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- Lionhart, on 10/12/2007, -17/+170"Please learn your tech before posting ignorant blabber."
Learn how to spot a joke before posting your ignorant blabber. - cody50, on 10/12/2007, -22/+165Virtual as in, not really around anymore?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+73would you rather hear it from Dvorak?
- graystar, on 10/12/2007, -11/+60@Lionhart
Good call. I am amazed by how many comments are people who do not see the jokes on digg. They must be like robots or something. - Evildudetx, on 10/12/2007, -9/+53Ah, you gotta love Gartner. Making yet another prediction that will never happen.
- animalpsychic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25For $20k Gartner will predict that monkeys will fly out of your butt on Christmas.
- Linkage155, on 10/12/2007, -9/+32I like the idea, dont creally care what you guys say, but this is a step foward.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+332008 or 2009!? He's got to be kidding. MS is going to have enough on their hands patching the hell out of it for at least a year or so, maybe 2, before they will be spending any time adding that crap in. Seriously.
- drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26@graystar
Be careful cause those people who can't spot a joke are going to think you really just called them robots. They might reply with something about how they really have had sex. - kyledavis, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26In case most people aren't reading the article, here's a good summary for you:
"...blah, blah, blah...buzzword, buzzword, buzzword...*****, *****, *****...blah, blah, blah..." - r121, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Hey, that was supposed to be a trade secret!
- Philodox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22I'm not sure that virtualization is the answer to a bloated kernel. Unless they plan on having many bloated kernels running simultaneously.
- doodlebumm, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21If there's a pool, I'll take March 2017. Who do I send my dollar to?
- mc4_a, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Let me look that up on the Microsoft to real time converter...
hmmm...it appears I'll be dead before this happens. - Bigcat1021, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"I dont see it running naively"
Totally agree. It will be cynical by default. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Yeah, AND with another actual person.
- ThunderIT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11this is pure speculation by a research firm, and it says right in the article that microsoft doesn't agree with them
- natterca, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10++dig parent. This is just a bunch of speculation from Gartner. To quote TFA:
"They said Microsoft doesn't agree with this vision, saying it's identified problems with integrating data across partitions and creating a consistent user experience. "However, we regard these concerns as only partially founded, and anticipate a key role for virtualisation in the required unbundling of the Windows OS," the analysts said." - cmiller1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9What ever happened to Singularity?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12yeah, whose name doesn't end in .jpg or .gif
- iancgi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13WebOS isnt practical enough to catch on
- dragonmantank, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9We do this at work with ESX server. We've taken (and are in the process of taking) about 10+ physical comptuers into 2 IBM servers.
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@ kyledavis
so it's about web2.0? - chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7if it's a WebOS what is the browser going to run on?
- MisterKen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8This just in, Gartner also predicts that Jupiter Research will be staffed by a bunch of "poopy heads' by 2007 and that you should not buy their overpriced research papers, only Gartners’.
Shocking. - crilen007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Then by all reasoning, you don't believe it.
- kimastergeorge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@Yez70
True, but The 640k quote and this vitual prediction and the doubt of this prediction are not statements, they're opinions. (Statements of opinions, perhaps... and you can never be ignorant when you come to your own opinion.)
Futhurmore, was Bill Gates uninformed and ignorant when he made the 640k statement? No, he just assumed that was correct because no one ever HAD needed near 640k before. For example, I can't think of a use for 10 terabytes (besides perhaps downloading every torrent you ever came across, ever--and plus it'd take a while to fill), but in a few (read: 10, 20) years everyone might need much more than 10 terabytes for thier extremely high-res videos and photorealistic games and thier 20-speaker surround-sound music.
Similarly, the prediction of virtual Windows is informed and not ignorant, same for the doubt of this prediction. - Yez70, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Bill Gates: "640k is more memory than any computer user will ever need."
Making ignorant statements is as stupid as believing in psychics. - saleens281, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Talk about a horrible and inaccurate topic. Try "gartner thinks windows will probably have to go virtual after vista". Far far cry from Microsoft stating it's going to happen. Don't phrase someone's guess as a fact please.
- brd6644, on 09/01/2009, -3/+8Marked as inaccurate. Pure speculation by Gartner.
Virtualization is awesome for servers or if you're a tester/developer that needs to setup and teardown environments quickly. But the common home or business user... what benefit will virtualization bring for Windows? And please don't say browser security. If I need to launch an entire separate VM/OS in order to surf the web then Microsoft needs to look at the source code for SELinux and learn how to design an OS that's actually secure. Noobs. - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Looks like digg needs Tech Industry Opinion as well...
- BigLinuxGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+42008 or 2009? Isn't that when Vista will be initially released??????? ;-)
- ScornForSega, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I don't doubt it. As the article states, a really popular thing to do nowadays is to setup a VMware server and have people log into to OSs that are custom tailored to the particular application. The OS comes up and goes down as the app is needed. You'd be amazed how much system resources you can save when you don't have to load a ton of system services.
Anyway, AFAIK, MS's Virtual PC doesn't have this capability yet when it comes to remote users. I think it'll all be pretty cool. - kimastergeorge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Sorry dudes misread replace all instances of "virtual Windows" in my above post with "WebOS" (and edit time ran out)
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3No, that's not it.
I can't say I completely understand what Gartner is getting at but what I hope is that MS is going to build it's next OS from the ground up and get rid of all the cobwebs (registry, dll hell, etc) and run legacy software using a virtualisation of Vista. I doubt they will do this. - saleens281, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Because it turns out some of us like playing games, and don't like the idea of google caching every single thing we do on our computers. I don't know about you, but I like to know my bank records are my own, and not googles in their quest to "catalog all of the world's knowledge".
- jejones, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@cody50: We can but hope.
- dioscaido, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Yez70:
Here you go, friend:
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,1484,00.html - mcprogrammer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I don't think Singularity is ever supposed to be a shipping product; it's just for research. I could be wrong though.
- dextroz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4why - are you blind?
- nodehopper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4This is being brought on by the hooks the Chip Makers are putting directly into processors that allow Vitalization to run natively. It is a great security feature as the always insecure IE can run in a sand boxed virtual environment, keeping all the nasties it allows to automatically run code away from the operating system itself, which would be running in a separate virtual sandbox of it's own. This isn't just a Windows thing as Linux already has stronger vitalization capabilities available.
- TheJenks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Look how much trouble MS have had producing Vista and thats no huge leap above windows XP and 2003, I cant imagine them attempting anything big anymore until they sort themselves out a bit.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You can count me out on wanting an internet OS. Dumb terminals were tried before by corporations and universities. What makes you think they will work again?
- jmack111, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Gartner is full of crap. I find it very comical that someone would predict this sort of thing from a company that has work for over 5 years on a new OS and yet still continues to strip away the so called "features" they have been talking up. Good luck going virtual if you can't even get this next step right!!!
Ahh now I feel better... a bit of venting does everyone some good. - KWhat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's how we can predict what new features windows will have in the future... look at what Linux has had for the last 5 years. Mac users don't feel left out many of the features that were in kde/gnome are already in your OS with more to come =P
- Chupatumama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2>Yea, I marked this as inaccurate because it's a prediction from a third-party.
Yes, let's get rid of all predictions, opinions and hot air that dominates the world of tech.
You'll cut 3/4 of the article here and Dvorak's career. - dragonmantank, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4In case most people aren't reading the article, it's talking about virtualization in the sense of like what Xen does and using the hypervisor mode of newer chipsets, not remoting into a machine that's not real.
- deepstar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Singularity is primarily meant to be a prototype from Microsoft Research Labs. In theory other departments within MS will then implement ideas explored by the prototypes coming out of the research labs. In practice the developers will probably ignore it.
It's an interesting project but in reading about it, it seems an insanely bureaucratic kernel. Lots of handshaking and authentication at every level to insure security. - ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22008... Great... Windows Vista is going to be out just arround the time DX10 video cards will become affordable so i can try windows Vista with all its DX10 games.
- adolfojp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Virtual as in Virtual Machine? .NET?
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