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watchingheroes.com — Pretty good overview of the happenings in Episode 20, Five Years Gone.

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  • Jrr6415sun, on 10/12/2007, -2/+77The best part was the twist with Sylar/Nathan.. that was so good and shocking.
  • dingmah, on 10/12/2007, -5/+66It's awesome to see that future Peter is a badass, because up till now, he's been kind of a pussy.
  • kenvsryu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+58It was my favorite episode since the cheerleader was 22 and legal.
  • aaronwolfe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+46I think the scar will be explained before the end of the season.

    I love this show, but I hope they get a bigger budget for special effects next season.
  • a0me, on 10/12/2007, -2/+38Hope we get a full Peter vs Sylar fight before the end of season 1.
  • chimaera2005, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37Six replies go by and nobody mentions that her name is Claire not Blaire?
  • Jrr6415sun, on 10/12/2007, -6/+40wow people get so confused like this

    In the first time line, Sylar kills Claire, Hiro stabs Sylar, Sylar regenerates and blows up NewYork.

    In the second timeline, Hiro goes back in time to the subway and tells Peter to save the cheerleader. Peter saves the cheerleader, but he blows up NY.

    This episode was the future of the second timeline

    Now that Hiro saw the future, I'm assuming he's going back to try to kill Sylar (and other things?) to prevent that future from hapenning.
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+36I thought highlight of the episode was Hiro going ninja on the secret service SWAT team. Another highlight was the fact that Parkman turned into a quasi-badass. That was cool because he has pretty much sucked the entire series. Peter's character was awesome too. I would love to see either a spinoff web series or comic following that alternate universe, or how it got that way.

    It was just an overall awesome episode..especially with the Sylar twist at the end (did that mean that he killed DL?).

  • RexMaxus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35I agree, but only because she isn't jail bait in that episode.
  • Makubex, on 10/12/2007, -16/+45Highlight of the episode, brunette Blaire... I believe I speak for everyone when I say: "God damn!"
  • boyasunder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Birds gotta fly
    Fish gotta swim
    Geeks gotta point out logical inconsistencies.

    It's how we roll.
  • nickbender, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22no, he just gave me a reason to watch the episode.
  • Jennica, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20One of the best shows out there today.
  • s1nister, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22What I don't understand is that shouldn't Hiro or Peter be able to stop time and just kill Sylar? And even if he has the cheerleader abilities, shouldn't they be able to stick some giant stick into his head and temporarily kill him like what happened to both Claire and Peter in previous episodes. Furthermore, assuming Claire died from the whole cutting head open thing, shouldn't they be able to slice his head open and just remove and goo and be done with it? I just don't understand how he can be such a big threat to people who can manipulate the space time continuum.
  • nosnhojm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21I believe that one of two things happened:

    1. The haitian prevented Peter from using his healing powers
    2. Something/someone else has the power to prevent Peter from using his healing powers (maybe Hiro's sword, or the little girl in the promo's)
  • sofaKing812, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Yeah, I think that was my favorite episode so far, but I though Peter got that scar from his fight with Sylar before the explosion.

    I really wanted to see how Hiro changed (and killed a bunch of people supposedly) after Ando dies.
  • nickbender, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17yes... it does.

    although we must remember that even in the future peter still has more power than sylar... because he has all of sylars power... and parkmans... and now assumedly the haitians.

    i still really want to know how the f peter loses it and blows up NY though.
  • whowantthefunk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14You can avoid the paradox argument by assuming that since Hiro is a time traveler that he lives outside the normal time line. Take this for example. The original time line is Sylar kills Claire, Hiro stabs Sylar, Sylar regenerates and goes nuclear. This kills Ando and cause Hiro to want to change the past.
    So, Hiro travels back and tells Peter to save the cheerleader. This is where the time line diverges. Now, Peter saves Claire but he now becomes the one that will go nuclear (wasn't it in Texas that Peter ended up absorbing the nuclear powers for the other guy? Had he not gone to save Claire, he wouldn't have had that ability). This is where it gets tricky. Hiro/Ando jump forward, this the timeline affected by Peter saving Claire. Peter is the one that goes nuclear. But why? Maybe in a fight with Sylar, he lost control and went nuclear. Future Hiro, who lives outside the changes of the timeline, doesn't know that Claire was saved or that it is Peter who know is the threat, he still believes Sylar is. Sylar is alive because Hiro jumped forward and didn't kill him. But maybe by going back and killing him, he prevents a fight that between Sylar and Peter that drives Peter to go nuclear.

    Oh man...too much to think about it.
    Great episode.
  • EnderTheThird, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14So with Peter hooking up with Nikki/Jessica, do you think he ever uses her ability to be completely annoying and useless in the series?
  • radda, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18benjio...what a retarded name. What a retarded troll.
  • trimsyndicate, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Future Hiro can't or won't go back and directly intervene in events because that would create a paradox (like if future Hiro went back and killed Sylar then Hiro wouldn't turn out to be the person he is and how/why would he go back if he's not the same, if sylar's not a threat because he's dead, etc.) so he's stuck trying to influence people to make different decisions and alter the timeline that way.
  • Miso117, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13[Bizzaro Stormy]: "I'm Bizzaro Stormy."
    [Regular Stormy]: "I'm Regular Stormy."
  • mythicflux, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13"rather then Hiro go back to tell Peter to save the cheerleader, couldn't he have saved a lot of trouble (and lives) by just going back to when sylar was just a time-peice repairman and killed him then? or killed Peter on that subway - since he was the one that would eventually go nuclear."

    I believe they actually addressed that when Hiro tried to save Charlie. Basically when he tried to create too much of a radical change in the timeline he instantly jumped back to his present time. Hiro's ability to alter the timeline only works on a small scale such as keeping Claire alive but altering the event from being caused by Sylar to being caused by Peter. The same even occurs regardless but the details change slightly. This is so a true space-time continuum destroying event never occurs.

    I believe their was something online that theorized that you can't actually change the past since it has occurred and any attempt to change it will result in a paradox which causes the changes you made to simply be undone and not occur. Think of it as a sort of universal undo command. You've can't in inadvertently destroy the universe because what occurred was supposed to occur the whole time.

    Now, the difference is that present Hiro isn't bound by the same rules. The future he saw was only a possible future from his point of view then he is the only who can stop Sylar. For present Hiro the future has not occurred and as such it's not written in stone what will happen only what may happen. And that is what I think Isaac saw. He saw present Hiro arriving in NY 5 years after the event and getting a copy of the last 9th Wonders comic. He saw that his death was ultimately part of a chain of events that would lead to present Hiro getting the right information at the right time.
  • bluejays47, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Yes, I agree that this television show likes to have sex with other television shows of the same gender.
  • Squigly, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Every Hiro has to have a side-kick! (ha ha lame pun)
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@nickbender

    How can peter have the Hatian's powers? Doesn't Peter have to see or at least be around the person when they are using their powers in order for him to absorb them (which is his power)? Wouldn't the Hatian cancel out Peter's ability?
  • aaronwolfe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I think Hiro believed (and believes) that Sylar went nuclear and not Peter.

    Your point though is the biggest problem with having a time traveling super hero. They're trying to limit him by showing how he can't quite control his power, but it's kind of a cop-out. As long as Hiro can stay alive, he is the most powerful hero.
  • Dustin00, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12It was like watching the evil Startrek mirror universe.

    I just didn't understand why Jessica didn't have a beard too.
  • chopsticks765, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@trer

    they beamed out the moment the shields collapsed from the pressure of the doors, duh
  • smkoehler, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12rather then Hiro go back to tell Peter to save the cheerleader, couldn't he have saved a lot of trouble (and lives) by just going back to when sylar was just a time-peice repairman and killed him then? or killed Peter on that subway - since he was the one that would eventually go nuclear.
  • strangeless, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Think of it this way: If I travel 5 minutes into the future, and then 2 seconds later travel 4:50 into the past, then I am gone for 10 seconds. Then, 4:50 later there are two of me for 2 seconds. Thats whats happening here.
  • silencerider151, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I loved how they finally explained what turned Hiro into the dark person his is in the future.

    Who thought Ando could be so important?
  • Daiken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Yeah, being able to control time and space should make you unstoppable. Why doesn't Hiro go back in time and kill baby Sylar? Why didn't Peter freeze time and kill Sylar? Why didn't he do this or that. The truth is, if he did, then the show would be over. Yes it's a flaw in the story, but I guess I can live with it.
  • laplie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@omgwtfroflmaox2

    It's not the Haitian's only power. He can also erase memories.
  • Hockey37, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Someone set Sylar up the bomb.
  • Norse77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Best line of the episode: Hiro referring to himself, "I look upset."
  • trer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11They can't find Sylar, they are too busy hiding from Sylar's homeland security, and The Haitian works for Sylar (who can nullify Peter's and Hiro's power).

    But then again why didn't Peter just freeze time after Mohinder killed The Haitian. When you start messing with complicated concepts like time travel and super powers, you're bound to have some errors. Even the great Star Trek TNG had some flubs here or there (i.e. how did Scotty and Geordi beam out of a ship that still had its sheilds up?)
  • siliconentity, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16I agree the Claire business doesn't make sense. In this timeline Future Hiro failed to kill Sylar because he supposedly had Claire's healing powers, because he had killed her. But Claire's alive? How does that work?
  • Squigly, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Eventually the past Hiro (who's in the futere) would go back. So everyone would just think he disappears for a day. Not 5 years.
  • etandrib, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I would guess that this episode is the present timeline - meaning that Future Hiro went back in time and told Peter to save the Cheerleader. Peter did save Claire as we've seen so far. Present Hiro and Ando go into the future and we see what the future is like with Claire saved. At this point (from our point of view) Hiro hasn't actually gone back to the present to stab Sylar so the future we saw in this episode hasn't changed yet.

    It makes sense to me… :-)
  • Jrr6415sun, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12"And I get dugg down because you do not agree with my opinion, oh yeah this is digg."

    you got dugg down because you are WRONG. It's not an opinion to agree or disagree with, you stated it as a fact, which it definitely is not.
  • StarManta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Sylar clearly killed DL, because he has his power. Everyone thought that DL died in NY, so apparently it happened around that time.

    In the last episode, Linderman was taking Micah away to do something, presumably he died during that trip.
  • bbhh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6peter has hiro's power too. yeah that's crazy. it's good that future hiro is dead, because future sylar could (in the future) steal future hiro's power and go back in time with healing power and just take everyone else to town.. but so could peter. i think it is good that hiro's power seems hard to control, that might help the writers justify what we're talking about never happening.

    also, i was under the impression that sylar never blew up, it was always just peter and sylar got blamed. ... i hate time travel, so confusing.
  • borchard76, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7It was a great episode. There _are_ problems with the time-travel bit, but I disagree with the digger who said Hiro was the most powerful character--this is not even remotely true. Peter is, far and away, the most powerful character in the story. With Claire's power, he is essentially unstoppable--and now he has it in BOTH timelines, although he may or may not know it in the future timeline, since he might only have it because of Sylar (but he may have also met Claire--that was unclear).

    The truth is, Sylar is the ultimate bad guy in this show, and it's really up to Peter OR Hiro to stop him. Since Peter has met Hiro, he can use his power, so there's really not much that he can't do. In a fight between Sylar and Peter, Sylar loses as long as Peter has figured out what his powers are. Honestly, Sylar's powers are secondary to Peter's.

    The time-travel paradox is generally resolved in one of two ways. Either a time-traveler can say and do nothing because the outcomes of the future are so unstable that even the smallest change will make a large difference OR they can do pretty much anything because nothing they do will change the actual events--just the actors in those events. So far Heroes seems to want to mix it up a bit: time isn't particularly fragile, but neither is it immutable. Super powered individuals have the ability to change the future, but only because they are that powerful.

    The Sylar twist? Awesome. Nathan Petrelli's a jerk anyway, so I don't mind him dying. The biggest flaw of the show last night was actually the fact that Sylar wants all the mutants dead. I would think that he would rather have them captive so he can suck out their brains one at a time. Of course, if he could only get Peter's power, then it wouldn't matter anymore--he could just have them paraded past him long enough to absorb their ability, and then he could have them killed. But given his past, I would think he would prefer to have their powers instead of killing them all.

    It also looks like Peter didn't gain the Haitian's powers, or Sylar is powerful enough to ignore them. What I want to know is how much the Haitian CAN do.
  • Dospac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The alteration that was made in this episode was Hiro telling the younger version of himself that he needed to kill Sylar. So now Ando and Hiro have gone back and Hiro must kill Sylar to prevent what the future heroes thought was the cause of the explosion.

    This causes no paradoxes, and the plot now sits exactly where it should, with the outcome unknown to the future heroes as well as the characters in the present ie a whole new set of events. We don't know now what will happen after Hiro kills Sylar. We can only be reasonably sure that Sylar dies, concluding the major plot line of the first season in the final episode, and the plot points surrounding this event in the final 3 episodes were not a part of this future we saw in episode 20.

    I just wish Mohinder had killed Sylar in e19. That was the most glaring problem so far in season 1, poor writing ftl.. .He's unconscious right there on the ground.. STOMP HIS FACE DO IT. lol..
  • Hockey37, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Watch them all, then get back to us with your opinion. Or just STFU. Either works.
  • ArmyOfFun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Imagine you build a time machine in your basement. You decide to teleport into the future but before you do, you set up a video camera and point it at the time machine and hit "record". Then you go 20 years into the future and find future you just hanging out in the basement. You chat a bit, the future you says "I remember hanging out with future me" while to you this is all a new experience. Then you teleport back in time to the point just after you stepped into the time machine.

    What will the tape on the video camera show when you play it back? All it'll show is you stepping into and then right out of the time machine - you were never gone.
  • sweetescapamos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6The best episode by far. The Sylar twist was the best. Knew something was up when Peter's brother all of a sudden wanted to kill all the other heroes.

    Can't wait to find out why DL died and what Jessica did to her son. Parkman was pure evil. And I cannot believe they killed Bennett.

    Loved the future Hiro. And finally loved Peter.
  • franklinbluth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4My favorite Heroes episode yet. And also one of the best episodes of any television program this season.
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I would say that either Hiro or the Hatian are the most powerful heroes. Hiro for obvious reasons, but the Hatian as well because he can negate every hero's power. Even if he fought Sylar or Peter, they wouldn't be able to use their powers against him. Peter wouldn't even be able to absorb his powers because they would be negated in the Hatian's presence. Ironically, this is his only power and makes him incredibly vulnerable as well.
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