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- ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+37Before this gets out of hand:
The iPod was not used as a "blunt object" in this case. It was used as a removable drive, and the student used it to carry private data from a school computer.
There was no Wii or Wii Remote involved.
Please bury all the idiots complaining about blunt objects being used as "criminal tools" and RTFA. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+33The kid was obviously just messing around on the computers. While he shouldn't be doing that, he also shouldn't be CAPABLE of doing it. If you store sensitive data on the computers, at least be sure that it is protected enough that a student can just plug his iPod in, fool around for a bit, and then grab the data.
Also, stupid reporters and teachers need to learn the difference between downloading an transferring. Downloading is copying data from a remote system to a local system. Transferring is copying data from a local device to another local device. - TiMMY8765, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28"1000 songs, 1000 bank accounts, it'll never know the difference"
sorry, couldn't resist - hellotyler, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Don't ***** with me or i'll hack you with my iPod!
- lovek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24I guess that makes you a criminal tool.
Well, I guess not a "criminal" until you've done something wrong. - DeathBorn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21That's right, because only a true criminal would download sensitive files onto his MP3 player. *roll* There is a line between dangerous and ridiculous, and this Ipod ban has crossed it. Are they going to ban CDs or thumb drives because they can store data? *gasp*
- Hardcase, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15It's all a matter of context. In the hands of a burglar, a screwdriver is a burglary tool. In the hands of my auto repair shop, it's an extortion tool.
In the context of this kid's alleged crime, the iPod is a criminal tool - he used it during the process of an alleged crime. It doesn't make YOUR iPod a criminal tool.
Perspective. Perspective and context. - dignation, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12It just goes way to far. at my school they ban backpacks because they COULD be used to transport guns or drugs into the school. Realistically, if anyone was desperate enough to carry a gun into school in a backpack, they quickly find another way to do it, like putting it in a book or something. Kinda reminds me of DRM...
- Crass22, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Really they should ban iPods, Flashdrives, gMail or any online file hosting service, Floppy/Zip disks, and any other form of removable media.
Also printers should be banned, especially thoes nice networkable ones, imagine instead of saving the incremenating info (im guessing its just a database of student personal information) he could have printed it out and use the print-outs at home to launch identity theft attacks. - iomatic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Last I heard, a pencil and a piece of paper could also be used to steal passwords...
Conversely, the pencil is a SHARP criminal tool!
Engadget == poor writing. - fuzzmeister, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13-digg for that line from the movie Firewall.
Heh. - sannm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5My school actually bans all flashdrives because they could carry viruses....as if the floppy disks we now have can't. The computer staff at me school are totally incompetent the top person didn't know you could shift > arrow key to highlight and copy many files, hell after we showed her she asked us if we were sure it worked properly or if the files might be corrupted.
- saladtossser, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Every storage device shall be banned, except ram, unless it retains any data after shutdown
- stryker2you, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You're better off just disabling USB all together instead of plug and play, even though they go hand in hand....but it won't do any good if you don't lock down the desktop as well, such as disabling access to the registry, cmd, system properties etc...
Also, set a bios password, disable boot from cd (so you can't use live cd's) and lock the case. It would get a little more obvious that something was wrong if you see the student trying to take the battery out or open the case.
No security is 100% hack proof, but some simple steps will go a long way.
Of course the user is the weakest link since they are prone to social engineering and/or they write their top secret password down on a sticky note and put it on the monitor. - Joshdk14, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I went this this school with ncoolmn67, the kid that got these files is a moron, and the teachers that are supposed to keep the files secure, not going to name names, eh hem, MR PREDMORE AND MR SCHEA, they are morons too. They'd go crazy if for some reason accidently 2 computers had the same IP, but they're too stupid to check to see what else people could use to get files.
P. S. MR. STEPHENS IS THE MAN. - ksponge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Actually man, I was charged with assault with a weapon, a shawed foot, when I kicked someone in the head in a fight years ago. So....
- NCoolmn67, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I went to this high school, its more funny than anything else.
- skymt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3First "hoax devices," now "criminal tools." Looks like prosecutors have figured out the power of names!
- BinaryMn, on 07/23/2009, -2/+5It's a portable media device that can also play audio.
By default, it isn't a criminal tool, it's how it's used. I own a 20GB iRiver h320 and could do the same thing, but because I can do the same thing, does that make it a criminal tool automatically?
Also, if schools don't want this problem, disable Plug and Play. Not hard. - RidesAPaleHorse, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I provide support for programs used in schools, and I can tell you why this was able to happen: Most schools do not have a dedicated system admin. Some will have a "technology coordinator", which is usually the teacher most familiar with computers, or the one whose husband works on computers, but they know next to nothing about networks and security. As schools become more and more computer-oriented and the students become more and more commuter-savvy, these schools need sysadmins who know how to lock down their systems.
- Gigabyte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Our school disabled plug and play but I found a workaround. Open Printers and Settings (or whatever it is called) off the start menu, view the tree of folders, select portable media devices and most memory sticks show up there.
- Loonacy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3And if a burglar(some kid) uses a screwdriver(ipod) as a "criminal tool" then you should ban anyone(other students) from having a screwdriver(ipod) because they might use it as a criminal tool. Right?
- TheLoneWolf071, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I've Done this. My High School Used Novel Which stores all the passwords of users logged into the system on the system, so all i had to do was extract the SAm and syskey and get the passwords. Well over the summer while upgrading them, they logged in with the novel superadmin, and it sayed. Them being the idiots they were, never changed the password. When I got a hold of it, I was able to open there network drive, containing all the information on current or past students. Needless to say, If I had stored the one file, It would have been a train wreck. Luckily, I'm a good boy and turned the info over and let them know there mistakes, buyt I honestly Believe it's not the fault of iPods or programs, but rather of the School's admins. They need to wise up.
- jimmiss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Standard evidence of the total technological ingnorance of what I like to call the "Obsolete Generation".
- nnscott, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I was surprised to see that this made it on digg. I live in the city where this happened and my oldest son goes to a grade school in the district. We received a letter from the superintended about a month ago regarding this issue. I guess this student claimed that this data just popped up on his machine in a computer class. I guess it just popped up on his IPOD as well.
School officials and authorities were notified when the student got into a fight with another female classmate (I guess she accused him of cheating) and he threatened to take out credit cards in her name and damage her credit.
Two other people (teachers I assume) are in some sort of trouble for knowing about what the kid did and not acting or informing higher level administration about it.
Since he is 17 I imagine that he'll get probation, expulsion, and his record will be cleaned after so many years. If that be the case I feel this cocky little brat is getting what he deserved. Joking / threatening ID theft in this day and age is just plain ole' retarded. - markgl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i think the point they're getting across is that they don't want kids plugged into music at school. You're there to learn not rock out.
- pyite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Sometimes the charge for a "criminal tool" is worse than the charge for the crime itself. Therefore, the police or prosecutors will go down that road if they want to make the punishment worse.
- SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well legally speaking the iPod was used to store sensetive data, so they are correct. The kid is guilty of breaking into the system and stealing sensitive data and so should face the music (no pun intended?!).
There is one other small thing though - the school is to blame for the whole incident because they used a crappy system with poor security, or are they? Did they maybe innocently purchase it from AcmeCorp Secure Personnel Filing Inc. who *obviously* stated it was totally secure and impenetrable by anything, even a .50 calibre round straight through the front door (ok maybe I am exaggerating a little but you get the idea...). Companies that screw around like this piss me off, and they make a fortune out of taking establishments like Schools and Colleges for a ride. - GrantTheGr8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Too bad you were apparently never educated on the proper use of punctuation.!!!
- GrantTheGr8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There was no iPod ban. The school wasn't even calling it a criminal object. The way the article is written is confusing and as it turns out, it's really not news at all. Some kid hacked into the system, transferred "sensitive" data to his iPod (probably just a teacher's home address, from the sound of it) and then erroneously and idiotically threatened to open a credit card account in someone else's name. The school caught him before he did anything with the data (because he was an idiot) and apparently didn't even have him arrested. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
- Merrick178, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Any storage device can do the same ***** thing... CD, Floppy, A ***** load of paper and some patience...
Honestly that sounds like ***** security. A few years back I was sort of "browsing" around on my schools network. It wasn't what I'd call "hacking" but I wasn't suppose to be able to access those files. The IT manager of my school district had me pulled from class and I thought this was the end of the line. Turned out she actually wanted me to help... Long story short, Nobody's "hacking" into my schools computer network anymore.
P.S. If you noticed I put "hacker" in quotes it's because a hacker is actually the good guy. A cracker is the ***** trying to get your credit card info. Get it right PLEASE. - protogenxl, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Superintendent: Is a charge strictly necessary, m'lud?
Judge: (heavy aside) The press is here.
Superintendent: Oh sorry! Right, here we go. You are hereby charged. One, that you did, on or about 1126, conspire to publicize a London Borough in the course of a BBC saga; two, that you were wilfully and persistently a foreigner; three, that you conspired to do things not normally considered illegal; four, that you were caught in possession of an offensive weapon, viz, the big brown table down at the police station.
Judge: The big brown table down at the police station?
Superintendent: It's the best we could find, m'lud ... and five... all together now...
Court: Assaulting a police officer! - pheen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Since when do people care what some random high school deems anything?
- haggie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2It is "criminal" that Apple's marketing has sold millions of iPods to "tools"
- geekinminiature, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1...or a criminal object... there are no limits aaaah!!
- tuxuser, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2ipos was nopt used in said story
- randf, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2iPods don't kill people...people kill people
- Topher06, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6Just put a password on the computer next time. Geeze, these are the people supposedly educationing our children.!!!
- danesparza, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2The kid
a.) Broke in to a computer system that he shouldn't have
b.) Transferred information that wasn't his to a device that WAS his
c.) Threatened to use the information in a criminal way. Yes, credit fraud is illegal (and criminal).
The headline / summary is misleading. - geekinminiature, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1o.O you are a blunt object...
- selrahc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Actually newspaper that has been rolled really tightly can be used as sort of a club/stick. I was watching something about prisons and they were demonstrating some of the homemade weapons that they had confiscated. The guard was smacking as hard as he could against the side of a laundry bin or something trying to get it to bend or break, rather impressive really.
- Yashar, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3http://www.liquidgeneration.com/rumormill/ipod_killing.html
- kylej608, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1wow what has this world come to, they are ***** idoits, anything can be used to store data come on. but it sounds like something that would happen at my school
- stryker2you, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5+digg for that line from the movie Firewall. (just in case people didn't understand where you got that from)
- geekinminiature, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Oh, come on. Next we'll be burning books and getting all Fahrenheit 451 ish. Will people go buy a brain. Hey, a brain could be a blunt object!!
- yeshuu, on 10/12/2007, -16/+11this is starting to get stupid, a cell phone is a blunt object, heck if u fold it the right way, a news paper is a blunt object, and even my hand is a blunt object
- AXNJAXN, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6Whoever classified the iPod was a tool and a blunt object.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3What ***** morons.
- KennyElendi, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1This is just like the debate over whether or not gun manufacturers are criminally liable for deaths caused by their products. Only, in this case, we are talking about using it to story files, which one can do on any flash drive. If not an iPod, then a USB stick. If not a USB stick a floppy drive. The use of an iPod is irrelevant to the crime.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4BAN FLOPPY DISKS
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