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- shadus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+524hmnm... then I guess they don't want my business.
- barktwiggs, on 10/12/2007, -8/+471The ironic thing is, IE is one of the least standards adherant browsers out there. Most people support it solely because of marketshare, not because of standards compliance. If that were the case, everyone would test their sites in Opera and other browsers that pass the Acid Test.
- TomP, on 10/12/2007, -20/+254What about mac users we don't have IE :(
- KillerJ59J, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2417of7: You made my day, keep the stupid comments coming.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+210Wow 7of7, you're a retard if you think IE is 'the de-facto standard'.
The only reason it has 'market share' is because its forced down the users throat, and most users don't know other, better browsers exist.
The issue is how WALMART web staff coded the page. Not Firefox. Firefox 3 is ACID2 compliant and if it can't display the Walmart movie page right well who's fault is that? - laceration, on 10/12/2007, -11/+153***** videos from a ***** store on ***** browser. Don't give a *****.
- RG13, on 10/12/2007, -6/+102@bgbs
rong.
As a website designer, i can say that u constantly need to be reviewing your page in both FF and IE to make sure the CSS makes it look the same in both browsers (cuz for certain elements they react differently)
Obviously, whoever was designing the Walmart Page was stupid enough to look at it in IE without testing other browsers
A very very bad mistake
one that most designers know to avoid
apparently walmart cant hire competent designers - marsrover21, on 10/12/2007, -8/+103Yet another reason why Walmart's video downloads will never work. If you can't get tech people behind you on this, you'll never get the general public.
- rob3, on 10/12/2007, -6/+91@7of7
Internet Explorer has *NO* standard, that's the whole problem - klawz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+73@TomP
Change your user agent in Safari to IE6, then this site will work. Works for me. - CubexDE, on 10/12/2007, -2/+52Firefox 2 has better rendering than IE7.
Is this temporary? Maybe they did this until they fix the CSS bugs.
If this is permanent, no way in hell am I buying from them. - drakia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+45videodownloads@walmart.com
The email for customer support, if anyone wants to drop them a line ;) - texx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+46A huge part of the problem is Wal-Mart along with a buttload of other corporations think Microsoft is THE industry standard that every one else should follow.
BTW I think Fire Fox displays the page correctly and it is Explorer that has the problem. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+45Wal-Mart says no to anything that makes the least bit of sense.
- Tippis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+45@ brhb
"And btw, you firefox fanboys, works fine on Opera."
...it works fine in Opera *IF* you spoof your user agent to simulate MSIE. Set it to identify as Opera, and you have the same problem. Seeing as how it's insanely easy to spot Opera even when it claims to be something else, this fact just further shows the ineptitude of Wal-Mart. :D - Livewired, on 10/12/2007, -5/+41I've been on a "Boycott Wal-mart" kick for a few months now. They aren't doing anything to encourage me to renig. They probably don't miss my ~$150 per month or so, but it makes me feel better.
- slimc9999, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34Users Say No to Wal-Mart
- turbodigg, on 10/12/2007, -5/+35@ tomp
it probably doesn't work on mac, its probably PlaysForSure plagued. - Invid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31Some of you guys are dense. This is pure genius on the part of Walmart**.
Let me explain...
Who uses Firefox?
People who are technologically savvy enough to know that IE is a poor browser choice (standards adherence, security, etc.). Those technologically savvy people are going to look at Walmart's movies and see that they are offering DRM encumbered movie downloads that can't even be burned to DVD. We wouldn't buy the movies anyway! By not supporting Fx Walmart saves on bandwidth serving pages to customers that are unlikely to buy.
It's genius!
** I'm only partly kidding. - pixelmixer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31its not about having to use IETab... its about them not inherently supporting firefox. Who wants to use IETab in firefox when the biggest thing about firefox in general is that its more secure. IETab is like a half-step backward... a full step being a complete switch over to IE.
- twoschizos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27I wonder why they can make an error page that displays in all browsers. Come on Wal-Mart, making a decent website isn't that hard.
- JacNet, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29http://duggmirror.com/tech_news/Wal_Mart_Says_No_to_Firefox/
Here is the error page:
http://mediadownloads.walmart.com/mmce/jsp/ieonly.jsp - Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28Why dont people just complain to walmart through consumer service Im sure theres an email somewhere
- KillerJ59J, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25manifestdata: Maybe they are on Linux.. or wait... holy *****.. maybe they just don't want to use an insecure pos with crapped standards even if it is put in a new shell. Maybe we just don't want to send money to a company that is so ***** up that it will cut out 20%+ of it's potential users out. It's apparent they don't need our money, anyway. Oh darn, maybe we are just dumb.
- Fracture98, on 10/12/2007, -3/+261. Make movie service.
2. Alienate your entire target audience: Savvy internet users that may be interested in a download service (aka Those not using IE)
3. ...
4. Profit - DannySpace, on 10/12/2007, -10/+33^- "What about mac users we don't have IE :("
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Thank God! - 47knight, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24I don't think they dislike Firefox, their just too lazy/stupid to code their site to be compatible with all browsers.
Laziness FTW! - elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27Who cares? Don't go there any way.
- Tippis, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30Most reliable metrics point towards a 20-25% *overall* usage of FireFox... that includes *everyone.*
If they were to look at the kind of people who use these kinds of on-line services with any frequency, my (admittedly prejudiced) guess would be that they'd mostly turn out to be ye olde "tech savvy" crowd -- and among those, the FireFox usage is wa-a-a-y higher than 25%... - seanmc303, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25@bgbs,
If you design for something that is broken, you get broken. If I were a betting man, I would bet that M$ intentionally designs IE against the W3 standards just to ensure that people design for IE and nothing else. IE is losing massive ground in the web developer world because they are NOT standards compliant, and they have very ***** tools for web browser development. With superior extensions/tools for Firefox, Firefox is becoming the standard for web developers/designers. Name for me one tool that comes close to the quality and function of Firefox's Firebug extension for IE and I will STFU, but if you can't, STFU. - QurrUm, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29Haven't they realized that 5-25% (depending on who you ask) of people on the Internet use Firefox? That's a significant amount of money you're flushing down the toilet!
Then again, Walmart never did listen to the people. Oh well, back to Netflix for me! - austindkelly, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24IE tab only works if you have IE6 installed, so in my case (or any mac users case) it would not work.
- CatalystDM, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23hey look, another reason to boycott Wal-mart!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Fine with me. Wal-Mart and IE are needed as much as a hole in the head, so they make a good couple.
- etnu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Netscape (what Firefox is derived from) was around before IE When CSS2 was standardized (in 1998), Netscape had the largest market share by a huge margin. That was the same year that Microsoft started bundling IE with windows.
Microsoft was convicted of monopolistic practices for this. They attacked netscape using means deemed illegal by the department of justice in order to destroy their competition. Rather than compete fairly, they forced an inferior product down the throats of unsuspecting users. Once they achieved market dominance, they let their ***** browser stagnate.
Even Microsoft has admitted that their browser suffers in many ways when it comes to standards adherence, and have vowed to improve it. IE7 is actually a huge step up from IE6 in this department. The ONLY people who try to defend IE's crappy standards support are lazy, crappy web developers who shouldn't be employed, and Microsoft fan boys who apparently didn't get the memo.
By the way -- most of the standards actually were designed with the dominant browser (at the time) in mind. A few exceptions were made in places where the way that IE did it made more sense, but in general the goal was to make it so that the dominant browser was the one that had the least amount of changes necessary. - Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20http://www.walmart.com/cservice/cu_commentsonline.gsp?cu_heading=8
click the list and look for
7.report site problems and tell them that firefox does not work on that video site - cody50, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22would IE tab work?
- seanmc303, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18@roosterjm2k2,
IE may be the de facto browser, but that needs to change. By something or some practice being de facto does not necesarly mean it is good or ideal. Developing for IE is a horrible painful experience that I should wish upon no one. Web developers can help push people towards better browsers. People will eventually figure out that Firefox is not some kind of burning dog that terrorizes children. The official de facto is the W3 standards, which IE is far from adhering to. The de facto browser can and should change. - D1STORT, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21IE is possibly the greatest browser ever. Who doesn't adding lines like:
height: 32px;
_height; 28px;
*height: 28px;
to an otherwise clean stylesheet for every css property because IE uses a flawed box model. Oh, and who needs display: table anyway?? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17There are not plenty of bugs with Firefox it renders CSS BETTER than IE can. Same with Opera. The fact is that you have to know how to do CSS before it will work correctly.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Down with walmart.
- klawz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15did you even bother to read the comments above?
- Tracon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20This just in Wal-Mart says no to profit's.
- Fracture98, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15@brewno
That's what I put... guess it doesn't work in your browser ;-) - Stirk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Digg this down
- HHP2K, on 10/12/2007, -14/+28Of course Wal-Mart would shut out Firefox. It's not from a gigantic corporation like itself. Supporting the people and not the big corporations?! Abominating!
- arkmtech, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15E-mail sent to Wal-Mart's corporate sector this morning:
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This morning I located a severe & very serious issue with Wal-Mart's website that presents a potential online security threat to Wal-Mart and the well-being of it's customers at this following URL:
http://www.walmart.com/videodownloads
Error reads as follows: "Our website requires the browser Internet Explorer version 6 or higher." It further goes to suggest "Click here to get Internet Explorer for free from Microsoft."
I believe this to be a "prank" by a malicious hacker who has infiltrated Wal-Mart's website and is attempting to get unsuspecting people to download and use a highly-insecure browsing platform that exponentially increases their risk of exposure to malware/viruses, as well as identity theft/fraud.
Wal-Mart may wish to investigate this matter immediately in the best interests of all concerned - Thank you for all of your time & consideration. - RG13, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15It is painful
but not nearly as painful as losing 25% of your audience
And with the right tools (ex: IE tab for firefox) its not that bad
And when i was designing my website, i found that i had to make changes in my CSS because IE was making it look crappy, not FF - elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18At least you're doing something, unlike all of these other hypocrites.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13In Firefox you can click Help - Report Broken Web Site and report them to the mozilla police
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