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- burnt1ce85, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11How can you say that it was not their fault? Have you read the article? They have pirated 200,000 music CDs for Northern California. They were copying copyrighted material to make a profit. It wasnt some kid who accidentally came across to a p2p software and started downloading not realizing what he is doing is wrong.
- logic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Latin artists make money?
- Kolar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12{Sarcasm}Ouch, 0.6 percent drop in CD sales... the RIAA better suck these guys dry. {/Sarcasm}
- strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9First off, please spell "rediculous" right. There isn't an "e" anywhere in that word.
Second, RTFA. These guys were real pirates. Creating hundreds of thousands of legit looking CDs. They weren't just running some 0-Day distro site or uploading the latest episode of South Park to a newsgroup. - lordsnooty, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Now THAT's piracy. These guys made money from what they did. So go for them & leave off us who just want to trade unuavailable or hard-to-find items.
- Doubledown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7but the .06% on 12 billion is still 72 million dollars... I wouldn't consider that chump change to any industry. Now I wouldn't say that all of that decline is due to piracy, but probably due to lack of talent that is out atm....
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Meanwhile human trafficking of Latin American individuals into the US is up 0.6% in the last several weeks
- brownb2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@goat4
Your analogy is wrong. A better analogy would be that I can go to your house, steal a "virtual" copy of something you created (e.g. source code to an idea for a game you have, photographs, paintings, writings, music you've created etc etc) and sell them before you get chance to and at a lower price when you finally do sell your products.
By your thinking, stealing your works from your house is fine, after all you haven't lost anything, apart from the TIME and EFFORT you put into the work to have someone else rip off, and lost EARNINGS you expected from selling the work. This is why it is illegal. - CodeTrap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Nothing is stolen"
Tell that to the musician who hasn't received a penny for putting out an album that everyone seems to be listening to. I don't know about you, but if I were to create a musical composition, market it, and sell only two copies, but I can walk down the street and hear hundreds of people playing it, then I certainly would feel as if something was stolen from me.
If my be hard to define, but it's still theft.
TANSTAAFL. - Grimdotdotdot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6So you only ever steal music that you don't want?
Do you sneak into AOL warehouses and grab armfuls of 'Free Trial' CD's, too? - AUGTRON, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I used to think the same as most of you until we had a professional pianist come an play for our high school. he was an alumni of our school and nearly blind. He had to pay a bunch for medication and could barely afford rent in LA. He gave us a lecture on how downloading anything illeaglly hurts everyone. For example, if someone downloaded a 50 cent album you think it wouldn't hurt him, he's rich and all. However if his CD flops becuase eveyone is downloading it not buying it, the company is going to spend more money on promoting 50 cent not Kevin Kern. They then will ignore Kevins new albumn and choose not to distribute it because theny are speniding all their money on a popular artist. It's macroeconomics but it hurts everyone. So try and hold back on all the downloading you guys.
- splitfyre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The CD sales slump.. hahaha. A recent study from a Canadian University showed that RIAA's numbers are completely out of whack. I still fully support the artists that I love.
- gr00vy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6If it wasn't for that "physical" hole, this wouldn't be a problem. Just as soon as we can get consumers to buy something other than CD players, we can charge more, offer less, and piracy will go to zero! ViiV!!
- gharding, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6That's dumb. If I rob your house, you shouldn't do anything about it, because there's no way you can stop all robberies.
- Kolar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Making profit off of stealing is wrong in my opinion and these guys apprently made off with a lot. Years in jail seems a bit harsh for the crime but it is the USA. most people who do download music either wouldn't buy the CD ever or download to sample the music as Itunes is a joke to anyone who actually cares what they buy. This 0.6% I would attribute to lack of talent and poor investment by the recording industry. They need to stop trying to clone Britiney Spears and such.
- evol1911, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Downloading by definition means that you want it, if you didn't want it you wouldn't download it. Its as simple as that...
- SmAcKaSs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6and another thing if i may add to the "CD sales" conspiracy. There are plenty of researchers proving that CD sales are very mildy effected by piracy. If the people can afford the CD, they still buy it.
I concur with Kolar. - knightcrawler75, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4$15 is not reasonable for a CD with 2 good songs on it. I used to buy a few Cd's a year but when Itunes started selling songs for a buck a piece I jumped on it and spend over $300 a year on music. I believe that the price point is to high and that record companies need to wise up and lower it to eliminate the black market. A record company could probably give the music away and make plenty on concerts and licensing. They are just GREEDY much like the oil companies. If you want to see what a record company could be go to magnatune.com.
- diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3happy scrappy...
she loves the movie..
obviously. - o0joshua0o, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Piracy is misappropriation. It's also copyright infringement. But it's not theft. Nothing is "stolen".
Also, these guys were in the wrong, and deserve to be punished. It's important to distinguish professional piracy from casual piracy. These guys sound like professionals. - diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@goat4
exactly. i say this all this time to people in conversations. "I was not going to buy it anyways." They never lose money from me as I have no intention of buying it. If it was not available for download I simply would not have it. I buy movies and records and go to shows and the theatre for things that I enjoy and they will continue to receive my money. - brownb2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@goat4
"By your thinking, stealing your works from your house is fine, after all you haven't lost anything, apart from the TIME and EFFORT you put into the work to have someone else rip off, and lost EARNINGS you expected from selling the work. This is why it is illegal.""
theres where you shouldnt EXPECT it. projected earnings from something like this is utter *****.
No its not. If you didn't EXPECT to earn something from your work you wouldn't bother doing it unless you're very charitable and you knew you would give it away - tantamount to working for free, so do you work for a company for free? I bet you don't. (I think the point is driven home here).
I agree that some of the suing thats going on for extortionate sums of money is flat wrong, and that music companies are over charging, but thats no excuse, just boycott their crap, download some creative commons music if you want a reason not to put money in their pockets and make them rethink their marketing strategies rather than givng them a reason to sue and get the money that way (and more money than they are due).
it might be "law" now but just because its LAW doesnt mean its RIGHT.
i dont owe those ***** *****.
The laws are there for the greater good of society, but big business can buy law (e.g DMCA). Copyright and piracy laws have been around MUCH longer. Quite honestly, if a law is not right, play the system at their own game and lobby/protest, don't sit on your ass and complain if you aren't prepared to help fix it - too much complacency by your fellow American is whats causing the problem in the first place.
By not pirating you can take the moral high ground and be in a better position if push comes to shove (i.e. someone tries to do you for piracy), as well as not follow the kiddie/brainwashed herd that "needs" to download or pirate the latest music company force fed shovelled *****. Piracy is the easy and wrong option to fight against the system (and music companies), because the system just works against you.
* I do actually follow my own advice and do legal protests/pledges - it pisses me off when there are other lazy sods that moan about stuff but do ***** all to help put a stop to it. - lludacrisboy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7sales are ONLY down to 12.27 billion dollars. I'm sure all those Latin artists will be so mad they cant buy their THIRD Ferrari or their SECOND 5,000,000 dollar home on their private island. those music industries are retarded. Pirating music will never end so they should never try to stop it
- joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The article quotes the RIAA. Bleh.
- logic11, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I wonder if maybe the 0.6 drop in CD sales might have more to do with the fact that
a: a lot of music is being sold online (surely a billion songs sold on itunes should have some effect on the number of CD's sold)
b: The music industry has really gone to crap lately. If you aren't into urban then it is damned hard to even find music...
Of course, these guys do deserve to go to jail, but using the same term for a large scale copying operation and some kid downloading over p2p is different. In fact, the main reason they deserve to be punished is if they are trying to pass off their counterfeits as the real thing. That is a consumer protection issue. Also, please don't use the term piracy, since I'm pretty sure they didn't take over any ships to get the CD's... - 20after4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2wow I should read the comments before posting. I one day I might even avoid repeating exactly what others have already said...
- newevilmind, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6i didn't know anybody sang in Latin!!
that's kind of cool, I had no idea there were LATIN artists. - knightcrawler75, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Almost all people who pirate music cannot afford to buy it. Hence no loss of costumer. It is a fact that most illegal downloads are made by teenagers and people with little discretionary income. But on occasion these teenagers go to concerts thus increasing money the artists are making. In conclusion most pirating generates more money. That 70 mil is going to the RIAA lawyers.
- MasterDwarf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They must have got caught with their pants down, or they really needed to make a deal in order to get a lesser sentence. Otherwise they shouldnt have plead guilty!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Goat...what was you take on yesterdays "Microsoft found guilty of plagiarism!" for a font? The original people still HAD their font. Did they steal it?"
My take on it was "i dont give a rats *****"
"You are not stealing the song. You are stealing the MONEY that they are owed for you listening to that song whenever you want."
IM STEALING THE MONEY EH? as far as i can tell, im still as poor as i was beforehand. i just can listen to one more song.
"Why do Digg users think that they can make up their own leal definitions and that those ***** definitions become "law""
i dont give a ***** about laws that i dont believe in, thats what a ***** democracy is. civil disobedience got this country made, civil disobedience will keep it going on.
"So..goat...you are entitled to STEAL music as long as you wouldn't have paid for it anyway? What the ***** kind of ***** logic is that? You are not ENTITLED to have any music. It is not a basic right. If you don't like it enough to pay for it, then DON'T listen to it you ***** piece of *****."
it might be "law" now but just because its LAW doesnt mean its RIGHT.
i dont owe those ***** *****.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2strictnein..you forgot number 3, which is even if the article was what smackass thought it was, his post would still be ridiculous.
Ooooh! I read on digg that someone (ONE PERSON) thinks all software wil be free soon, and I personally think music will be free soon. So people should be allowed to steal and give it to others! - vernsan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Some people don't see it yet, these guys made money for making copies of music and selling them. Then some peope just download music for free or burn copies to friends and such. There is a big difference in both of them, one makes money ripping one off majorly.
- gambl0r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why the heck did they need 5,500 CD stampers? Did they run a CD-stamping sweatshop?
- VeganG, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"I wasn't going to buy it anyway...."
Obviously you wanted it enough to obtain it. If you like it enough to desire having it, why not buy it? - knightcrawler75, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I like music but cannot distinguish a 128k mp3 from a regular CD. Maybe it was all the jets taking off over my head in my Navy days. Itunes is just fine for me. If your an audiophile, do not use it and stop bugging the rest of us who don't listen to music in a hyperbolic chamber.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3 i WANT a ferrari. im not gonna BUY one, i dont have that kind of money. im not gonna STEAL it either, because that leaves the owner ferrariless. however if someone owned one and offered me a replica, id take it.
boom downloading should be legal. - Grimdotdotdot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Goat4
"i WANT a ferrari. im not gonna BUY one, i dont have that kind of money. im not gonna STEAL it either, because that leaves the owner ferrariless. however if someone owned one and offered me a replica, id take it."
1. The artists are not offering you these downloads, someone who took them is, so...
If a guy had two Ferarri's, and someone stole one of them, would you take it?
Or: Would you walk into a music shop and steal a CD?
Of course not. Because proper stealing takes balls. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Where is this plenty of research? Digg comments by peopel who say "I still buy CDs if I like it?"
A few people who do that...even 50%...even 75% who go out and buy the CD after downloading does not make it right that the other 25% don't. (It is no where NEAR 75% by the way.)
But correct me...give some sources for your "Reserach" statement. - 20after4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2according to the article, US Music sales dropped 0.6% in 2005 [source: RIAA, of course]
my 2 cents: it seems that 0.6% drop is hardly anything to be worried about. with the huge amount of piracy that they complain about, it seems that relatively little damage is being done to the recording industry. I don't know about software sales but the record companies may not be hurting as much from this as they would like us to believe. - breakintheweb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ o0joshua0o
One could argue that by pirating software, they have stolen a customer that would otherwise purchase the software. - astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Damn, they finally caught up with Eaglesoft... LOL!
Well the RIAA will be right up there butt faster then an alien anal probe stating these guys *waaah* are the
cause of all the loss of CD sales in the last quarter.
RIAA: "We found the CD losses of the soundtrack to "Happy Scrappy Hero Pup" were down, and you are to
blame for it...." - Cerberus047, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I see. So it is OK to steal, as long as the company/person you are doing it from is rich and won't miss it."
Have you read the story of robin hood?
Do you like giving your money to the goverment knowing they will use it to give food stamps and social security money to a drug addict who will use that money for more drugs...and using our hard earned money for crap.... same concept only the riaa is worse than the goverment.... - thenativeraver, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2They should have plead not guilty, that would have allowed the lawyers to leech more money off the riaa.
- burnt1ce85, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Who do you think pay for music videos, sound studio use, and background muscians before they become rich and famous? The record label does. They get money from selling CDs while the artists get popular and make money off of concerts.
- burnt1ce85, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4When will you people realize that piracy is a problem? When people pirate to make money by selling them, you're obviously stealing profit from the owners. It's a simple fact. When you add the possibility that people can make money by pirating, people would undoubtly do it. Also, if you have the money to buy pirated movies/cds, then you obviously have the money to buy legit copies. You may in a result have less of what you want but guess what.. not everybody gets what they want.
I hear people whine that movies/cds are too expensive which is why they pirate. Why dont you stop your stupid whinning and try to find ways to make more money? Paying $30 bucks for a movie and $15 for a cd is not unreasonable. If you dont like, dont buy it.
I agree there are some cases which pirating can be ethical even though it's breaking the law. If you pirate a software for the sake of helping a deprived student learn then that's legitiment for many reasons that i will not explain.
Even though i personally think pirating is generally bad, i agree with John Dvorak that people who pirate (who dont intend making a profit) should be fined and not go to prison. I dont think you should get your butt raped by a prisoner for such minor offences. - afex, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_music
there you go buddy. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I see. So it is OK to steal, as long as the company/person you are doing it from is rich and won't miss it.
If there was a story about people who stole some iPods, you would all have no problem with it, since Apple can afford it? Right? - Grimdotdotdot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No they didn't - they could have stolen it from the shop.
- LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@doubledown: Even if it IS 72 million dollars, they won't miss it one bit. .6% is ABSOLUTE pocket change to them. If they want my sympathy, they ain't gettin it.
- llbbl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"I hear people whine that movies/cds are too expensive which is why they pirate. Why dont you stop your stupid whinning and try to find ways to make more money? Paying $30 bucks for a movie and $15 for a cd is not unreasonable. If you dont like, dont buy it."
It is certainly IS unreasonable to charge that much. Not everyone is or should be a millionare. These prices are based on the average income to reach the most number of people while maximizing the amount of profit the companies will make. Music and movies are art, part of our culture, something that everyone should be able to afford to own and enjoy. $1 a song on Itunes is too expensive for someone who likes to buy albumns, but it is an improvement because at least you can buy single tracks at a "reasonable price".
The problem is the distribution system. It is broken. The wrong people are profiting off the artists creations. When the company/label is making 80 cents on the dollar than it just doesn't make sense. The money should go directly to the artists not the label. Record companies shouldn't be allowed to own any music. They are services the artists should pay for. Print me 100,000 cd's and ship them out all the local music stores. -
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