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- PhaseDMA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Will you idiots just shut up already?
I'm tired of all the freaking teenagers, and their bashing of MS (and if your not a teenager act your damn age). Go find something else to bash. I assure you Linux is not all you people try to pretend it is (not to say it's better or worse, but it sure as hell isn't that great either).
PS This is some guys opinion on a Mozilla based site. Ya... That sure holds water :rollseyes: - brianode, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2While there very well may not be anything good about IE's new tabbed browsing, a little bit more in depth as to why it sucked or any good points it may have had instead of just a rant may be a little bit more helpful.
- rousehouse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In my opinion, most home and business users do not care about tabbed browsing. So, the impact of this feature sucking by comparison is next to nothing. Nonetheless, I'm astounded by the comments above like "Microsoft is so far behind" and "bye IE". Guys, IE is being used by 86% of the world, and Firefox is being used by 8.5%. FireFox is a very good browser, and a big accomplishment for the open source movement. But come on… Microsoft is still the winner of the browser war by far.
Yeah, MS is a little behind in bleeding edge features of FireFox (although SP2 adds a great pop-up blocker). But, when 86% of the world uses your browser, you have a huge commitment and responsibility to your user community, in particular the business community who pays your bills. Microsoft also has to provide commercial technical support to all of its millions of customers, and support browser integration into its dominant products like Exchange, Office, and SharePoint.
I'm amazed by the anti-Microsoft bias that I see on Digg in general, which seems to me to be at the point of hysteria and willful ignorance of Microsoft’s contributions, responsibilities, and *overall* track record as the leading desktop O/S and browser provider. I’m not deliberately trying to be a troll or post flame-bait but, IMHO, this debating is too one-sided to be meaningful. - techgeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1WinXP has not crashed on my computer in over a year. I have no come across any bugs or malicious code. It's all about how you take care of the computer and system. If you download crap, you are bound to install crap software that does bad things to your system. Also, the amount of memory you have is also important. If windows is constantly page swapping, any accidental harddrive mishap is going to crash the computer.
In my own experience, administering a computer lab, and just at home, I have had to reboot Mac machines way more often then the PCs. Macs just completely freeze, and you have to reset them. At worst, a program crashed in WinXp, and you just get an error dialog box. - catullus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't see what's taken Microsoft so long on this whole tabbed browsing bit. Before this toolbar, they had been working on a release for a year or more and were about to release it when they stopped because they needed "more time for testing."
The more interesting question, it seems, is: Why doens't Microsoft just buy up a little company like Flashpeak (Slimbrowser) or the Avant Browser company, which would allow them to easily implement tabbed browsing and many other improvements, as those companies have been doing for so long without any delays/obscenely long testing periods? - cssdev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't think any operating system to blame, it's the idiot at the controls clicking every pop-up that comes on screen and downloading .exe files from attachments in their e-mail account hoping it will increase the size of their tools.
- el_jefe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1by: catullus (3) on 02:57 PM 6/11/05
The more interesting question, it seems, is: Why doens't Microsoft just buy up a little company like Flashpeak (Slimbrowser) or the Avant Browser company, which would allow them to easily implement tabbed browsing and many other improvements, as those companies have been doing for so long without any delays/obscenely long testing periods?
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I would ask, why doesn't MS be innovative and live up to their mantra instead of buying into innovation or trying to pass faux innovation along t the masses. If MS would take the time to make a quality product, they might acutally come up with something good... - el_jefe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Things run better on XP? Thats a new one. I mean, I am all for saying some people need Windows, but saying XP is better or more optimized than previous versions is a little naive. I still see the same buggy, bloated OS as before, just prettier icons. But then again, YMMV...
- gab00n, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is MSN pre-alpha tabbed browsing, it has nothing to do with IE7 tabbed browsing so who really gives a *****.
- Pooavenger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think everyone is jumping on the let's hate MS bandwagon. It's kinda old and sad. oh wells
- IraqManiac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1cssdev - "I don't think any operating system to blame, it's the idiot at the controls clicking every pop-up that comes on screen and downloading .exe files from attachments in their e-mail account hoping it will increase the size of their tools."
definitely agreed. I have xp and I have actually had this installation of xp for 1.5 years and [*suprise*] don't have any antivirus software or adaware software on it at all... I install a couple programs every few months, do a scan, and quickly uninstall them, and I haven't had more than like 4 problems ever... don't do dumb things like use IE on mscracks.com, download attatchments, or click on the raging popups everywhere that say "shoot me for a free ipod!"... if you don't want any spyware just simply use firefox, don't download attatchments, and don't click on popups... if you use IE and popups open asking you to install an ActiveX control, don't go to that site unless you know it is legit... people, just be smart with your browsing habits and use adaware/antivirus software (and for you p2p'ers, use bittorrent, not kazaa)
and now back to the subject...
I don't know what's taking microsoft so Fu(king long to develop longhorn and why the hell can't microsoft come up with anything except security updates for IE in like 5 years?!?! and now since they are stripping everything out of Longhorn, I don't know how much different it will be than xp or even 2000, it makes me feel like it will be a Windows ME to Windows 98
but if everyone used linux or macs then there would be a lot more exploits and problems involved - daygo140, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://blogs.msdn.com/tonyschr/archive/2005/06/09/427536.aspx
This is a weblog of a developer of IE7. This MSN "tabbed browsing" add-on has nothing to do with and is completely seperate from the IE7 project. - NoGoodTrick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0its kind of funny listening to all the people diss windows xp or windows in general. i always hear people at school talking about how much they hate windows. the funny thing is, they use windows at school, and at their house. I'm not the biggest fan of some of the windows bugs or stuff that windows hasnt invented themselves. but you cant expect them to make every software ever possible before the other 2 million programmers or more. maybe they put the tabbed browsing on the backburner.
- superrad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't care what people say. At some point everyone uses windows. Windows is great. I've been using it since it's 3.1 days. It's just that it's so popular that everyone attacks it. like firefox for instance. It came out people loved it cause there was no virus' or no known flaw's. Now that it's becoming popular exploits are starting to be found and so on. The reason Mac's and Linux are safer is because they aren't as popular. If they were they'd be the number one target for spyware producers, hackers, and so forth. So i say stick with your own opinions and don't follow Kevin rose, Leo, or any other comp techs and engineer's. Do what you want...
- luke--, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's crap because you don't have to pay for it. This IE add-on is a way for MS to keep the clamouring at bay when they hold IE7 back for their older operating systems.
"Oh, your old operating system is crashing when you're using tabs? Upgrade to XP; it's got rock solid tab support in IE7 plus all these other features!" - Ruckgesicht, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Talk about cheap rip-offs. Microsoft has come to be an intechangable word with the term. Sad? Not really, they had it coming to them. Goodbye, Microsoft.
- techjunkie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I can't wait to try Longhorn don't get me wrong, its just like any new operating system that comes out.. but with all the things that keeps happening and things that are going to attribute it I am definitely thinking differently.
- catullus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0by: el_jefe (0) on 05:36 PM 6/11/05 | Score: --+3 Excellent+2 Insightful+1 UsefulRate Comment-1 Off Topic-2 Flame-3 SPAM [X]
by: catullus (3) on 02:57 PM 6/11/05
The more interesting question, it seems, is: Why doens't Microsoft just buy up a little company like Flashpeak (Slimbrowser) or the Avant Browser company, which would allow them to easily implement tabbed browsing and many other improvements, as those companies have been doing for so long without any delays/obscenely long testing periods?
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I would ask, why doesn't MS be innovative and live up to their mantra instead of buying into innovation or trying to pass faux innovation along t the masses. If MS would take the time to make a quality product, they might acutally come up with something good...
el_jefe: i would wholeheartedly agree with you that it's better for microsoft to innovate than to sit on their lazy asses and buy up other companies. But the intent of my question was that if these other little companies seem to have no problem whipping up features in little time, isn't buying up other companies *the least* microsoft could do? (that is, if they refuse to innovate) - macacid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"The reason Mac's and Linux are safer is because they aren't as popular." HAHAHAHA
ive been using windows since 95, and all version of windows have sucked! thats from experience not from what other people say. and just because i have to use it sometimes doesnt mean i cant say how bad of an OS it is. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"At some point everyone uses windows." - superrad
True, I used windows to download linux iso files. - el_jefe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0catullus -
Absolutely. I would have no problem if they bought up some company to help their product.
I don't understand the only one OS is any good. Windows's biggest problem is the fact that by default you run as an administrator. If you didnt use the admin account people would have less of a time with spyware and crap as well as other issues.
Now, Windows is great for some people. For most people, all they want is a point in click environment that they can check their email and surf the web. Maybe work with some pics, and type their resume. They don't mind that they can not change everything about their OS.
Others want complete control. They want to be able to decide what features are in their OS and want to control every little detail. They may want to re-code parts of the OS.
The world needs windows, becasue the majority of the people have neither the will or desire to use a *nix based OS. And thats fine. Windows is an acceptable OS for most people. I truely believe if MS cared more about product than Deadlines, Windows might be a quality product. Longhorn and IE7 might be a move in the right direction, only time will tell. However, the faux tab browsing they have displayed so far is a long way off. I didnt got to firefox becasuse of tabbed browsing, there are for more features that I made the switch for. If I just wanted tab bowsing I would have got the slimbrowser addon for IE...
- Dracos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I wouldn't call Asa's post a rant, or without substance. He clearly identified numerous issues, some of them serious (data loss).
IE will never be the best browser, because it is not in MS' interests to support open standards. Right now, IE doesn't 100% support anything, not even HTML 3.2 (from Jan 1997). - termal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0XP's certainly better and more stable than ME or 9X. Try running either of the latter for weeks or even days at a time...
Of course there is bloat...it takes a lot of tweaking to get XP running decently fast on slower hardware. - tjkrz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Agreed PhaseDMA. When a new piece of software comes out, I'm completely objective. I run Firefox, because it's well designed, but it's not perfect -- it crashes at least once a day. When IE7 comes out, I'll evaluate it and make my own decision, and it won't be based on some Open Source fan-boy's moronic opinion. In geekdom, it seems cool to bash MS no matter what they do. They're where they are cause they did a lot of things right.
- tjkrz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Dracos, wasn't it the best browser before? Are you also saying that Linux is a better operating system because it's open? I don't think so. It might be better for you and me, but not for millions and millions of other people in the world.
- Darkillusion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Amen.
- Naxon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't think any operating system to blame, it's the idiot at the controls clicking every pop-up that comes on screen and downloading .exe files from attachments in their e-mail account hoping it will increase the size of their tools.
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Sounds like my mom, xD - TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I don't think people understand that when things run better on XP, it's not a marketing reason; It's a compilement reason. Coding languages become more optimised, and older systems just can't take it. So STFU with your ***** "OMG IT"S M$ TRYING 2 MAKE SOMTHING GOOD!! LOLOLOL!" ***** before you get ran over by my car.
- Branden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Well let me ask you to look into Apache and IIS and then draw your conclusion."
That's like comparing apples and oranges compaired to an OS. If everyone started hacking OS X, it would crack just like Windows does. - tryferos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I use IE and never have any problems, but have recently tried Firefox. I do like it and am open to using it, but will likely not use it exclusively anytime in the near future. It's basically like was like techgeek mentioned, my IE just doesnt crash, so there is no dire need to use it at this point.
- Ssullivan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0in my above post I was refering to this statement:
"WRONG!!
You really believe this idea? Well let me ask you to look into Apache and IIS and then draw your conclusion. FYI Apache has over half the market and has less flaws than IIS." - eclectro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0PhaseDMA --> "I assure you Linux is not all you people try to pretend it is (not to say it's better or worse, but it sure as hell isn't that great either)."
I think that the fact that I don't have countless trojans and spyware makes it pretty great.
There are so many people around with XP spyware problems I hace to hide the fact that I work in electronics or I get hit up for a spyware removal job. - nextsteposx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0agree 100%
- anastrophe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0until someone comes up with a browser that can handle having 94 tabs open simultaneously, AND supports roboform, then i'll be sticking with Maxthon. I tried firefox - what a lame piece of crap. at 25 open tabs, it started huffing and puffing, and at 35 tabs it was useless. Opera's nice - but they have some bizarre fear of third party apps like roboform.
IE7? WTF cares? - Ssullivan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0PhaseDMA,
Your an idiot. I simply refuse to argue with you any longer, your just not worth it. Go outside get a life, just STFU. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Of course Asa will say the new IE toolbar sucks, he works for Mozilla.
- hardcoredj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Until M$ complies with web standards, I'll still with any and all M$ opposition. Can't play fair? Then don't play.
- motionblur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That flamebaited post from Asa just dropped my respect level for him down a notch. I expect more from the Mozilla guys than this.
- Mike.ohara, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ya know, this peeves me, I admit, M$ has had some questionable business practices, and the way they "innovate" sometimes is not always the best way to go about things but ya know what they make an alright product.
In about 95.8% of cases its not the Operating system that causes the instability. most of the time its one of a few things:
Bad 3rd party driver (either installed or miss configured)
Bad Hardware
Bad 3rd party software
User Error
Viruses or malware targeted at the OS installed by some ignorant action of the User
Very few times is it the Operating system that causes the problem (Well except ME). And Yes, the reason Microsoft's Windows is the target of attack for viruses and Mal-ware and badly coded software is because it is the Most popular OS on the market. If Mac OS was more popular or Linux (God forbid anyone tarnish the name of Linux ..pfft) there would be the same problem of people targeting it.
Some would call this a pro MS Flame Bait post and yea.. it probably is but, ya know what.. I don't care, I would wonder how many of the "children" here made their pro Linux flames on a Windows box? - Ssullivan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Branden-
"That's like comparing apples and oranges compaired to an OS. If everyone started hacking OS X, it would crack just like Windows does."
Thats where your wrong. This is a perfect example that demonstrates that software with the majority of the market does not necessarily mean more flaws. - PhaseDMA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wow that's great! Apache doesn't have many issues, but is used by most of the world...
/me waits for a second example
/me stops waiting as it won't come - PhaseDMA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0PhaseDMA --> "I assure you Linux is not all you people try to pretend it is (not to say it's better or worse, but it sure as hell isn't that great either)."
I think that the fact that I don't have countless trojans and spyware makes it pretty great.
That's great. I don't have spyware either. I'm not bashing on Linux. I run Fedora Core, and even for a n00b (ie me) it's a great system out of the box. But that's about where it stops. I love my computer games, and for some odd reason I highly doubt I will ever see a GTA game for Linux. - Ssullivan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"/me waits for a second example
/me stops waiting as it won't come"
YOU need to learn proper English ;)
Apache disproves your argument I don't need to list a second ;) - Armitage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0geez, people b*tchin about people b*tchin.... let the people have their opinions.
IE is WAY behind all the other browsers. Seriously, whens the last time they've had an update? Where's all the features and support? Not even a decent popup blocker. - PhaseDMA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Proper English? You are joking.... right?
And one example does not make a trend by any means what so ever. - NyQuil, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Microsoft has been worthless for sometime. Face it, Longhorn is going to be a joke.
- Ssullivan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0superrad-
"The reason Mac's and Linux are safer is because they aren't as popular."
WRONG!!
You really believe this idea? Well let me ask you to look into Apache and IIS and then draw your conclusion. FYI Apache has over half the market and has less flaws than IIS. - siouxmoux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Micro$haft IE is so late to the browsers war party. IE does not have a chance to catch up to its other rivals.
- Dragular, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0TheNik... OMG IT"S M$ TRYING 2 MAKE SOMTHING GOOD!! LOLOLOL!
*sitting on sidewalk awaiting arrival of promised car* - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0*sits beside Dragular*
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