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- MasterChi, on 10/12/2007, -13/+52Um, I think its all Youtube on this because Google Videos allows you to download them so it seems Google has no problem with downloading, so please don't blame this on Google. Thanks.
- beyondsad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20It wasn't a court order, just a simple cease and desist notice from YouTube's counsel.
- Yorn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20"shame on google for upholding the law, shame!"
What law? The content is user-owned, YouTube can claim NOTHING about exclusive right to distribute. The article even mentioned the failed legal logic, and indicates that the cease and desist was merely to show they attempted, not like they will pursue something in court.
Do no evil my ass. I knew this YouTube deal was going to end up hurting Google publicly like this, though Techcrunch did probably step over the line calling it the "YouTube Video Download Tool". At the very least they should remove the trademark name so people don't think YouTube endorses them. - squirrelza, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12It's ridiculous considering the amount of tools and websites available. They are even available on SoftPedia and such. Anyways, if there's anyone looking to download any embedded stuff from many websites, check this out: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2390/
- Skeuomorph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11YouTube does allow downloads. In fact, they only allow downloads, no streams.
Every single video you play on YouTube is a download. The videos are Flash .flv files, served from HTTP, not streams. The only trick they have is that the URL you see is actually a tagged redirect which their player knows how to interpret, as does the TechCrunch tool. (Fancy form of security by obscurity.)
Note: the majority of Flash sites are not streaming, only progressive download. - hobgobbler, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13They may have been forced to do this by the copyright holders they made deals with, and if so they'll probably be forced to keep doing it.
- Nachoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11All we need is another youtube clone hosted in a different country like Russia.
Piracy is what made Youtube a success. If it was not for people uploading everything on Youtube, nobody would ever paid attention to the site. I was attracted by the site, because a friend of mine gave me a link to an episode of SouthPark. It had great usability so I started to visit the site again to watch some other videos. I believe most of us feel like that.
Why are they so afraid of people downloading videos? Youtube Videos are great for web access but of poor quality when viewed in fullscreen. - abohling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"over 2" .. so .. 3?
- matrixXform, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I'd suggest a few of the previous commenters RTFA ...
The C&D claims violation of YouTube's terms of service, yet the YouTube TOS does not prohibit what they are doing. In other words, the letter appears to make false statements. It does not appear to be a legitimateomplaint. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@ImTheDarkcyde
Upholding the law?
Well, I have never posted a video to YouTube but my understanding is that the videos on there REMAIN the property of the person posting them. I could understand an option to "not allow downloads of my video" or even people (or networks) adding a disclaimer that you may not download the videos but this is not the responsibility (or right) of YouTube to uphold.
However, what does the EULA say when someone uploads a video to YouTube? That could be scary if they assume all rights to the video once you place it on their site. In which case they would have the right to uphold limitations on downloading. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well, there's always www.keepvid.com
- Wratherin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Of course, the irony of YouTube accusing others of copyright infringement is delicious. But I won’t go into that right now."
How very true.
One shouldn't be worried about the speck in another's eye when they have a splinter in theirs. - Wikifindings, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3A discussion on Wikipedia dealt with the topic of downloading from YouTube a while ago. I submitted it to Digg when I took notice of it, but unfortunately it didn't get dugg.
The disputants uttered some interesting arguments. Download related information has then been removed from Wikipedia's article about YouTube.
Story on digg: http://digg.com/political_opinion/A_Wikipedia_Dispute_Is_Keepvid_com_illegal
Direct link to Wikipedia discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:YouTube#Downloading_files - jonesin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I think there's a difference between allowing downloads and trying to prevent people from downloading. Anything that gets sent to the user's computer is copyable in some way or another, them taking the path that the media moguls have idiotically tread down for the past decade would be foolish and only serve to make youtube lame.
- resplence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"The content is user-owned, YouTube can claim NOTHING about exclusive right to distribute."
In a way it can, granted the submitter agreed to these terms:
"You also hereby grant each user of the YouTube Website a non-exclusive license to access your User Submissions through the Website, and to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display and perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality of the Website and under these Terms of Service."
Although the terms are clear to grant the actual ownership of the video to the user, and that YouTube does not have exclusive rights to distribute, once a video is uploaded to YouTube, you are only allowed to use it in ways that YouTube's functionalities permit.
Which is not the case when you use a third-party service to download YouTube's content. - Wikifindings, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I believe this is the better extension compared to the VideoDownloader spyware:
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/3006/
http://www.indigen.com/dwhelper/index.en.htm?why=help - Frost9999, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"if Youtube allowed downloads..."
They do allow downloads. All the videos I watch are downloaded to my computer and displayed in my browser... yes... downloaded. If they want to control what device I play the videos on they can restrict viewing to kiosks in their offices. If not, I will continue to do what I like with the videos that they are already allow me to download. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2A C&D order is usually just nonsense that in reality should prompt a "***** you," for a response.
Usually it's for some content descrambler or some way to remove copy protection.
Then let them sue you. If, for some weird anomaly in the universe, they win, then just make it open source on sourceForge. If they STILL persist on claiming it's illegal, simply move the code to P2P network with MD5 for the latest code files.
It's so easy to decentralize this stuff to the point they can't do a damn thing :) - antdude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2or 4, 5, 6, 7, etc.
- resplence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"once a video is uploaded to YouTube, you are only allowed to use it in ways that YouTube's functionalities permit."
And by 'it' I'm obviously referring to the copy of the video that's now hosted on YouTube. - thenativeraver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The Unplug XPI works everytime.
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2254/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1These sad attempts at censorship are foolish. Because of the cease and decist, more people are going to post the tools and guide. In fact more people are going to download Youtube videos then ever before.
- ilgaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It would be nice if On2 Technologies and Adobe sent a CD letter to Youtube to stop using their codec/software (VP6) with horrible parameters.
If you have used VP codecs with correct parameters/2 pass, you will understand what I mean. - strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What "right" are they not standing up for?
- abyssknight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1As much as I hate TechCrunch, this is kind of lame. Whenever I get around to setting up my media center, I will be using a program like this. However, I won't give TechCrunch a single cent of ad revenue. YouTube is becoming a monstrosity of a web start up, and we all know what happens when indie becomes cool. Yes, yes, they castrate them and take them down a peg. Hopefully it happens sooner rather than later, to both of them.
Just my 2 cents. - darkened, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Dugg for showing TechCrunch would rather placate YouTube than stand up for their rights.
- squirrelza, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4billyboobs: http://digg.com/software/VideoDownloader_1_1_1_FireFox_plugin < Feel free to digg that too so other people can see instead of being in the comments here
- JackSpratts, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1depending on how large you set your browser cache, simply watching a video from youtube already installs it on your drive. in opera for instance it would be labeled something like "opr0D3XK.flv 21,881KB FLV File" (or TMP) and could be played indefinitely in any number of players that handle such extensions. there are freeware programs (like flv converter) that convert tmps or flvs to avis and mpegs for whatever reasons you need them, while c&p'ing them out of cache and into say "my vids" insures their extended stay.
the whole cease and desist approach is somewhat dishonest. youtube doesn't "own" the content to begin with, and by distributing via browser already accepts it’ll be cached on harddrives for a certain amount of time.
now that google has admitted reserving some 200 million dollars for a copyright slush fund it's probably doing everything it can to "appear" to be preventing infringement. in reality however it's nothing but a big infringing machine, operating inside the world's largest infringing machine, otherwise known as the internet, and which as far as i’m concerned is the major point in its favor.
- js. - strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Actually, you have failed it. Nice try though.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If YouTube really wants to stop people from downloading videos they can add one line of Actionscript to their Flash movies that checks the path of the file before it plays.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I just checked, I have 2 firefox extensions that can download youtube vids right now.
Video Downloader and Download Helper.
Search for them on the firefox extensions site - wiener, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2oops
- abyssknight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I am such a troll. Hehe.
- bdogg64, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Its already been replicated a bunch of times....
- jgreene777, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2all these pricks just want control over as much content as possible... that's all it is... control.
- Steeple, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1on a mac, you can find youtube videos cached here- /private/var/tmp/folders.503/TemporaryItems/
add a .flv extension and play them in mplayer, and you're done - Fhwqhgads, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dugg for truth. Why does youtube think they are so popular? Take a wild guess.
Irony indeed. - SeenD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This is lame.
Surfing the web causes data to be downloaded to your computer.
So when I surf to YouTube with Firefox or IE the temporary files also store the movie of of YouTube. So IE of FF also should receive a cease and desist letter.
This letter makes no sense. - Daunting, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1There's so many programs that can save programs to the user's harddrive it's pretty much geek common knowledge. Bet it's even wellknown among many less than knowledgeable youtubers.
- mercado, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Shortcut to the TechCruch tool. I'm not a programmer, but seems simple. Hmmm, makes me wonder if another group can replicate something like this...
http://www.techcrunch.com/ytdownload2.php - allen074, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I had something disappointing happen at the ad:tech conference last week when trying to speak to people at the Google booth - they basically told me no video of their booth or interviewing:
http://www.centernetworks.com/disappointed-with-google - LostOnion, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@skeuomorph - thanks for that information. Very informative. I learned something here today.
- radial, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2umm if you dont like youtube, try stage6
http://stage6.divx.com - jaredude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm tempted to boycott youtube now. It sucks when companies get big and think they can just forget about who made them. The only reason that site is popular is because of the freedom of using the site. If enough people shift to another community, the $1.2 billion Google spent will be put at risk.
- MattH, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Stage 6 also gives you the option to download and even burn the DivX encoded content to DVD.
- ChiKoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'll just stick with DailyMotion, thanks.
- wiener, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2
When you're in a hole koregaonpark, stop Digging. - athletics, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0TechCrunch provide only the tool. People who use the tool would actually violate TOS.
You don't blame the gun maker because his product got involved in a murder. - bertram, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1jesus - now techcrunch is spamming us with news about itself? ugh. is there a FF extension to auto-mark as spam?
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