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- Rememberthe0511, on 10/24/2009, -3/+50The reason the big media companies are scared file sharing the most, is not the thought that the are pirating their content, it is that file sharing might enable society to no longer need them what so ever.
- pigfister, on 10/24/2009, -0/+35Great news except virtually every ISP is throttling the p2p protocol beyond use.
in the UK anyway! - hroo772, on 10/25/2009, -1/+34It would have been nice for this story to be on the frontpage of digg in time for people to actually see the live steam :-/
- steviesteveo, on 10/25/2009, -1/+18Technically no, BitTorrent has supported prioritisation for some years now. That means that it's possible to have your client request the earlier bits first so that the file does, on average, fill from the start of the end as availability allows. It's less efficient so the better way is to request bits as they become available regardless of where they fall in the file and that's the default behaviour but regardless, this is just a feature of the BitTorrent protocol. Other features include being able to select which files to download out of a group in the torrent (this is one reason why it's counter productive to include all of the files compressed in a .rar archive in torrents because it stops people downloading just the ones they will need).
Also, I pretty much logged in just so I could bury you for [k]no[w]. - mebbin, on 10/24/2009, -2/+16Wow!!! that sounds wonderful.
- Kakemonstere, on 10/25/2009, -1/+14I'm just digging this cause it's an article on the frontpage that mentions my town (Tromsø) and that will never ever happen on digg again:P
- GiggleStick, on 10/25/2009, -0/+12Can you prioritize the last chunks and see into the future?
- Wade, on 10/25/2009, -5/+11Please select another answer as file sharers have been known to produce content. Ask many indie bands and film makers and... Trent Reznor. File sharing doesn't mean copyright infringement.
- Crimsoneer, on 10/25/2009, -0/+4Swarmplayer works just fine...
- crossmr, on 10/25/2009, -2/+6its still not really p2p how we think about it. Users are rebroadcasting.
- pault107, on 10/25/2009, -0/+4I'm on the 10Mb/s Virgin plan and it sucks real bad. My connection drops to something like 1Mb/s if I download more than 3Gb in the daytime. (When you have a porn addicted house mate, that doesn't take long)
- ohreilly, on 10/25/2009, -0/+4He isn't wrong - most of you either don't know or fail to realise what "ipstream" is.
IPstream = the BT ADSL product which will be capped or shaped thanks to our regulator ensuring BT fixes prices to make LLU look attractive. OFCOM doesn't care about those of us who can't get LLU. - skunkman62, on 10/25/2009, -3/+7crole i think rememberthe0511 is referring to distribution, not the makers of content. wade your answer is stupid. how many indie bands and film makers...trent reznor have you asked? could you give me trent's number so i can ask him?
- MonsterRayn, on 10/25/2009, -0/+4The only time my hometown was mentioned in any national media was (2 years after I moved from there) when it was joked about for 30-45 minutes on the Opie & Anthony show on SiriusXM, because some guy decided to have sex with a goat.
Your town gets the cooler mention. - steviesteveo, on 10/25/2009, -1/+5I think skunkman62 nails that one on the head. What does a publishing company do? The clue's in the name. If you're sharing the files directly you don't really need that publishing company. You still need a publicity company, obviously, but the publishing's getting done.
I'm not very impressed that any particular person is doing something, that doesn't say very much about the rest of, you know, the world. Content creators create content, file sharers share files. Sometimes you are what you do and sometimes you can do more than one thing and sometimes you do just the one thing. It all depends. - steviesteveo, on 10/25/2009, -0/+3That's so debatable.
- borez, on 10/25/2009, -1/+4I beg to differ, I have a 14.42Mb/s down speed and a constant 1.57Mb/s upspeed on a static IP that is in use 24/7... no throttling what so ever, even at peak times
And considering I live 5 miles from the nearest exchange I think that's pretty damn fast to be honest.
+ The question is always coming up regarding throttling on their forums and always with the same answer: " We don't do it now, and we're not going to do it in the future." - steviesteveo, on 10/25/2009, -0/+3Well, on one hand I only ever said "technically no" and on the other hand if everyone downloads the first parts first then what happens is that more people will have the early bits. It all depends on what everyone else is downloading and that can be changed if you reconfigure your client. You're obviously assuming everyone else is downloading parts randomly and if you're watching a stream then you wouldn't, it wouldn't work very well and you've pointed out why.
If you want me to say that bit torrent is the only way to download something sequentially I'm not gonna, I know there's many other ways. All I'm saying is that you're wrong to say that Bit Torrent doesn't let you and Bit Torrent is a) well known, b) established, c) widely installed, d) cost effective and e) what Swarmplayer uses. - Jarasmen, on 10/25/2009, -3/+6Warning:mysqli::mysqli() [function.mysqli-mysqli]: (HY000/2002): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
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Kinda doesn't bode well for the live broadcast, if even the project page is down. - MacHarborGuy, on 10/25/2009, -0/+3P2P = peer 2 peer. one user (peer) is sharing bits with another user (peer). the bits are getting sent one way or another
- haikuFU, on 10/25/2009, -0/+3Multicast was designed for this sort of thing. Using P2P for it is a waste of bandwidth, unfortunately, some ISP's do not have multicast configured correctly.
- antonymarceles, on 10/24/2009, -0/+2Sounds interesting.
- Rememberthe0511, on 10/25/2009, -0/+2Bit Torrent was created to share Linux .iso files. I have uploaded a lot of open source torrents as my way of helping. That is, I can't program, but I can summit and upload. And if new bands are smart they will get their fame from youtube and file sharing networks,and if they are even smarter once they have a large following they will take some of their donations, have their first album recorded, release it under creative commons and share that with the world and inform their fans that they WANT them to give their music to anyone and everyone, setting a tour and make all of their money from shows and merch, that's where all the real money is at anyways.
Also I have been getting into photography, hoping to get good, then I'll release my work under creative commons and share them over bit torrent. - steviesteveo, on 10/25/2009, -0/+2I don't see why not. Who needs the LHC now?
- borez, on 10/25/2009, -1/+3BeThere.com aren't.
Screw the rest. - theonlywizdum, on 10/25/2009, -0/+2NO U
- crossmr, on 10/25/2009, -0/+2Idiots.
http://www.elephantsdream.org/
Took 3 seconds of searching to find.
Beats nasty old people by 3 years.
You're not remotely first.
You've got yourself a good bury squad Yatti. - pault107, on 10/25/2009, -2/+3Correct URL:
https://www.bethere.co.uk/web/beportal/homepage - zionoe, on 10/25/2009, -0/+1what about the retailers in future :O
- Stalks, on 10/25/2009, -2/+3Yeah pigfister is wrong. I am using BeThere LLU and never got throttled at any time on any protocol.
- Kyan, on 10/25/2009, -1/+2I will support you.
Tromsø, FWIW! - Yatti420, on 10/24/2009, -4/+5In other news First Creative Commons Film Nasty Old People - DVD Torrent avail now.. www.nastyoldpeople.org
- Drizzit, on 10/25/2009, -0/+1No actually, not that long ago a company called RayV used a P2P streaming program to broadcast Blizzcon over the internet.
- FlyingSquidwolf, on 10/26/2009, -0/+1Virgin Media Use "Traffic Management" throttling on those who aren't on 50Mb Broadband. If you Download more than the limit during the times listed, your connection will be throttled.
Daytime "management"
Size S (2Mb) DSL: 200MB 9am - 9pm
Size M (2Mb) Cable: 1GB 10am - 3pm
Size L (10Mb) Cable: 3GB 10am - 3pm
Size XL (20Mb) Cable: 7GB 10am - 3pm
Evening "management"
Size S (2Mb) DSL: 200MB Same as Above
Size M (2Mb) Cable: 500MB 4pm - 9pm
Size L (10Mb) Cable: 1.5GB 4pm - 9pm
Size XL (20Mb) Cable: 3.5GB 4pm - 9pm
Percentage Throttled
Size S: 50%
Size M: 75%
Size L: 75%
Size XL: 75%
50Mb Broadband Users do not have any Upload/Download limits according to Virgin Media, i have a 50Mb Connection and the connection rarely drops below 40Mb. There was one time when the connection dropped to around 25Mb but that has only occured once. - rompom7, on 10/25/2009, -2/+3I still don't quite understand how it's live.. There's going to be so many leechers requesting the next live piece, and only few seeders who have the live piece.
If there's like a 5+ minute delay (or say, 10mb buffer), it would probably work, but then it's not really live. I know, I know, nothing is live, even live tv has 7-10 second delay... But a line is drawn at 60 seconds, if there's a delay more than 60 seconds, it's not live, it's delayed. - ohreilly, on 10/25/2009, -1/+1My BT-based ISP doesn't traffic shape, but they do cap.
It pays to pay a bit more for quality (unless you're one of the lucky few who can get LLU from someone reputable). - maxiecolliercom, on 10/25/2009, -1/+1what will be on the future? It seem promising on file peer to peer connection.
- gilbes, on 10/25/2009, -1/+1You are missing the point. Fewer people with have the bytes at the head of the stream. Which means fewer people will be downloading from anybody but the source.
And we already have other technologies to download from the source. - Wade, on 10/26/2009, -2/+2skunkman62: Actually, I visit one of many websites on the internet where musicians freely share their music via file sharing. The content may not be public domain, but they are the ones to create it and own the copyright. Have you ever seen youtube, that should be an example to you as to how many film makers out there are doing their own thing in regards to file sharing.
So what exactly was stupid about what I posted before? That I didn't poll everybody on the planet Earth or that you 'think' (I use the term VERY loosely) that a fraction of file sharers aren't also content producers (clearly not everyone's going to be)? - KawazoeMasahiro, on 10/25/2009, -1/+1Cool but not in quebec where BitTorrent speed is throttled to 25 kbps max over every ADSL lines....
- maxmara2, on 10/25/2009, -1/+0lol
- pigfister, on 10/25/2009, -4/+2They are, o2 ipstream has just lost net neutrality & BE(o2 telefonica) are already conducting tests to maximise profits you are going to be throttled on LLU, i recommend that you test your connection.
- FlaNative, on 10/25/2009, -4/+0Buried for software required.
Is NOT working with just bittorrent. - FlyingSquidwolf, on 10/25/2009, -5/+1Virgin Media hasn't throttled my connection at all
ah the joys of 50mb :) - hewball, on 10/25/2009, -5/+1this is not the first time this type of technology has been used
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P2PTV - BooLag, on 10/25/2009, -5/+0That's what SHE said!
- gilbes, on 10/25/2009, -17/+11You guys no this is complete BS right?
The Bittorrent protocol is based on acquiring random bits of a file, not sequentially like a stream would need. That is supposed to be its advantage, acquiring random bits from multiple clients.
Now they want to sequentially acquire bits with the protocol. When you know the details of how it works, this ends up being a retarded publicity stunt. - crossmr, on 10/25/2009, -8/+1No, the first CC film was some piece of crap about a dream.
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