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- sfpfc, on 10/10/2007, -5/+149Tiananmen Square: On this spot in 1989, nothing happened
- wiifm69, on 10/10/2007, -4/+84good on him, those poor Chinese are repressed enough as it is currently with what they can view online
- realwx, on 10/10/2007, -4/+49[citation needed]
- synaesthesia, on 10/10/2007, -4/+37Butt.....assed...?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -7/+36China has a butt assed government; even worse than our current administration.
The Chinese government are run by a bunch of small minded, petty crapheads. we as a country should boycott their asses so the people can rise up and over throw their stupid government. - DarkDragon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+20[No Citation needed]
- FRANKeB, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19From my Chinese friend: 'Chinese copyright is the right to copy anything they like'.
- pkonink, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17"Although Wikipedia’s content is currently blocked in China, Chinese search engine Baidu has been offering some of the website’s content…claiming it as its own copyrighted material."
LOL, big surprise on that. I've been fighting off Chinese scrapers for a few months now. The end result? I finally had to do what I swore not to do: start aggressively blocking IPs through htaccess. Guess what percentage of IPs that I blocked originate in China? That's right, 100%. The only blocked IPs in my list are Chinese. I've even thought about attempting to block the entire country since the only visits I get from there are from spammers/scrapers.
How ironic is it that a nation that blocks other countries so aggressively is in turn responsible for most of the world's Internet pollution? - mcmlxxii, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Well I see your point, but in time one billion Chinese people are going to be asking the question "Why did the state block my access to the internet in this way". I smell the wind of change, and I think Jimmy is doing the right thing. As long as companies provide "crippled" versions of the web to China the people will have less reason to demand freedom from censorship.
- merreborn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14Nor do they really make money at all -- they're a non-profit organization. They run on donations. Yahoo and google, however are companies run for profit.
So, companies cooperate with the Chinese government in order to make money off of their billion potential customers. Non-profits don't cooperate with the government, since they don't really lose anything if that means cutting off a billion potential users. Big shock. - valehru, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12umm...i'm in Beijing right now. The english version of wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki is most certainly not blocked.
I thoroughly recommend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Unusual_articles
Enjoy - wtfmate112, on 10/10/2007, -4/+14They are only doing this because they don't make any money from ads on their site.
- monkeyrun, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11so ... they have to read wikipedia in order to learn about their own culture?
- Zodiac, on 10/10/2007, -4/+14i dont blame them.
have you guys seen how goddamn hard chinese is to write in? - jtb4, on 10/10/2007, -4/+13Guess they won't be reading this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taboo_food_and_drink#Cats
- pkonink, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8I write video game guides. They steal my content and other sites' content and repost it on RMT sites (sites that sell virtual currency - you've probably heard of them, the gold sweatshops). Or well, they don't steal mine anymore, because I blocked them and monitor my logs like a hawk.
- santaliqueur, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9dugg down for explaining you got the joke
- Fl4sh, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7The Chinese government sucks! Good for him!
- GeneralFault, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Given the level of censorship in China, yes, very likely. As sfpfc posted below:
"Tiananmen Square: On this spot in 1989, nothing happened"
This is the same reason that I have to watch the BBC (among other sources) to figure out what is really going on in the U.S. - ghettodev, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6@88e88: Its called sarcasm, look it up on wiki... nevermind.
- incaseyoucare, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I'm glad wiki took this stand against censorship. Their stance may or may not produce any dramatic effect, but at least they aren't implying that they approve of government censorship by compromising.
I think yahoo/google made a prudent business decision when they compromised. However, I don't believe for one second, that their compromise was a charitable act toward the Chinese people. These are primarily advertising companies that wanted a piece of the Chinese market, and compromise was the only way to get in. The idea that the poor Chinese people would be sitting helplessly in front of their useless computers without the help of google, or that it would somehow "slow the tide of democracy" is just silly. China is a very tech savvy country and I'm relatively sure that there are software companies that can compete technologically (maybe not on the advertising side) against google, within the Chinese market.
I'm a little annoyed at the google boys though, because they claimed to be a little better then those other guys. There was some talk, early on in the evolution of google, about a claim to a sliver of moral high ground, and i think this is why people have been more critical of googles business practice. In actuality, google has behaved about the same as any other competitive business-had googles motto been "lets make lots of money...yay" I don't think we would have noticed a difference. - antdude, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6http://digg.com/security/Just_how_bad_is_Chinese_censorship_PBS_shows_you for FrontLine's documentary and how China's people react...
- krakhed, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6This is the best Ive heard in a while. Go wikipedia!
- illspirit, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I live in Beijing as well. Any ISP operating in mainland china obeys the censorship laws the the government puts into place. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Wikipedia_in_mainland_China has all the information regarding the blocks. To sum it up, the Chinese version of wikipedia remains blocked as well as some "sensitive" pages regardless of the language.
- STx1900, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9Great argument. Thank you for that keen insight.
- Absinthminded64, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6America's greed? Who's enslaving their people to make a buck selling the planet's poorest quality consumer goods? Who's the world's largest owner of US bonds?
I agree that the US is greedy though ;) - michaelinnotts, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6dugg up for implying plbland is an idiot.
- Lyanto, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Chinese is just a LOT of memorization. Japanese is the real kicker, it uses 2 writing alphabets along with about 1900 Chinese characters, sometimes all three simulaneously.
- ctrlfreak13, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6You are so ignorant it makes me sick; it's pathetic you see oppression as "no big deal"
- DeusNova, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Dugg for Jimbo wearing a Chinese suit.
- pkonink, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5You are absolutely right. Thank God for non-profits. I think I'm going to go over to Wikipedia and donate $20 right now.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Gooogle/Yahoo and you left out one big one....Cisco.
- Zodiac, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7It is people like you who make their way into a political campaign and ruin a good country.
- mikepoint3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Wiki: "Tiananmen Square is the Chinese version of Twister."
- dinostabOMG, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4What exactly are the scrapers doing, out of curiosity? Do you find your content reposted on official Chinese sites or something?
- tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I don't think Digg is blocked in China. ;)
- flashingcurser, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Does this mean state sponsored attempts at wikipedia editing?
- pkonink, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3It really trips me out, I like to keep my opinions at least somewhat reserved not really knowing that much about day-to-day life in China or their government. But so far the comment I posted has been not only my (limited) experience, but the experience of everyone I've run across in my research (about how to thwart spammers). I used to be very pro-China, but in the past three years or so (and especially in the past year) my position has changed dramatically.
- warnergt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Send us a screen shot of the Tiananmen Square protests.
- FRANKeB, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3you
- oblivinated, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3If you're in China, your ISP has to be Chinese. Goodjob on the logic there.
- FRANKeB, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3high?
- FRANKeB, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3that
- FRANKeB, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Are
- yahoofrom, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2@qhettodev, I looked it up on wiki and it says "this page is blocked".
- lorean, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Living in New Zealand is an excellent chance to improve your English. Spend more time socializing with the locals.
- iamlutheran, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2That's the Chinese way of doing things... As far as I am concerned we should stop trading with China. They are a ruthless people who will sell their own grandmother to make a buck.
- juicebag, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Isn't the Chinese government communist?
- Pinhedd, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I got by without google for a while: Altavista :P
- Bamborzled, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The article wasn't notable. If you say the article on Zeitgeist: The movie was "censored", then why wasn't the article on Loose Change ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_%282007_film%29 ) "censored"?
Also see Wikipedia's notability guideline at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28films%29 -
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