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Should Mythbusters tackle the thetan reader?
community.discovery.com — Show your support for the idea, and Mythbusters. Also...does anyone have a thetan reader to donate?
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- jflowers45, on 04/18/2008, -23/+345[goes to google thetan reader...]
- rexona, on 04/18/2008, -3/+20makes two of us...wish I didn't though....
- Jimmyy, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4Join the Discovery Forums and post your support!
- EwMo, on 04/18/2008, -3/+76The thetan reader a device that Co$ is based on physics and electronics and is used to obtain information about the human soul. Mythbusters would assumingly destroy this idea without a contest.
- argo2d, on 04/18/2008, -10/+4dangit google doesn't work for the "$" in Co$
- cjflashman, on 04/18/2008, -0/+4The Co$ would be the Church of Scient-
*Shuts up*
- cjflashman, on 04/18/2008, -0/+4The Co$ would be the Church of Scient-
- etruscan, on 04/18/2008, -1/+135Mythbusters would never do it. That would be like asking them to validate that holy water can really cleanse the soul of it's sins. They're not going to get involved with a religion (be it cult or not) to simply attempt to disprove it. Would be a bad PR move.
- rushiku, on 04/18/2008, -3/+21They delved far enough into testing untestable supernatural BS with the Pyramid Power episode, at the end, Adam said "let's not do anymore of these oogie boogie myths".
Everyone already knows you can't prove/disprove matters of faith, and it would be rather boring to see Adam and Jamie try.- TheVirus, on 04/18/2008, -4/+30It's impossible for Adam and Jamie to be boring. They could have them watch paint dry and I'd be entertained.
- coyote1284, on 04/18/2008, -0/+11I think the idea would be to try to figure out what the thetan reader is actually detecting.
- thecosmicpope, on 04/18/2008, -1/+6Whilst Adam did say that, he also said in an interview that he wanted to proove evolution and disprove creationism. Obviously the Discovery Channel would never allow such a thing, but religion is something Adam would like to touch on, if given free reign.
- somnambulator, on 04/19/2008, -1/+1That's not strictly true, you can prove/disprove matters of faith, take fairies and unicorns for example, both have been strongly believed in, in the last 100 years. And their existence has been completely disproved.
The problem with faith is that it is truthproof.
@TheVirus, I completely agree, watching Adam and Jamie sleep would probably be entertaining.
- Lukesed, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3They actually said once in an interview that they wanted to do some kind of test to prove that micro evolution was possible on the show. Not surprisingly, that hasn't gone anywhere with whoever gives permission for this kind of stuff.
- rushiku, on 04/18/2008, -3/+21They delved far enough into testing untestable supernatural BS with the Pyramid Power episode, at the end, Adam said "let's not do anymore of these oogie boogie myths".
- MWeather, on 04/18/2008, -1/+18Actually you're wrong. It's actually based on the concept that there is a sucker born every minute.
- LeeSoong, on 04/18/2008, -1/+1http://www.historybuff.com/library/refbarnum.html
- argo2d, on 04/18/2008, -10/+4dangit google doesn't work for the "$" in Co$
- sweeneyowns, on 04/18/2008, -2/+33wait? does google labs have a thetan reader now?? ***** sweet.
- 10goto10, on 04/18/2008, -8/+5[clicks the first link]
- TheDowntownKing, on 04/18/2008, -0/+8Crap, stupid continuous cycle
- mikephimikephi, on 04/18/2008, -6/+10[...creates adwords account and bid's highest for 'thetan reader' sponsored links]
- winmywii, on 04/18/2008, -2/+4..loses mass amounts of money, but epenis enlarges.
- Fracture98, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4[...creates adwords account and bid's highest for 'bigger epenis' sponsored links]
- greengiant2684, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3[...creates adwords account and bid's highest for 'penis mightier' sponsored links]
- OldSchoolNinja, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2[Orders a dozen!]
- Fracture98, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4[...creates adwords account and bid's highest for 'bigger epenis' sponsored links]
- winmywii, on 04/18/2008, -2/+4..loses mass amounts of money, but epenis enlarges.
- c0baltfish, on 04/18/2008, -4/+84"It's a device that removes money from your wallet and gives it to Scientology, with your cooperation. The benefit is all one way, and it's not in your direction."
- heypetray, on 04/18/2008, -4/+1*Taken from forum.
- c0baltfish, on 04/18/2008, -0/+5Which is why I put quotes between them. Thanks.
- heypetray, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1Yeah, just saying... Jeez!
- c0baltfish, on 04/18/2008, -0/+5Which is why I put quotes between them. Thanks.
- heypetray, on 04/18/2008, -4/+1*Taken from forum.
- mraustin1337, on 04/18/2008, -4/+7I wonder what Scientology's argument for this thread to be taken down will be.
- degron, on 04/18/2008, -4/+10People really believe this stuff?
- mikeyellenlee, on 04/18/2008, -1/+6Lol, YES dude...
and i know, it's insane.
- mikeyellenlee, on 04/18/2008, -1/+6Lol, YES dude...
- IglooBurner, on 04/18/2008, -4/+8Is there a picture of a thetan reader? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
- MWeather, on 04/18/2008, -1/+10http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/travolt ...
- monospaced, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1Oh *****, I had no idea he'd been involved with that cult since the Saturday Night Live days.
- Tuft, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2Damn someone asks an innocent question and everyone buries it, what gives? Ill digg ya man!
- MWeather, on 04/18/2008, -1/+10http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/travolt ...
- stevenbrown, on 04/18/2008, -7/+1Isn't a thetan reader that Scientology thing?
- MWeather, on 04/18/2008, -1/+10No, it's for that other religion that believes in thetans.
- ahale97, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2Did you even click the link? The first word is Scientology.
- monospaced, on 04/18/2008, -2/+18C'mon fellow Scientology haters, you should know it's called an e-meter by now.
- cyberoidx, on 04/18/2008, -1/+12All the results were related to digg, mythbusters, or discovery.
Good job digg! - cannonball, on 04/18/2008, -3/+3http://www.google.com/search?q=thetan+reader&ie=ut ...
- ggacid, on 04/18/2008, -2/+1WTF is up with the black on gray! Ridiculous..
- acis1, on 04/18/2008, -7/+1http://digg.com/gaming_news/Battletoads_for_WII_Ma ...
- bobthegreat1224, on 04/18/2008, -0/+6I had a boss who once got to dissect an e-meter. He said it was pretty much just a multimeter on the inside, dressed up to look suitably Buck Rogers. The girl he took it from paid thousands for it. He offered to build her another one with $10 worth of parts from Radio Shack.
- Magicmasta, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4I googled it and the first result was this page oO
- techmaster7b, on 04/19/2008, -1/+1Only the ignorant would go to google.
- rexona, on 04/18/2008, -3/+20makes two of us...wish I didn't though....
- GiJoeBob, on 04/18/2008, -6/+180Absolutely.
- jimmy17, on 04/18/2008, -1/+29Absolutely... but lawsuits are inevitable.
- 80hd, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2I thought this was obvious too.
Yeah I'd love to see the COS get slammed for being a bunch of cons but otoh - Those idiots are tenacious about making sure that they won't go down alone
- 80hd, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2I thought this was obvious too.
- liquidpele, on 04/18/2008, -3/+4It would be nice, but really they can't.
Southpark can hide under the satire laws (protected by free speech) but scientifically taking it apart and explaining why it doesn't work would be *really* hard to defend against a frivolous lawsuit since that ***** is supposed to work on a non-scientific basis (regardless of the cult's name of course).- lamiaconfitor, on 04/18/2008, -2/+2They will just have to suck it up and 'believe' like every other crackpot religion.
- liquidpele, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1By "suck it up and believe" did you mean "file eleventy kagillion lawsuits" ?
- 80hd, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2I agree with liquid.
Those idiots would file suits in their predictable style before the episode got two words out. And worst yet, They won't do anything but bastardize the interpretation of facts so that anything they say is non-falsifiable. I hate people that play rhetorical games to the point that the facts don't matter.
The COS isn't about helping people, it's about dominating any challenge with impossibly illogical 'facts' and then turning the shattered hope of the assimilated against the next wave of victims. - Stormwern, on 04/18/2008, -1/+1It's not remotely illegal unless they claim their conclusions to be facts
- liquidpele, on 04/18/2008, -0/+0I didn't say it was illegal stupid, I said they wouldn't be as protected from a *civil* lawsuit.
- koick, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1Get around it by testing the equipment, but don't use the name $cientology or anything associated with it.
- spawnfree, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1it would be nice to see a court conclude that the e-meter is a primitive lie detector and the answers given in the tests are filed and used to manipulate or outright blackmail the 'patient'.
most genius system since the catholic 'confession' system IMHO. why do ordinary people trust so much?
- lamiaconfitor, on 04/18/2008, -2/+2They will just have to suck it up and 'believe' like every other crackpot religion.
- catastrophatic, on 04/18/2008, -2/+9No way!
Haven't you read what happens to all that "defy" that church?
I dont know about you, but i LOVE mythbusters, and i dont want to risk death for them to test some ***** ass non realtisitic thing.
...and also i hope i dont die from stating that being that i live but clearwater, the scientology capital.
..*****.
hahaha :)- 80hd, on 04/18/2008, -1/+1They should grab a thetan meter and call it something else but show it very prominently so theres no confusion ;)
- coyote1284, on 04/18/2008, -0/+4Today on Mythbusters we attempt to determine if this device is measuring mystical energies.
- 80hd, on 04/18/2008, -1/+1They should grab a thetan meter and call it something else but show it very prominently so theres no confusion ;)
- orangefly, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2that would be the holy grail of myths....
- Gamer2k4, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5What would they prove? That thetans aren't real? All they can do is show that the thetan reader is just an ohmmeter. Despite what you'd like to belief, it is logically impossible to prove that something doesn't exist. Sure, the thetan reader might measure material and natural things, like resistance, but how can you PROVE that something supernatural isn't behind it? I'm as much against Scientology as the next guy, but I don't think a scientific show like Mythbusters can draw any conclusions about a religious matter.
- shutter54, on 04/18/2008, -0/+0Anyone thought that maybe Adam and Jamie are Scientologists?
That aside, this is silly. You cant prove something exists that...cant..be...proven. While they are at it, try proving that God does or doesnt exist.. why not? Its the same idea. - etnuts, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1this might be a stupid question but what is a thetan reader
- jimmy17, on 04/18/2008, -1/+29Absolutely... but lawsuits are inevitable.
- crystalblue69, on 04/18/2008, -10/+89right on
xenutv.com
xenu.net
enturbulation.org- elegantjihad, on 04/18/2008, -2/+6http://www.exscientologykids.com/
really, check it out I actually found more interesting stories on this site than all of the other ones, and it's only been up since this year. Jenna Miscavige Hill is one of the admins. (not that the other ones are bad, but all of the stories generally are coming from kids around my age, so I find it pretty interesting to hear their opinions on the whole thing) - NCSUspoon, on 04/18/2008, -1/+6When I think the thetan reader, I think about Dwight's gaydar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z0dlebZQKs - dman24752, on 04/18/2008, -2/+2I'm game for this episode only if they test transubstantiation and whether or not Adam and Eve came from Jackson County Missouri.
- jimjoke, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1May 10th.
- bruce86, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1this is gonna get lost in the fray of things, but i have zero faith in myth busters correctly testing the e-meter. They have demonstrated on many occasion they have little to no knowledge on how to experiment on humans. All the times they've done experiments on humans it has been shamefully fill with confounds and poor experimental design and ***** conclusions, not to mention they will probably too lazy to get a decent sample size, or run statistical analysis on the data(the average is larger so its gotta be real!).
I wouldn't be surprised they will find that a E-meter actually can do alot of the things they claim. Just based on the soul fact that, the e-meter is a glorified galvanic skin test, which they use in lie detectors and psychological studies. There are practical applications for galvanic skin test. The main issue is that it only measures arousal, not the valence or the type of emotion. which is why i think the machine is *****, but to the uneducated laymen it does lots of magical things
- elegantjihad, on 04/18/2008, -2/+6http://www.exscientologykids.com/
- DarkANon, on 04/18/2008, -8/+488Absolutely, but I don't know if the producers had the balls to do it.
- theaceoffire, on 04/18/2008, -3/+26I think it would rock if they did, but I don't want to risk Adam and Jamie's families...
I much prefer attacking them without providing real targets. - djepik, on 04/18/2008, -2/+13Ah yes, but do they now??
- FranzySF, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3Everyone knows they don't work.
- pintomp3, on 04/18/2008, -1/+15it would be ballsy to start debunking cults and religions, but it wouldn't change the minds of the faithful anyway.
- Rysac1, on 04/18/2008, -3/+2As much as I would like to see this....it will never happen because it would be offensive to a group of people and no network...sans faux, would do this because of the hell it would catch.
- AggieTales, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3Exact, its like if they did an episode (or part of episode) on whether or not it was possible for jesus to walk on water.
- centran, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4If the show was produced by the Canadian division of Discovery then I would say it would have a shot... but you are right. Not going to happen.
- VinnieDaMac, on 04/18/2008, -1/+1Unless you're anonymous, you literally put your life on the line when you criticize Scientology. With that said, I LOVE SCIENTOLOGY!! (Don't hurt me please)
- theaceoffire, on 04/18/2008, -3/+26I think it would rock if they did, but I don't want to risk Adam and Jamie's families...
- umbriago, on 04/18/2008, -5/+366they can use mine, I bought one and tried it out on my cats. (it said they were fine, but needed to cough up $4,800 just to be sure)
- punkcat, on 04/18/2008, -2/+13its worth it.
- linkdj, on 04/18/2008, -1/+34Your cats cough up money? Mine only cough up hairballs.
- logicalnoise, on 04/18/2008, -1/+7you've never seen ren and stimpy
- twiztidsinz, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3WHAAAAARRRRFFFF
- logicalnoise, on 04/18/2008, -1/+7you've never seen ren and stimpy
- ia2ca, on 04/18/2008, -1/+25I suppose I'm the only one that read these comments in order?
"Absolutely, but I don't know if the producers had the balls to do it."
"they can use mine, I bought one and tried it out on my cats. (it said they were fine, but needed to cough up $4,800 just to be sure)"- hammburglar, on 04/18/2008, -3/+3i dont see anything wrong with that
- bliztix, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1Lol Good Catch
- rentmitchum, on 04/18/2008, -4/+7That's a lot of meowney. How will they get that much catsh in their paws. That's meowtrageous.
...meow.- dreesemonkey, on 04/18/2008, -2/+11Well if it isn't old Forcey McJokingtion!
- rentmitchum, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2Meow that's not very nice.
- dreesemonkey, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1Well, I'll give you that one anyway.
- rentmitchum, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2Meow that's not very nice.
- darlingt, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3I see what you tried (and failed) to do there.
- dreesemonkey, on 04/18/2008, -2/+11Well if it isn't old Forcey McJokingtion!
- motafett, on 04/18/2008, -3/+102Quoted from the Mythbusters board.
"I worked for a well established unnamed company in New Hampshire that made devices for the church of Scientology. The church sent the design and the factory made them. As best I could tell, the device was a biofeedback monitor that could deliver an electric shock to the person who was being "read". The device was being upgraded on a regular basis and cost the Ministers thousands of dollars to replace after each upgrade. About 18 years ago, I think they were using the Mark IV version that had lots of shiny gold or brass parts and connected by wires there was canisters that you would hold in each hand. I don't know who got the money for the devices. Any one know out there? was it L. Ron Hubbard or son? As far as I know it could have been the "evil Thetans"."- oldhick, on 04/18/2008, -1/+13I'm pretty sure the e-meter doesn't shock the person being read... At least not a single account of its use implied that, that I've read.
- kgreen69er, on 04/18/2008, -1/+49HEY!! I'm getting a little TIRED of this!!!
You volunteered, didn't you?! We're paying you, aren't we?
Yeah, but I didn't know you were going to give me electric shocks!! What are you trying to prove here, anyway?- StrangeFamous, on 04/18/2008, -2/+23Dugg for obscure Ghostbusters reference!
"A bunch of wavy lines... I don't know" - SpectralSounds, on 04/18/2008, -1/+13The effect! I'll tell you what the effect is! It's pissing me off!
- StrangeFamous, on 04/18/2008, -2/+23Dugg for obscure Ghostbusters reference!
- diskit, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5New Hampshire?
Really? - SpeshulEd, on 04/18/2008, -1/+15Gordon Freeman also used the Mark IV. This Hazardous Environment suit was equipped with a built-in flashlight, oxygen supply, Geiger counter, morphine administrator, anti-toxin delivery system, an optional long-jumping module, many tracking devices, and a heads-up display.
However, after being teleported into the future, he receives the Mark V version HEV suit. This new suit added a visual zooming capability, limited enhanced running capability, and the ability to use Combine power nodes to charge the suit. - Texmurphy01, on 04/18/2008, -0/+8I would recommend not having a company without a name for too long. Bad for business.
- uruururr, on 04/18/2008, -2/+173uhhh you mean an e-meter?
- Suricou, on 04/18/2008, -2/+53It depends on your level. At low-level scientolgy, its an e-meter and functions by detecting stress. At mid-level, its still an e-meter but now it functions by measuring the resistance of the engrams within the subject as they change in size under the influence of questioning. It's only at the high levels that the thetan bit is explained. Thats how any good cult works: Start with the believeable explanation, and introduce the ridiculous bits slowly over the course of many years.
- DefaultGen, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5I didn't know that. Guess I have to work my way up the ranks.
- junkwheel, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1Epic loss, guaranteed.
- dopplerdog, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4It's an interesting and insidious effect. The believable stuff is to get you to invest in the cult - the comes the really crazy stuff. Psychologically speaking, the crazier the better for the cult: this is because there is such a large cognitive dissonance with the outside world, that the outside world gets blocked off. In other words, people can't believe they've spent so much time, effort and money on an idiotic idea, that they prefer to convince themselves that the idea isn't idiotic. In order to do this, they reject anything that conflicts with this self-deception, and they're trapped in the cult.
- B3000, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2Umm no. It is just an e-meter. The name never changes. It doesn't matter what OT level you are at. The person who called it a thetan reader had no idea what they are talking about.
- DefaultGen, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5I didn't know that. Guess I have to work my way up the ranks.
- gquaglia, on 04/18/2008, -3/+35More like a ***** meter.
- Black6x, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5It would be ironic for a ***** meter to be *****, itself.
- endlessoul, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2Lol. If they used a ***** meter, the person performing the test would bury the meter's ***** needle.
- eclectro, on 04/18/2008, -1/+1You may not be able to call it that because posts get deleted, people get sued, and they get harrassed in court with false testimony.
- B3000, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1Thank you. It drives me ***** crazy all these people who pick up on little bits of jargon but have no idea what they are talking about. It's a ***** E-METER not a thetan reader! If you're going to try and attack something, get to know what it is you are talking about first. Otherwise you just sound like a big bunch of idiots. (BTW I am totally Anti-Scientology and have been for many years.)
- beernutz, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1I think the poster may have intentionally mis-labeled it, to throw off search engines, and make it harder for co$ to find out about it.
- Suricou, on 04/18/2008, -2/+53It depends on your level. At low-level scientolgy, its an e-meter and functions by detecting stress. At mid-level, its still an e-meter but now it functions by measuring the resistance of the engrams within the subject as they change in size under the influence of questioning. It's only at the high levels that the thetan bit is explained. Thats how any good cult works: Start with the believeable explanation, and introduce the ridiculous bits slowly over the course of many years.
- whiteyak41, on 04/18/2008, -4/+210BUSTED
- smrekar, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3Why not just bust the Myth of Scientology as a whole.
Tom Cruise is OT VIII but he got sick last week. BUSTED - maadmonkey, on 04/18/2008, -0/+0http://rfshq.com/flashloops/index.php?id=61#
- smrekar, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3Why not just bust the Myth of Scientology as a whole.
- WiseWeasel, on 04/18/2008, -9/+191How the hell are they supposed to prove whether or not the machine is working correctly? Exactly how does one go about calibrating a thetan detector? This is an impossible thing to test. It would be like asking them to disprove the 'holiness' meter I just invented (coin toss)...
- sweeneyowns, on 04/18/2008, -2/+12they will simply test a cranky version of jamie vs happy time adam.
- gllopc, on 04/18/2008, -2/+24Here's how Hubbard said to calibrate the PC (pre-clear, aka the chump who is being given the counseling session) and the meter. It's not enough to truly calibrate an emeter for the purpose of testing on the show, obviously:
The ``metabolism test'' is given before each session on the E-Meter and comes after the can squeeze that sets sensitivity for 1/3 of a dial drop on the PC. The test involves having the PC take a deep breath, holding it for a second, and then letting it out. This is meant to produce a sudden drop or fall (movement to the right) of the needle on the dial, similar to an LFBD. If the needle doesn't move far enough, it is assumed that the PC in not sessionable by reason of being tired or hungry; this simple test is meant to measure what Hubbard calls "basal matabololism", but it unknown to me how it works.
Apparently, there is some connection to taking a deep breath and the restistance of the body dropping, but it is unlikely in my opinion that this has anything to do with how much the PC has slept or eaten. In all likelihood, this is a learned biofeedback mechanism, and can sometimes be used to get out of a session that the PC does not want to take. If the test does not work the first time, often the PC is asked to wait a minute and try again, this time breathing deeper. If this doesn't work, the PC is sent running off to get a candy bar from a machine or some such, eat that, come back, and the test is tried once more. Of course, under normal conditions in Scientology, and especially for staff, the PC is always tired. However, if the PC is deemed "unsessionable" because of poor results on the metab test, he or she is often sent packing to Ethics.
From: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/metabol ...- greenvortex, on 04/18/2008, -2/+14I'll bust the myth for you right now: the e-meter works (at least, as claimed at the lower levels). It's a simple galvanic skin response lie detector. In auditing, they ask you embarassing questions like "have you ever had a homosexual experience" or "have you ever stolen something from someone who trusts you" and watch your response to see if you have a guilty reaction. Then they ask you to relive (in your mind) that experience, several times, until you have some kind of epiphany about how it happened and how it affected you. Meanwhile, they take copious notes and compile an ever-growing folder full of your dirty little secrets, which they can later leverage to keep you from leaving the Church.
- gllopc, on 04/18/2008, -0/+4Yeah - I've been through plenty of that, and answered both of those questions until I was blue in the face.
- greenvortex, on 04/18/2008, -2/+14I'll bust the myth for you right now: the e-meter works (at least, as claimed at the lower levels). It's a simple galvanic skin response lie detector. In auditing, they ask you embarassing questions like "have you ever had a homosexual experience" or "have you ever stolen something from someone who trusts you" and watch your response to see if you have a guilty reaction. Then they ask you to relive (in your mind) that experience, several times, until you have some kind of epiphany about how it happened and how it affected you. Meanwhile, they take copious notes and compile an ever-growing folder full of your dirty little secrets, which they can later leverage to keep you from leaving the Church.
- liquidpele, on 04/18/2008, -2/+30They could not "disprove" the spirituality part of it (cough, *****, cough) but they could:
1) Take it apart, see what it actually does
2) Test it for reproducibility within a short time span.
3) Test it on animals
4) Test it on non-living things like leather jackets, ground beef, roadkill, a person in the morgue, etc.- s205521, on 04/18/2008, -1/+19And then blow it up!
- gllopc, on 04/18/2008, -0/+5They could do a pinch test:
While holding onto the cans, and with the needle in the center of the dial, pinch the persons arm who is holdng the cans, the needle will drop to the right
Then recenter the needle on the dial
Ask the person holding the cans to recall the moment of the pinch, at which point the need should fall to the right again
Have the person repeat the recall of the pinch until the needle no longer falls to the right
In an org, that's how they demonstrate the emeter to a passerby, and something MythBusters could prove, or show why it works.
- lamiaconfitor, on 04/18/2008, -1/+7I think mine works fine, I got tails, that means I am unholy, right?
- laserdog, on 04/18/2008, -2/+4The scientific method is a wonderful thing. And I love Mythbusters for being such champions of it (even if they often forget the "rigor").
That said one requirement of the scientific method be that you are attempting to measure something empirically measurable.
Spirituality differs for everyone, making it the exact opposite sort of thing that the scientific method is supposed to measure.
The scientific method is an awesome tool. But you can't hammer invisible nails. Failing to do so is not evidence that the nails don't exist.- liquidpele, on 04/18/2008, -2/+4If you were to have said "imaginary *****" instead of "spirituality" I think you would have had it.
- Falldog, on 04/18/2008, -32/+8I don't think they should, simply because it opens up a big can of worms (testing various religious things). They'd have to test things against all religions to not look bias, and that alone wouldn't turn out well.
- schroeder, on 04/18/2008, -0/+17They would just be testing the technology and whether or not it actually does anything. It is not bias to test something for any reason. All that comes from it are the facts, positive or negative.
- ggriffit, on 04/18/2008, -0/+4I agree with schroeder. It's testing the product not the faith behind it. They could test a bush to see if it burns.
- AngryFox, on 04/18/2008, -0/+5While I agree with your concerns that the show might look biased by testing a single "religious article", as far as I'm aware, Scientology is the only "religion" that uses "modern technology" to evaluate believers. That pretty much opens the door for this kind of analysis no? Is anyone aware of any other "religion" using electronic devices as part of their "faith"?
- oldhick, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2They've tested walking on water myths, although the focus was on ninjas... Nothing wrong with using science to test myths.
- absurdist, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1You mean like the tests on the Shroud of Turin?
- mcbigham, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1It has been done. http://www.shroud2000.com/CarbonDatingNews.html
- schroeder, on 04/18/2008, -0/+17They would just be testing the technology and whether or not it actually does anything. It is not bias to test something for any reason. All that comes from it are the facts, positive or negative.
- StanleyKoolPrik, on 04/18/2008, -48/+12Please keep your petty agendas away from my show. Thanks.
- deekismusic, on 04/18/2008, -0/+9Exposing dangerous cults is more petty than the trivial stuff they usually perform?
Your right, this might be more suitable for *****! - thecosmicpope, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2Hold up. Your show? You are the Discovery Channel? Or Peter Rees? Or....JAMIE!?
- deekismusic, on 04/18/2008, -0/+9Exposing dangerous cults is more petty than the trivial stuff they usually perform?
- Hnnnnnghhh, on 04/18/2008, -6/+47Uphold your internet duty, register on the forum and support the idea.
- veriix, on 04/18/2008, -1/+7As an avid Internet user I would like to point out that you said "duty"
- jbrowng, on 04/18/2008, -4/+1Huh?
- chinpo, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1Doody.
- jbrowng, on 04/18/2008, -4/+1Huh?
- veriix, on 04/18/2008, -1/+7As an avid Internet user I would like to point out that you said "duty"
- EwMo, on 04/18/2008, -10/+113[to be the devil's advocate] No. Why give it more attention than it deserves and tie it to a legitimate, established show?
- iPenis, on 04/18/2008, -5/+26for the lulz
- americascynic, on 04/18/2008, -0/+8Yeah! Plus, this could totally ruin the Mythbusters. Sorry. As much as I'd like to see them just laugh and automatically bust the myth, I'd rather them not do this and remain on the air.You know they'd be sued so quickly, and Discovery would more likely dump their show then help support them legally. Probably not a smart move for their career... unless they did an un-aired episode that would be released with the season DVD.
- andrewmac44, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3You think Discovery would drop the show that gets the average person to watch their channel? Hah. If they did do this episode the lawyers would have clearer it long before recording too.
- Bakebehe, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1Yea I have to say I doubt they would do this. Those guys are pretty quirky dudes, and I'm sure they'd go for it, but the producers and such would never ever go for it in the current climate.
- FoghornLeghorn, on 04/18/2008, -2/+7There's no need for the Mythbusters to at anytime delve into the area of religion of any kind. We all know no religion would stand up to scientific scrutiny, at least those parts of it that are actually in any way testable. It's creating a controversy that is unnecessary and could hurt a very entertaining show.
- Madoc, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5Agreed. Mythbusters should not delve into religion, but we all know Scientology is a cult not a religion.
- sloppychris, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2Testable like a "machine"? Used by a group with the word "science" as their name?
- Madoc, on 04/18/2008, -1/+8Because Scientology is a fraud and should be exposed as such. Just as any local news might do a story on a local scam artist. They have had years of under the radar recruiting and by showing them for the scam artists they are hopefully less people will get ripped off.
- mbraynard, on 04/18/2008, -2/+1What 'legitimate, established' show are you speaking of, countryman?
- sweeneyowns, on 04/18/2008, -5/+12dude is the matter that they should do it even be a question? of course they SHOULD do it. adam and jamie def have the balls to go through with it. i'm not sure, but i'm betting one of the execs in the family of discovery channels is in fact part of the cult and would never let that happen.... too bad wikipedia doesn't include religious preferences.
- Suricou, on 04/18/2008, -2/+3They wouldn't have to be part of the cult. They would just need to know how lawer-happy it is. Why would they risk producing a program that will have a high probability of the CoS filing some type of legal action?
- emotecontrol, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3Because that would be such excellent ***** publicity for the show, it would be like pissing hundred dollar bills.
- geedots, on 04/18/2008, -2/+1I'm stumped by your first sentence. I think you're trying to say three things at once. Slow down there, tiger.
Dude, where's my car? + Is the question even that they should do it? + What'sa matta you? = "dude is the matter that they should do it even be a question?"
- Suricou, on 04/18/2008, -2/+3They wouldn't have to be part of the cult. They would just need to know how lawer-happy it is. Why would they risk producing a program that will have a high probability of the CoS filing some type of legal action?
- sheepdipbitch, on 04/18/2008, -5/+23Do it. Don't think. DO IT.
- EwMo, on 04/18/2008, -3/+9Certainly. Rash decisions are ALWAYS the best. Why would anyone ever think about decisions?
- hammerpants, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3Thinking is overrated.
- AlMightyBob90, on 04/18/2008, -0/+5Yes, let's all quote Total Recall. It was full of good advice.
- EwMo, on 04/18/2008, -3/+9Certainly. Rash decisions are ALWAYS the best. Why would anyone ever think about decisions?
- HailXenu, on 04/18/2008, -1/+9Great idea! And I think Arnie "Exposing the CON for Over 10 Years!™" Lerma has some. He used to make them when he was in, actually.
- Johnny1337h4x0r, on 04/18/2008, -12/+189[This comment has been removed due to legal action by the Church of Scientology]
- ORBAT, on 04/18/2008, -3/+27You need to seek medical attention immediately. I didn't even think it was possible to insert one in there. Ew.
- staffa, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3Wow, that puts 2 girls 1 cup in a whole new light.
Please don't do that again. - selmer, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2I just barfed in my mouth and passed out twice...this comment will haunt my dreams. You have through extreme grossness and superhuman intelligence disproved Scientology, and sent it rocketing into oblivion at the same time. I can die in peace.
- blademanx, on 04/18/2008, -3/+1Are these comments cool again? I honestly didnt see it coming.
- naonao, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2What happened with this comment?
- Guitarhero10, on 04/18/2008, -1/+7Woosh
- stereoa, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5It was removed due to legal action from the Church of Scientology! Duh! I'm glad I saw it before they took it down.
- fwertz, on 04/18/2008, -0/+4[This comment despite being moderated is still totally accurate in that the Church of Scientology is a snowball of fail]
I'd rather accept creationism than that *****.
- AndyStitzer, on 04/18/2008, -5/+16Xenu would not be pleased
- lamiaconfitor, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5I thought he was the bad guy... maybe he'd be ecstatic. in his NASA dc10, and all
- smacksaw, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3No because then he would have to admit he didn't exist.
He only exists because he believes he does. - B3000, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1Yes, Xenu is the bad guy in CoS. None of these digg idiots have any idea what their talking about - which is a shame, because CoS really does need to be taken down.
- smacksaw, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3No because then he would have to admit he didn't exist.
- lamiaconfitor, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5I thought he was the bad guy... maybe he'd be ecstatic. in his NASA dc10, and all
- doctorfungi, on 04/18/2008, -5/+213My Thetan reader works fine. The best $345,234 I have ever spent.
- clubdirthill002, on 04/18/2008, -2/+2Really? What a deal! I spent $437,952!
- Rotzooi, on 04/18/2008, -6/+7Normally, I'd say, "Why?"
Because it's an obvious scam. But in these times, hell yeah! - rhabd0mancer, on 04/18/2008, -6/+48No. They'd probably screw up somehow and actually validate the Cult of Scientology's crazy beliefs.
"Well, Jamie, I'm amazed. According to our data, there may actually be something to this! I'm calling this Plausible."- iLEZ, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4"Well i'll be darned!"
- lamiaconfitor, on 04/18/2008, -0/+14"well, Adam, it does something, we just don't know what it is."
- Suricou, on 04/18/2008, -2/+13It won't happen. The Mythbusters could tackle the meter and show its uslessness easily, but for them to do that they would need support from the rest of the commercial chain for their program - the producer and the network. Both of which I imagine are well aware of how eager the Church of Scientology is to call in the lawyers. I just can't see them taking the risk of investing time and money in a program which will very likely get them sued.
- liquidpele, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2I dunno.... They're running out of things to test... I mean, aren't they on movie stuff now? I was watching them show what was reality and false in jaws and james bond for crying out loud.
- NoMiT, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2However think about hte ratings boost from news coverage
- Jovensdesciple, on 04/18/2008, -84/+3No because thetan readers aren't fake. However Obama being a Christian IS a myth... They should expose that one. But they won't because like you, they are too busy being lame.
- fakekevinrose, on 04/18/2008, -5/+38Please, stop. America does not need more uneducated bible voters.
- Jovensdesciple, on 04/18/2008, -24/+3I am not a Christian and wish everyone would stop assuming that I am. I respect religions that promote goodness and God... thats all. My religion tells me to follow the words of Joven. You don't know who Joven is. Leave me alone about it unless you are in need of and are willing to accept a lesson on Him. It could change your life *****.
- ChronoMojo, on 04/18/2008, -3/+26It could change your life (COMMA) *****.
I wonder what would happen if my life ***** was changed.- Jovensdesciple, on 04/18/2008, -25/+2Well you know how taking it in the ***** feels. Reverse that and that's how it feels (comma) you snotty little *****.
- pintomp3, on 04/18/2008, -1/+20you are one angry disciple. say hi to bon joven for me.
- oldhick, on 04/18/2008, -2/+10Wow, if your faith leads you to be the jerk you're being, than I hope no one on Digg is stupid enough to learn more.
- LMaxey, on 04/18/2008, -1/+8No joke. What a ***** religion to piss its followers off so much.
- rymos, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2How about: It could change your life (COLON) *****.
Sorry couldn't resist.
- rhabd0mancer, on 04/18/2008, -3/+4You'll be going straight to Hell when you die.
Have fun, Skippy. - americascynic, on 04/18/2008, -1/+9If you respect religions that promote goodness and God, then you wouldn't be wasting your time on digg lecturing folk about how lame they are. This goes against many religious codes. You know, the whole "judge not, lest ye be judged" thing. Just because someone is "religious", or goes to church each week doesn't mean they're a good person.
- rabidbob, on 04/18/2008, -2/+6We'll leave you alone when you leave other people alone. You are (a) spamming random crap into a discussion about a totally different subject, (b) insulting someone else's faith in a public forum. After doing both of those asking people to leave you alone is more than a bit hypocritical.
- conisking, on 04/18/2008, -1/+1some people are blinded by their own faith...
- hammburglar, on 04/18/2008, -2/+2darn looks like obamas not gonna get he joven vote. he really needs to reach out to the crazies.
- ChronoMojo, on 04/18/2008, -3/+26It could change your life (COMMA) *****.
- jamesdew, on 04/18/2008, -2/+20Joven is the pioneer of Electric Water Heater manufacturing in Malaysia
What can he teach me? - solesoul, on 04/18/2008, -5/+11Hey guys, Jovensdesciple is awesome!
"Hey guys, look at me! I get on the internets and swear at people who don't agree with me, cuz thats cool and hip nowadays right!?"
- Jovensdesciple, on 04/18/2008, -24/+3I am not a Christian and wish everyone would stop assuming that I am. I respect religions that promote goodness and God... thats all. My religion tells me to follow the words of Joven. You don't know who Joven is. Leave me alone about it unless you are in need of and are willing to accept a lesson on Him. It could change your life *****.
- kinseyincanada, on 04/18/2008, -0/+11so i googled Joven and all i got was a Electric Eater Heating Company and a charity, im actually interested in what it is? could you enlighten us?
- cbittle, on 04/18/2008, -2/+11That was actually painful to read.
- admdrew, on 04/18/2008, -2/+3He is apparently not a disciple of English spelling.
- GhostyBoy, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3Laugh out loud at this being someone's real opinion.
- hammburglar, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2youre trying way to hard to piss people off. but instead you just make us laugh.
- coyote1284, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3Googled "joven religion". All results were in Spanish, so I really have no clue. Please, enlighten me in a side message, JD.
- ElectricDoodie, on 04/18/2008, -0/+5"Joven" means "youth" or "young" in Portuguese. I'm brazilian, so I only know the Portuguese. Maybe also in Spanish, but for sure in Portuguese.
- Sighyggdrasil, on 04/18/2008, -1/+1Honestly, what does that have to do with anything?
- dagnabbit, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3Please, never procreate.
- noahgelman, on 04/19/2008, -1/+1It works? Can you explain how? You have to know right? Or else you wouldn't know if it was doing anything
- fakekevinrose, on 04/18/2008, -5/+38Please, stop. America does not need more uneducated bible voters.
- tkcom, on 04/18/2008, -8/+1Very likely they'll get lawsuit... or even dead threat.
- americascynic, on 04/18/2008, -0/+14Dead threats are even more serious then death threats.
- Boooohjoke, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4They send the threats inscribed into the skin of scientologist thugs.
- americascynic, on 04/18/2008, -0/+14Dead threats are even more serious then death threats.
- Steven8890, on 04/18/2008, -3/+12They can't. I suppose they would take a base reading from both Jamie and Adam, have one practice the "religion" and the other carry on as usual and then after a few months take another reading and see the difference. The problem is how exactly do you practice this "religion"? Don't you need to be apart of it? And do you think that The Church Of Scientology would be up for scientific inquiry?
- cbittle, on 04/18/2008, -2/+3"And do you think that The Church Of *Scientology* would be up for *scientific* inquiry?" Oh the irony!
- schizogony, on 04/18/2008, -3/+26I'd rather they didn't because I want Jamie and Adam to stay alive.
- SwitchXFactor, on 04/18/2008, -1/+8Screw Adam and Jamie, I only care about Carrie... mmmmm...
- horscategorie, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5You don't need a reader to understand my thetans when she comes on the show...
- Fracture98, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2She doesn't care about you. You spelled her name wrong.
- darlingt, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1*Kari. And she's married.
- odganarb, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2Forget Kari, Scottie was the hotness. Only to be replaced in season 3 by Roger Chang Jr. What a shame.
- SwitchXFactor, on 04/18/2008, -1/+8Screw Adam and Jamie, I only care about Carrie... mmmmm...
- RedAmerican, on 04/18/2008, -4/+9That would be the best Mythbusters ever. Fact.
- snurfle, on 04/18/2008, -1/+131Penn & Teller, not Mythbusters!
- grimward, on 04/18/2008, -2/+23Yes, I agree, P&T would be more suitable for this scam :)
- liquidpele, on 04/18/2008, -2/+7The episode would just be them staring at the screen like the audience was a dumbass and saying "*****" for 30 minutes...
- starblink, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4Someone should mail Penn & Teller.
- smotpoker1, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3Penn and Teller would kick ass and cuss them out.I would love to see that show.Anybody that shows up on the show called "*****" had better be prepared for a reaming if they are conning because Penn and Teller will rip you a new *****.They use facts so the COS would not like them at all.Damn I hope Penn and Teller look at digg.
- anonymnii, on 04/18/2008, -1/+7Come to think of it, P&T would be a much better choice.
- centran, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2mythbusters is the more logical choice because of their lack of direct connection to the major entertainment industry but the producers would never go for it.
Penn and Teller have the balls but they work much more closely with the entertainment industry so the risk of burning bridges is big. - thouse94080, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1P&T it is! lol Tom Cruise would have a fit though.
- GoingToShibuya, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2From what I remember they did do a episode on this but the producers had to throw it away because of pressure from Showtime. COS up to there dirty games again >_
- grimward, on 04/18/2008, -2/+23Yes, I agree, P&T would be more suitable for this scam :)
- Hacker3dward, on 04/18/2008, -7/+4I think they should tackle psystar.
- MyExSucks, on 04/18/2008, -2/+2dude, that's not a myth, just a scam. get with the program.
- molochi, on 04/18/2008, -1/+1While I don't have any concrete evidence bout the intentions of psystar, I suspect that this was just failure to understand
1) the demand for a really cheap Mac (regardless ofthe legality)
2) the desire of current Mac owners to prevent it from happening
3) the "if it's not for $ it's OK" mentality.
4) that a webshop advertising the mess worldwide is not the way to fly under the radar of Apple while you smuggle out systems.
- inflagrante, on 04/18/2008, -7/+9here's an idea - why not just ignore the scientology numpties? i can't begin to guess how much interest is generated from all the media attention they get, and you know that there are idiots who have signed up purely because their interest has been piqued by the ridiculous coverage they get. That said, they have a right to do what they do, and you're never going to stop that, or remove the susceptible idiots who buy into their crap from society, so just cut off the oxygen of publicity and leave them to fizzle out as the ridiculous cult they are? Tom Cruise isn't immortal is he? is he?....
- liquidpele, on 04/18/2008, -3/+6Like we tried to Ignore the Nazies?
random guy: Hey! Godwin's law!
me: *blam!*
random guy: I've been shot! What are you a nazi?
me: Hey! Godwin's law!- inflagrante, on 04/18/2008, -6/+2that's right, that's an excellent and well thought out comparison. Nazis and Scientologists. Perhaps you should go do some homework.
- liquidpele, on 04/18/2008, -0/+5It was a joke about Godwin's law... sheesh!
- lamiaconfitor, on 04/18/2008, -2/+6You Nazi.
- inflagrante, on 04/18/2008, -6/+2that's right, that's an excellent and well thought out comparison. Nazis and Scientologists. Perhaps you should go do some homework.
- anstice85, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3You think the Church of Scientology is going to fizzle out? It's been around for a few decades and hasn't yet. What makes you think it'll fizzle out, especially with financial backing from celebrities? ..perhaps if more people knew the truth about it, it would stop scamming people..
- junkwheel, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2Worst idea EVAR.
People need to speak out. This is a CULT, absolutely no doubt whatsoever. Operating, and recruiting new, nice, normal, people ALL THE TIME. Practicing their complete *****, tearing families apart, taking peoples money and royally ***** their heads up. It wont go away on it's own and it's not just some science joke. - fuzzybeard, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1Tom Cruise immortal? Let's find out!
- liquidpele, on 04/18/2008, -3/+6Like we tried to Ignore the Nazies?
- MrFrankly, on 04/18/2008, -6/+6No. Everyone knows that a 'thetan' reader is *****. Why test it and give the illusion that it anything more than a device to scare people into joining a religious cult. It's not a device based on scientific ideas so the CoS can make up a million reasons why the tests have failed and do not represent 'real' results. 'The device was faulty', 'the operator didn't handle it properly', 'the test subject wasn't right', etc.
Things like these are unscientific for a reason. So you can't debunk them. Don't give them credit by suggesting that the scientific method can say anything about their devices. Just leave them in the corner of unprovable religious idiocy.- liquidpele, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3Not everyone knows this. How devices work is one of those things a lot of people just take for granted, and never realize it's not really that hard or magic.
As a for instance, I met someone that was worried that if they click the mouse on the wrong part of the screen, the computer could break or catch fire. - americascynic, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2They could easily dismantle the thing, point out what it actually "measures" (hint: it's nothing) and prove that all it does is make meters fluctuate and other bells and whistles go off to make it look like there's something scientific about it. There's your proof for you.
- dilpil1, on 04/18/2008, -2/+3Have you ever... seen the show?
- liquidpele, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3Not everyone knows this. How devices work is one of those things a lot of people just take for granted, and never realize it's not really that hard or magic.
- GreatWhiteShaky, on 04/18/2008, -2/+31What if doing this converted Jamie and Adam to scientologists? Could you really live with the guilt?
- Elliottx, on 04/18/2008, -8/+2Yes plz. Kthx.
- DarkFoxDK, on 04/18/2008, -2/+55Jamie would never do it.
Quote from the pyramid-magic ep. "No more oogie-boogie myths!"- satyarth, on 04/18/2008, -8/+1 I was just browsing through the replies in that forum and couldn't help noticing that you registered today...
- DarkFoxDK, on 04/18/2008, -0/+7Yes, but what does that have to do with anything?
- fwertz, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1But does what that do to with have anything, Yes?
- solesoul, on 04/18/2008, -0/+7Everybody's gotta register sometime, he just chose today
- DarkFoxDK, on 04/18/2008, -0/+7Yes, but what does that have to do with anything?
- satyarth, on 04/18/2008, -8/+1 I was just browsing through the replies in that forum and couldn't help noticing that you registered today...
- valleyvideo, on 04/18/2008, -1/+9How about a Mythbusters with the Thetan Reader, Transubstantiation, and post-suicide bomb Virgins?
- iLEZ, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2I'm all for alchemy and jihad, but i won't give COS any more tv-time than necessary.
- barc0de, on 04/18/2008, -2/+6Well, they just did lie detector myths, and the e-meter is just a very basic lie detector. So what are they testing? You can't test it's ability to detect thetans because you would first have to prove thetans exist. At that point you are in Russells Teapot territory.
- wentwj, on 04/18/2008, -9/+12Yes they should test the thetan reader. Then they should test walking on water (scratch that, they already did that in the ninja episode and figured out it wasn't possible). They could try virgin birth, water to wine, never ending fish supply, parting the red sea, and a whole host of other things.
All you anti scientology people best be atheist, otherwise you're just the biggest hypocrites ever.- gllopc, on 04/18/2008, -1/+10You're comparing electronic apples to imaginary oranges.
- americascynic, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3Thank you! Someone had to say it.
- jeremyduffy, on 04/18/2008, -2/+4The basis of scientology is that these things can read something, but if they can prove it's bogus and doesn't do ANYTHING or that the results are RANDOM then it proves that the e-meter is crap. There's no religion to it.
- gllopc, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3The basis of Scientology is that we are all spiritual beings, not simply bodies, and that we an learn about ourselves and achieve a bodiless, eternal existence by looking at the world around it, understanding it, and thus understanding ourselves. One purpose of the e-meter is definitely as you stated - to prove that we are a spiritual being and not a body. BUT, the belief that we are spiritual beings by the Church existed years before the e-meter, and so it's not going to change any minds.
I wish you were right, though.
- gllopc, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3The basis of Scientology is that we are all spiritual beings, not simply bodies, and that we an learn about ourselves and achieve a bodiless, eternal existence by looking at the world around it, understanding it, and thus understanding ourselves. One purpose of the e-meter is definitely as you stated - to prove that we are a spiritual being and not a body. BUT, the belief that we are spiritual beings by the Church existed years before the e-meter, and so it's not going to change any minds.
- americascynic, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5See, the problem with Scientology is that they're trying to pass off their readings as a scientific measurement. Real religions give tales of impossible feats, and you just have to believe they're true, whether it's plausible or not. They call it blind faith. Also, discovery channel did a 2 hour special talking about how through natural elements, and misinterpretations of locations, the events of the exodus story (the 10 plagues and the parting of the sea) could (from a scientific/historical perspective) have happened. Perhaps there's a grain of truth to these religious stories, much like there are in all these urban myths.
- priestess355, on 04/18/2008, -2/+5Yup, atheist...
- dilpil1, on 04/18/2008, -2/+1One of the most insightful comments yet.
- nexus420, on 04/18/2008, -2/+1Christian miracles may not be testable, but they were witnessed and recorded by lots of people. Many of whom died rather than recant. Big difference.
- redhook, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2Real religions dont charge you money to move up in the religion, infact Scientology is nothing more then a never ending money pit that was specifically created to line the pockets of the "churchs" leaders. But dont take my word for it, do some research.
- gllopc, on 04/18/2008, -1/+10You're comparing electronic apples to imaginary oranges.
- brainflakes, on 04/18/2008, -1/+6Covered by wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-meter
- thephosphorbox, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4I would like to see them actually dismantle one and find out exactly how it works.. what it's actually measuring.
- schroeder, on 04/18/2008, -1/+1Maybe it will be in the next issue of Make Magazine. DIY E-Meter!
- ZekeSulastin, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2Too late: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/index.h ... has a LOT of info about the thing, and a link to a guy who designed his own and has the PCB crap online ...
- gllopc, on 04/18/2008, -1/+12The e-meter doesn't measure "thetans". At one point, a Scientologist do use it to find thetans (spirits) that are connected to him/her, but that's not what the device actually does or it's principle purpose. It's a wheatstone bridge which does nothing more than measure electrical resistance as it travels from one part of the body to another; in this case, from the left hand to the right hand.
The idea is that engrams (memories which contain emotional or physical pain) impinge upon the body when stimulated by consideration on behalf of the person, preventing electricity from flowing through the body properly, causing the needle to drop on the meter. The auditor (counselor) detects the drop, noting it on a paper in front of him, and uses this as a indicator that he is to go back over that memory until it no longer "reads" on the meter; a sign that the memory no longer impinges on the person.- BoneheadFarker, on 04/18/2008, -3/+0Ok...prove it.
- agimat, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2Thanks Tom.
- gllopc, on 04/18/2008, -1/+1Ha! I *wish* I had his money.
- Angostura, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4That's probably the clearest explanation I've ever seen of this malarky. Thanks
- gllopc, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2I've seen people make claims of what an e-meter does, but no one ever really gets it right. They say it's a primitive lie detector, but that's not what it *does*.
See my comment above on how the church uses it to prove that it aid in removing the affect of engrams, using a "pinch test".
- gllopc, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2I've seen people make claims of what an e-meter does, but no one ever really gets it right. They say it's a primitive lie detector, but that's not what it *does*.
- exomni, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2I imagined you saying that all while jumping on a couch and rubbing your lower lip. It was much more enjoyable.
- latinstud025, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3Well said. Intresting theory, basically, talking about painful crap till your over it. Unfortunatly I think we all know what Co$ does wit hthe responses.
- jeremyduffy, on 04/18/2008, -2/+3Oh god!! That would be SWEEEEET! Of course, I doubt they would, but MAN that would be good. Following that, the lawsuit that strips the of their "religion" status. I mean, come ON! The Germans were smart enough to label them a cult? What the hell is wrong with America?
- redhook, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1You really should read this article on the subject. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,9 ...
- stealth45, on 04/18/2008, -3/+8http://cgi.ebay.com/Scientology-Mark-Super-VII-Qua ...
:)
This comment will be irrelevant in 17 hours.- ValiantReaper, on 04/18/2008, -3/+5Too late. Ebay and scientology are butt buddies.
- exomni, on 04/18/2008, -1/+1And Digg decided to hack up the link anyway.
- Maddcovv, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4http://cgi.ebay.com/Scientology-Mark-Super-VII-Qua ...
- Atomic05, on 04/18/2008, -0/+4I could think of about fifty better things I could do with $2099, and only half of them involve hookers.
- ValiantReaper, on 04/18/2008, -3/+5Too late. Ebay and scientology are butt buddies.
- mutz, on 04/18/2008, -7/+722 Girls, 1 e-meter
- qwertycopter, on 04/18/2008, -2/+72 comments, 1 aging meme
- myststrngr, on 04/18/2008, -1/+22 replies, to 1 irrelevent comment
- solesoul, on 04/18/2008, -7/+3C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!
- exomni, on 04/18/2008, -2/+3Actually you just fulfilled myststrngr's prophecy of an irrelevant comment.
- nedev, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2Second! Truly he is the messiah.
- solesoul, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3maybe so, but I seem to notice an extreme lack of that combo continuing, and its all thanks to my combo breaker
- davydany, on 04/18/2008, -9/+4my friend told me this a while ago. if a person is stupid enough to believe in emeters and scientology in all its "beauty", let them do it! Its Natural Selection! That is all it is! Natural Selection roots out the idiots in our society and keeps the ones who are smart enough to pass down their genes.
i just hope the church of scientology doesn't remove this.- SwitchXFactor, on 04/18/2008, -2/+5Right but what's stopping believers of Scientology from reproducing? It's not natural selection unless they are stupid enough to kill themselves, but all Co$ does is rob/kidnap/rap people.
- karlisjones, on 04/18/2008, -3/+1..um wow..you know.. a whole lot of nuthhn
- 7h3Dru, on 04/18/2008, -2/+5That's not natural selection at all. Scientologists can pass on genes just as easily as anyone.
- exomni, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3What the hell are you talking about? Why would nature weed out scientologists? If that were the case, scientology would have never developed in the first place, let alone grown so popular? And how does genetic selection apply to religious belief?
- asherchang, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2Then how come there are scientology private schools, and how did Tom Cruise have a baby? Baka.
- SwitchXFactor, on 04/18/2008, -2/+5Right but what's stopping believers of Scientology from reproducing? It's not natural selection unless they are stupid enough to kill themselves, but all Co$ does is rob/kidnap/rap people.
- Hypermarkalan, on 04/18/2008, -4/+5After they test the e-meter, are they going to test a wafer after it has transubstantiated into the host?
- mhummel, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2Of course, and then in true Mythbusters fashion they'd build an elaborate rig to test the host. Naturally, being Mythbusters they'd source the wafer from an Anglican church (instead of a Catholic one), test it and consequently call it "busted".
- mizike, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2yeah, I've always thought mythbusters was retarded for that very reason....
"if the two of us can't figure it out in a weekend, it must be impossible....BUSTED!!!"
- mizike, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2yeah, I've always thought mythbusters was retarded for that very reason....
- mushtakrakish, on 04/18/2008, -1/+0well put hyper!
- mhummel, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2Of course, and then in true Mythbusters fashion they'd build an elaborate rig to test the host. Naturally, being Mythbusters they'd source the wafer from an Anglican church (instead of a Catholic one), test it and consequently call it "busted".
- bookon, on 04/18/2008, -8/+1I would like to see them take on all religion. It would be great for them to show that creationism, the flood and all that other crap is just that... Crap. Of course they already took on Walking on Water.
- viewofeverlast, on 04/18/2008, -1/+6Yes, because two goofy looking guys on discovery channel can disprove what others have failed at disproving for all of time.
- bookon, on 04/18/2008, -7/+0Two guys and ALL OF SCIENCE.
- viewofeverlast, on 04/18/2008, -0/+4Can't be done. Sorry.
- bookon, on 04/18/2008, -7/+0Two guys and ALL OF SCIENCE.
- viewofeverlast, on 04/18/2008, -1/+6Yes, because two goofy looking guys on discovery channel can disprove what others have failed at disproving for all of time.
- dimplemonkey, on 04/18/2008, -2/+9Instead of Mythbusters, hand this one over to Penn Jillette. Does he still have that show on Showtime called Bull*hit? He'd be perfect and he wouldn't care what would happen.
- notneilcasey, on 04/18/2008, -0/+0Actually, I remember reading in an interview somewhere during the whole South Park-Scientology-Isaac Hayes row that part of the reason Trey & Matt decided to make an anti-Scientology South Park episode was that their good friend Penn had been precluded from tackling the CoS as a topic on *****.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapped_in_the_Closet ...
- notneilcasey, on 04/18/2008, -0/+0Actually, I remember reading in an interview somewhere during the whole South Park-Scientology-Isaac Hayes row that part of the reason Trey & Matt decided to make an anti-Scientology South Park episode was that their good friend Penn had been precluded from tackling the CoS as a topic on *****.
- JedicodeWarrior, on 04/18/2008, -5/+3Should they? Yes. Will there? No, they don't have the balls to stir that pot of *****.
- JohnnieWalker, on 04/18/2008, -3/+1I think they will do it
- myststrngr, on 04/18/2008, -2/+0Exactly. I'm sure they value their jobs more than they would enjoy busting a myth everyone already know the answer to.
- viewofeverlast, on 04/18/2008, -4/+33Why would they tackle the Thetan Reader? That would be like tackling the story of the three little pigs.
Mythbusters uncovers myths, not fairytales.- radarbeam, on 04/18/2008, -2/+3Thanks, at least someone with some common sense.
Mythbuster is a cool show, let's try not to ruin it with cos crap. - humbled, on 04/18/2008, -3/+2Umm, the thetan reader is a physical device that Scientologists use to "measure" the # of thetans in a person. Mythbusters could "bust" it by showing what it's actually reading - randomness, galvanic skin response, or whatever the machine does to get its numbers.
- radarbeam, on 04/18/2008, -2/+3Thanks, at least someone with some common sense.
- PureGuava, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1If they do, they should also tackle Turning water to wine, noahs ark, etc.
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