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- babbling, on 10/12/2007, -18/+80Don't buy from the iTunes Music Store, next time.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+62That doesnt make sense, dumbass.
and I'm sick of you kids OBSESSING over diggnation.Yeah, its a good show, but its not a religion. - jawngee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+48im an idiot.
anyways, it appears that it's realtime capture of the decrypted stream, so to get it to work you need to play the files and it'll dump them to individual AAC files in the background - but with no metadata or other info.
great start though. - myheaditches, on 10/12/2007, -12/+58Well SOME ONE hasn't been to the Church of Diggnation.
- MisterCookie, on 10/12/2007, -4/+47Or the RIAA will hopefully see this and kill themselves out of despair. (I can dream can't I?)
- Terc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+45Yeah, this isn't a crack. The DRM cannot be removed from the songs, but a playable aac file is retreived from memory which has already had the DRM stripped by iTunes. This is a big step in the right direction towards Hymn6, but right now you'll still need to play each song, convert the aac file and retag it manually. I'd called this a great hack.
- collywolly, on 10/12/2007, -3/+40Not everyone lives in the US.
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -6/+40"what is the point of ripping an originally 128kbps track at 256kbps? none."
128kbps AAC > 128 kbps MP3 - nmckinlay, on 10/12/2007, -9/+39@ acomj
what is the point of ripping an originally 128kbps track at 256kbps? none. - aristotle1990, on 10/12/2007, -8/+34Wow. What a great program. It only runs on Windows, converts your audio files to oddly named unplayable AAC files without metadata, runs in the command line, and requires Python.
Lovely. - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -6/+31@myheaditches: The point of re-ripping at a higher quality would be to avoid some of the loss from recompression.
- lewsmind, on 10/12/2007, -5/+29Here's a link to the original forum topic on the Hymn website:
http://hymn-project.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1553
Here's a direct link to download the file:
http://rapidshare.de/files/31103061/QTFairUse6-1.0.zip.html
Oh, and its Windows only. - MisterCookie, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29Thank god, I have several hundred dollars worth of iTunes purchases that I can't play in Linux because Apple hasn't released a version for that platform.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22This Decrypts the Song in Real-Time from Memory. Not just the Analog Hole.
How about you RFTA before passing judgement? - NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23Another DRM crack... Eeeeexcellent.
...Sort of. This either means that the **AA's will panic and start tossing lawsuits (very likely), or maybe their brains will unclog and they'll figure out that eventually, everything is crackable, and those people who really do want DRM-free music will find one way or another to get it. - nmckinlay, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23While I saw cracking WMA DRM as a bad thing (bye-bye subscription services), I do see cracking iTunes as a good thing. Paying to buy a song you can't migrate to any other device is ***** up. Kudos to the hymm team.
- nmckinlay, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20QTFairPlay6 does NOT re-encode the stream.
It grabs the AAC from memory after it has been decrypted but before it has been decrypted. - humblepatience, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21isn't it debateable whether it's illegal?
geez, i bought the damn music, i should beable to play it where i want - bbatsell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18@yawn
Quote from the author:
"And yes, this script works on Windows only. To make it work on Mac one would need 1) port pydbg or find a similar package 2) reverse iTunes to find the routines which handle AAC data after decryption."
http://hymn-project.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=9577#9577 - wicketr, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20That sounds alot like my SoundBlaster's "Record What You Hear" function. Some music websites will have full quality songs on their website via a Flash player. I've used my "Record What You Hear" function to make those into MP3s. The sound quality is really good and I believe maintains the left and right channels as well.
I have sometimes used that with my iTunes songs as well when I want a nonDRM version. - pOwErBoOkEr, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20- Windows only
- Real-time ripping (translation: S L O W)
- Strips all the ID3 tags
Um, a nice start, but... - bkemper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13"No, under the DMCA it states that you are allowed to strip the DRM"
It also ays that you cannot distribute code or software to crack the DRM. - whiskeymb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14@humblepatience
yes, you bought the song, but according to the RIAA, you don't have the right to play it whereever you want. nice, eh? - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I think he means before it's been decompressed.
- iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14quote
but with no metadata or other info.
/quote
I think this is a good thing, sort-a - Apple injects your private info into the metadata, so now it's stripped - and this is a hindrance for the labeling, etc, but good to ensure your private data is no longer encoded. - gr8one, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10The issue is loss of quality. Re-encoding means some loss in information. A try DRM bypass mechanism will simply strip out the DRM not affecting the quality of the stream at all.
- loneBoat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Just a thought on the whole no-id3 problem. Here's a quote from the original jHymn thread:
_____Usage:
_____1) Start iTunes
_____2) Start QTFairUse6.py.
_____4) Play your protected track(s) in iTunes. Each track will
______be written into a separate dump_NN.aac file.
_____5) To make them playable in winamp, convert the raw
______streams to ADTS using FAAD:
_____faad.exe -a output.aac dump_NN.aac
So all you have to do is play the songs in iTunes, right? Well, couldn't you play them by using a playlist, and then export that playlist as a txt or xml file from iTunes? I used to use mp3Tagger to bulk-tag mp3's, and it seems I remembered being able to import txt and xml files for tag info. If that's the case, you could automate the re-tagging part of it, which from what I read seems to be the biggest hurdle right now. I'm at work right now, but I'm going to try it out when I get home. I'll re-post here if it works fine... Any thoughts? - nmckinlay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Easily amused, eh? Some people can afford a couple dollars for some tracks that are hard to find elsewhere.
- ZachPruckowski, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10and in two weeks someone will get a better version that has a GUI, is crossplatform, and renames properly. The hard part is getting around the DRM.
- Fluidity, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12The point nmckinlay is any further encoding will further reduce quality. Therefore encoding a itunes tune ripped at 128KB in FLAC will result in a file with 128KB quality. Encoding with any further compression will only seek to further reduce the quality, therefore the higher you select to encode it, the better quality and the closer to the original rip quality the re-encode will be.
Still mighty pointless none the less. Go buy CD's people! They're a lot more fun and you can rip them to whatever format you choose and keep them forever negating HD crashes and burned cd's getting scratched more easily. - iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9It's called fair use - and the people should stand up to the RIAA and others molding the law, taking away rights, just to ensure they make their profit goals. If I pay for a cd, or a digital track, I should be able to play it on any device that supports it, same as with DVD, if I bought a dva and could only play it on a certain brand dvd player, I'd download a copy for my other dvd players - so long as I'm not selling it and or making a profit off of it, no harm is actually committed. If the RIAA gets their way, and they probably will because all the people bitching about it won't do anything about it (e.g. voting), you'll have to pay royalties if you bring a dvd/cd over to a friends house.
- nickerbocker, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12I never really watched it but I hear they have communion every episode.
- whiskeymb, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12@nmckinlay
is that a typo!?
"it grabs the AAC from memory after it has been _decrypted_ but before it has been _decrypted_."
how can it grab it after AND before it's been decrypted?! - theone3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10"Not by much though, 128kbps AAC is about equal in quality to 160kbps MP3"
Yes but the loss of quality is inherently different because the codecs are different. So while the quality is equal to a 160kbps, converting a 128kbps AAC to a 160kbps MP3 will give you about a 96kbps MP3 in terms of *retaining* quality. - pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13@wicketr
That's just taking the wav and recompressing it. Same as burning then ripping a CD-R, but easier, I suppose. Still a quality loss, and it defeats the whole point of Apple's excellent AAC compression algorithms. - myheaditches, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8This gets the decrypted file from memory. It strips the DRM from the file without a loss of quality. Also, holding a microphone up to your speakers? Yah, sounds like no sound quality loss to me.
- stormgren, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This has been said so many times in this thread. Burning and re-ripping results in a loss of quality, which some people don't want. This method doesn't, because it takes the stream before it is decompressed. Read before you comment.
- nullmind, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6It's not an analog hole, the data (AAC) is being intercepted before being decoded, which is what makes this hack better than any other methods that force you to decode (by something playing the AAC) and encode by capturing the audio from some source.
I think what is "next on the list" is finding more information about these decoding routines and linking to them from a standalone program so the conversion process can be more independent from the iTunes program.
Sounds good! - streamx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6QTFairUse6-1.0.zip
MD5:592ff12dca92bdcef468cc619b795784
SHA1:d68f3f8e39d9406d1a72833199b4c07a015424e6
SHA256:49fb531a747aa8366333a58b20966e1e2811e578cc522a69ce13b64bde74d982 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The Virtual Drives look just like regular drives to Windows.
- ErrandboyOfDoom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"Go buy CD's people!"
Why should I pay for all the gas and plastic to get me goods that I'm not physically consuming?
A pox on all your tradtional distribution channels! - ZachPruckowski, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6weeFred - you must be a kid. When you have a job that takes up 40 hours a week, and a girlfriend/wife, you'll have a hard time touring or doing shows. A show is gonna take arriving two hours or so early, playing a 60-90 minute set, then at least an hour of load-out, selling merch, chatting with fans, etc. I work at a lot of concerts. Trust me when I say that each show is a 5-6 hour committment for the band, not counting travel. When you can only pull off 1-2 shows a month (between over-time and other committments, getting 4-5 people to have a free 6-hour block in the evening/night is kind of tough), and practices are harder and harder to schedule (much less writing new material or recording a new CD), the band is gonna implode.
It's unreasonable to expect people who work 40 hours a week to be able to also be decent musicians. People can only really be part time musicians in high school or college. In the real world, if they can't make money on something that's sucking up 10-15 hours a week, they're in trouble. - evilspoons, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@psych0fish
There would be no feedback if the input isn't being played over the output. (I am a fourth-year electrical engineering student, I know a bit about feedback loops from half a dozen courses.)
@Mindlessmatt
However, you have now reduced the quality in three ways: all the disadvantages of your audio output, the cable you used, and your microphone input (which is usually terrible). A much better solution is to just set your audio software to record the 'wave' or 'what you hear' recording inputs, or better yet, do the burn->rerip process that everyone else has been talking about. - heavyd14, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6If you lose the meta data, you can just run them through musicbrainz or something similar (if there is anything else similar)
- scottauth, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Why?
If I don't pay for the music I love then the bands will break up. I listen to independent music (mainly punk and hardcore) and if I do not buy one of their records these things happen:
1) The band realizes no one cares about their music
2) They don't tour
3) Without touring there is no money from merch (where most artists make their bank)
4) Since there is no income from touring, they most likely get real jobs
5) After awhile the "band" becomes an afterthought
6) ???
7) Band breaks up -- end of story
Grow up and pay for music, you're stealing someone's hard work. - DarkElfIT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5May i suggest SoundTaxi? i've been using it for months with the newer 6+ versions of ITunes. have not had any problems with sound quality and you dont have to play it to convert. As a plus it normally keeps the artist,song title,year and album metadata as well (always seems to lose the genre though...).
- nmckinlay, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Affirmative, no ID3 support... yet.
- guytoronto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The resulting file, while AAC, doesn't seem to play in iTunes. It plays fine in Quicktime Player, but iTunes on the Mac side rejects it.
- bmobile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Agreed. The only way this would work without quality loss would be if iTunes starts selling Lossless audio files.
- wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Part of the reason for the crack was terrible problems with the subscription services. See the engadget "open letter" for details. I had Urge for a while, then dumped it when about 20% of the tracks simply wouldn't download to a portable device. I was paying for that, and wasn't getting it.
Now, I'd consider going back, or at least until MS changes the encryption (about next Tuesday) and breaks the crack. -
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