeping them in a cage is a kind of hell for them. They might learn to respect life with no chance of ever having the freedom to live it.
- Bourksterz, on 02/10/2009, -1/+8They plan to release details - name, picture - of the arsonist later this afternoon. I wonder if police will end up finding their suspect is they proceed with this.
- Azerael, on 02/10/2009, -0/+7Burning their stuff and sending them to the desert achieves nothing, it's just a revenge act, and doesn't help anyone.
Instead, why not make them help rebuild? Show them what they did and make them fix it, house by house for as long as it takes until people can get back to their lives. Then throw them in jail for the rest of their own life so they can think about what they did. - Vivifyer, on 02/10/2009, -1/+8Prayer: How to do nothing and still think you’re helping
- poidh, on 02/10/2009, -3/+10Sending money might be more useful, so they can rebuild their houses and stuff.
- poidh, on 02/10/2009, -0/+6***** that. Put the arsonists in prison, then sell all their stuff and give it to the families of the deceased.
- dzneill, on 02/10/2009, -2/+8No thanks, kill them with fire.
- vio3, on 02/10/2009, -0/+6A big thank you to the fire fighters and everyone else who's trying to rescue those affected. Both people and animals: Please also give a little thought to the 10,000+ animals that have fallen victim to these fires.
While most are bitching about how hot it is in AUS, the incredible firefighters are battling the heat 10 fold as well as the dangers of brushfires.... in a land that is hot and dry I think we can thank these heroes for their great efforts. It is also a really good time to think of what we are doing to our planet...........the earth is warmer and this week's tragedy is hopefully the worse we will ever see. - inactive, on 02/10/2009, -12/+17Pray? Might as well buy a phoenix down and revive them.
- inactive, on 02/10/2009, -1/+6You have no idea what you are talking about. You should come here and understand WTF you are talking about before you make misguided assessments on our planning and landscape and the conditions present.
The only thing that would have stopped this fire is if the place were a dessert full of sand. The idiots complain it was the greenies for the forests burning, but its not! Houses on grassy hills burnt too. Even if the grass was short it didn't make any difference. The ground itself burnt too. Go and look at the photos and you will see bare earth red orange. There is no humus! Its gone!
How do you intend to plan for the next event? Make some magical water bomber that can bring a running 80kl/h fire jumping hundreds of meters at a time to its knees?
No one could do anything. Even alert systems did not reach people in good time because no one had any chance of accurately monitoring or predicting the behavior.
Sane building codes?
What's that? A German military style bunker house made of concrete and no windows? Capable of withstanding 1500 - 1600 C temps?
Place any building you can think of and surround it by 30 meter / 80 meter tall trees. Set the trees on fire and blow on them with a giant hair dryer? Do you think you building will survive?
How much will it cost to build the German Bunker?
Get real, you have no idea! - Nudar, on 02/10/2009, -0/+5That's just a single arsonist. There are supposedly many arsonists responsible for the fires.
- TrellSaracen, on 02/10/2009, -0/+5There isn't a single currently-serving parliamentarian that I would piss on if they were on fire. Howard was scum, too, so go ***** yourself.
Edit: I've been using that particular metaphor for quite a while, so any association with what's happening in Victoria is coincidental and unintended, and you're still a sulfuric douche. - FI5HERMAN, on 02/09/2009, -12/+17This is heart wrenching and I pray for the families !!!
- ojk007, on 02/10/2009, -1/+6thats an awesome lolly shop, best in the country
- Gizza, on 02/10/2009, -2/+7Pray? To who?
Victoria and NSW is just about completely burning while just 500km north of that Queensland is under water. If there is a God he is a ***** wanker, I can tell you that right now. - Sheethappens, on 02/10/2009, -0/+5108 is way outdated. It was 161 on this morning's news and as they said, there are cars in driveways where the houses have burned down and the roof fallen onto whatever was inside. They are positive that a lot of those places contain bodies of people who never made it. They couldnt get near the houses from the radiant heat, to be sure. Some places, there are car smashes. The fires were moving over 60MPH and people were trying to outrace that in smoke so thick that you couldnt see far beyond the front of the car and hit other cars. Those smashes never made it away either. One woman, on the news this morning told how her mother, in the car with her, wound down the window and immediately her hair caught fire so the woman had to put the fire out while trying to race away from the oncoming devastation.
This country is a land of extremes. An old saying is that you know when the drought is over when you get flooded and that is literal. In Queensland they are underwater while in Victoria they are afire. There is a small belt between that which is relatively OK this season but it definitely wont be next Summer. Even in that belt there are fires. I live on the edge of a National Park in the Blue Mountains of NSW. You watch the skies as Summer approaches and make your plans. Many years you live with your bags at the front door until the next Winter. Fires have been one street away from me in 2004 but nothing like Victoria.
Latest news is they expect the toll to be around 300. You cant pick one heroic story out there are so many, along with the grief. There is little alive out there now. Apart from the human toll there is a complete lack of native animals and even if there were any daring enough to come back, there wont be anything to eat for some years yet.
Already one radical religious element is blaming it all on the Victorian Govt's approval of removing abortion from being a cime. You just have to love that type. They cant be satisfied that so much has happened and so many died and so many in grief - they just have to try and top it with their own disgusting view on things. They claim to be people of religion who preach a loving God and then attribute all this to that same God. I wonder what that God will do to them for making him look this bad? - DforSpiD, on 02/10/2009, -0/+4I drove through the area the same day the fires started... I was terrified to hear what had happened after I got home...
- anixmander, on 02/10/2009, -0/+4Personally, I'd give full blame and responsibility to the stupid sacks of ***** that lit off some of those fires.
But that's just me. - chromerium, on 02/10/2009, -0/+4er, what part of "bushfire" don't you understand? Short of cutting down all of the forest, there's very little the government could do to prevent this.
Building codes don't stop your house being burned down by a bushfire. - poidh, on 02/10/2009, -3/+7To you simpletons burying him, there were threats on the al Ikhlas forum (Islamic terrorists meeting point) last September about lighting just these kinds of fires. These kind of attack had been sanctioned by various imams as being a legal way to fight the non-believers.
- m3th0dm4n, on 02/10/2009, -2/+6You're a bigot.
- Target91, on 02/10/2009, -1/+5He isn't getting anyone back to life, he is enjoying the fact that the arsonist(s) got what he felt they deserved.
- inactive, on 02/10/2009, -0/+4*****
- Wilsomatic, on 02/10/2009, -0/+3Latest news (7:12pm AEST) says 181 confirmed dead.
- Azerael, on 02/10/2009, -0/+3Of all the things you could hate on Rudd for, you want to blame him for the bushfires?
- hulez, on 02/10/2009, -0/+3rudd can do that
- poidh, on 02/10/2009, -1/+4There are people above in this thread who are praying to the very god which they must, if they're honest, believed allowed these fires to happen in the first place.
Crazy. - inactive, on 02/10/2009, -1/+4No, it could've just been some stupid people who didn't think about what they were doing.
Not every murderer is a sociopath, or some mentally ill person who was abused as a child, just like not every person who starts a fire is necessarily a pyromaniac. - estate, on 02/10/2009, -1/+4Bastard firebugs. They should hope the police catch them first, they've destroyed too many lives to be able to walk around without someone exacting some retribution. As has been said, 108 is from mid-afternoon yesterday, it's 173 now and expected to easily top 200.
- iMike360, on 02/10/2009, -0/+3Thats just a ***** up comment.
- inactive, on 02/10/2009, -0/+3A harrowing first hand account:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197 ... - chromerium, on 02/10/2009, -0/+2I'm surprised they haven't been labelled terrorists.
I pity anyone who gets fingered for this ... they're not getting a fair trial. - PottSie2, on 02/10/2009, -0/+2You would hope that wouldn't be the case ... but who the fk knows with those extremists. And I doubt they would own up to to this event even if they did, because that would be grounds for Australians to call for an end to migration for muslims and a mass 'gtfo' of current ones.
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