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- SillyDigger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+84I guess you're screwed if you really forget your password.
- aservin, on 10/10/2007, -2/+60I think I will move my precious, hidden and encrypted files out the UK.
Anyway, how they can prove that you have something encrypted and it is not just files with random rubbish? - mattus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+55Disturbing, but powerless against plausible deniability. This is why applications such as TrueCrypt give the option to create a 'hidden' container inside a standard encrypted container, the presence of which is impossible to detect. Fill the standard container with data that looks 'secret' and the attacker will be none the wiser, even with the keys.
- godofpumpkins, on 10/10/2007, -1/+50If you're dumb and put them into standard encrypted containers whose programs ask you for passwords, that might give it away. It's worrying because you can be "framed" very easily if someone just trojans your computer and puts random encrypted files around the place. You can say you've never seen them before, but that's what the guilty guy would say too, right? Bleh
- fwedwic, on 10/10/2007, -6/+53inch by inch. V for Vendetta..
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -8/+49Next stop: America
- jihadjohnson, on 10/10/2007, -1/+42Time to start using Hidden True Crypt Volumes, www.truecrypt.org
- punjester, on 10/10/2007, -1/+41Privacy. Oh Wait..... not anymore
- Trocisp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+33"But officer, I forgot the password to my porn .rar!"
- osullibhean, on 10/10/2007, -0/+28The government seem to care about a whole bunch of things that are none of their business, and they fail miserably when it comes to doing something about the things that matter, for instance the violent crime that needs no computers, let alone encryption or decryption.
- gcnaddict, on 10/10/2007, -1/+28TrueCrypt hidden volumes. Create the primary volume. Write some rubbish to the primary volume (stuff you moderately but don't seriously care about), Insert hidden volume into remainder of free space. Write more important stuff into the hidden volume. Burn to DVD and wipe the original using a 7 stage wipe.
Plausible deniability for the win :) - muppetFuckr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+26I know the constitution doesn't mean much anymore, but the 5th amendment(The one about not incriminating yourself) is specifically against this. So even if there was a law a person could just plead the 5th to avoid giving away the keys.
- mattus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+24It's impossible to tell whether a volume contains a hidden volume or not. It's indistinguishable from random data, and any attempt to modify the data inside the standard container will probably destroy the hidden volume.
- DontGiveADamn, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23Not a problem. Use TrueCrypt which has "plausible deniability". You can give your password and it will only reveal a portion of the encrypted volume.
http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=plausible-deniabi ... - VernonLloyd, on 10/10/2007, -3/+25Lets pretend
Lets see, I own say a 2 GB data stick and because my DNA is on file (due to dropping a fag end on the floor) they arrest me because I say something like Blair was a monkey and George Bush was the Organ Grinder. As true as that statement might be I am obviously a terrorist talking like that NOT!
Now they want the data off my Data Stick, for which I refuse as it contains highly personal stuff (like bank statements and other ID related stuff). One of three things will happen:
I get thrown in jail for refusing to type my password for them to view my data
I get Thrown in Jail because they think I am a terrorist
They empty a round into my head (I am wearing a bulky jacket)
Wait one minute I thought I could say no due to my Human Rights...... of course WHAT HUMAN RIGHTS.....I need to break the law first! - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23If i lived in the UK i would encrypt goatse and then give them my private key :)
- FreakTrap, on 10/10/2007, -1/+21RE noahhoward:
Guilty until proven innocent, eh? - pintomp3, on 10/10/2007, -1/+21a little waterboarding will refresh your memory /s
- BuzzFriendly, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20Well if un-encrypting the data will land you in jail for 20 years it would be best to just not give them the password and take the 5 years. Wonder when Bush & Co will bring it across the pond.
- w3bsmith, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18This makes me want to encrypt as much spam (or something as equally valueless and pointless) as I can find, and refuse the keys to them, just to spite them. Just wait until they spend x amount of dollars getting it decrypted just to see offers for penis growth ...
- darkcooger, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17"If you do something to warrant a criminal investigation then you tossed away your rights."
Wow. Just wow. Being investigated for a crime does not make one guilty of said crime. By your reasoning, suspicion alone is enough reason to put people in prison. Friend it's a mindset like this that's allowed us to get into so much trouble in the first place. - fuzzmeister, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16For example: put your credit card numbers, passwords, etc in the non-hidden volume, and the viruses you're working on in the hidden volume.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15Get drunk in the street and smash some car windows. You'll get all the human rights you ever need then. The only people who have no rights are the innocent in Britain.
- keyme, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17And what if you encrypted some random stuff and *really* forgot the password?
You won't be able to prove that it was nothing even if you wanted to... Then you''ll be thrown to jail for forgetting a sequence of 8 bytes.
This one is really F'd up my friends. - schroeder, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17I just use Truecrypt to encrypt a whole partition or drive. That way the drive/partition just looks corrupted. Then you can say you tried to install linux and ***** it all up :P
- jcaino, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15pictures of my *****. some have likened it to a wmd.
- chris9902, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15"The law can only be applied to data residing in the UK, hosted on UK servers, or stored on devices located within the UK. "
Well that's a lot of good isn't it. I doubt anyone is going to want to use UK businesses any more. These laws are just waiting to be abused. - mrdeathgod, on 10/10/2007, -8/+21Two words: ***** YOU
- zengonzo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13robert, did you even skim through godofpumpkins' comment?
If someone were to dump random encrypted files on your computer, and you honestly don't have the key to them, what could you do? - cptchaos, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12hey give himn a break guys. noahhoward has only text files on his computer. there is not a single binary file on it. hes got text-os. its super-uber-mega-geeky. and the dream of all investigators!
- zabouth, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11My TrueCrypt image has the one file name on one will ever use WindowsMe.iso
- gutbobs, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Great plan! Except for the bit where they stick you in jail until you remember the key...
- sjl127, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13Forget your password, torture will be legal for this soon.
- darkcooger, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11You don't get it, do you? People don't want privacy because they have something to hide. They want privacy because their lives are nobody else's business, especially not the government's.
- EuphopiaB, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Sure, from back when I was testing my random hash generation program.
- vidar808, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10I love you TrueCrypt.
- fuzzmeister, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9That defeats the entire purpose. An empty encrypted volume raises suspicions that something is being hidden...
- HenvY, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Don't be silly, you don't need to be wearing a bulky jacket. De menezes wasn't! Just be a bit foreign looking.
- LuciferChaos, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9FTA: "New laws going into effect today in the United Kingdom... While RIPA was originally passed in 2000, the provisions detailing the handover of cryptographic keys and/or the force decryption of protected content has not been tapped by the UK Home Office—the division of the British government which oversees national security, the justice system, immigration, and the police forces of England and Wales. As we reported last year, the Home Office was slowly building its case to activate Part 3, Section 49."
- glinsvad, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Innocent untill proven otherwise... I hope this still applies in the UK.
- Matt2k, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8The UK should get a 5th too. I think we have a couple amendments lying around that we're not using they can borrow.
- msgyrd, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9They aren't stupid, they know if you're using truecrypt you probably have a hidden volume, they just have no way of proving it.
- philovivero, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10This is messed in several ways. As another poster pointed out, someone (even the police) could put encrypted files on your computer. Now you go to jail. There's no way to prove those aren't your files, but you don't know the password, and you know nothing about them.
This whole "go to jail, then we find out if you're innocent" thing is disturbing. I don't understand why the entirety of western civilisation is running hard toward fascism again. I thought we already determined that Mussolini and Hitler and their whole method of governing didn't work.
I know, "don't mention nazis on an internet forum," but at some point, the comparisons become valid. Leaving aside the whole "killing a race of people" bit, there are a lot of similarities. - Dokument, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11all hail drivecrypt
- prisoner24601, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8The notion that "we will catch certain evil people" by destroying personal liberty is truly disturbing. The same could be true of suspending the 5th amendment. Compelling people to testify against themselves and justifying it by saying "if you have nothing to hide you won't have a problem with it" is just scary.
Your comment will be buried by people (of all ages) concerned about personal liberty in principle. Your statement that "If you do something to warrant a criminal investigation then you tossed away your rights" would make the American founding fathers roll over in their grave. - ghm101, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7encryption done correctly is just randomness to any observer, trained or not.
It happens at a fundamental level of mathematical randomness
If done right,as trueCrypt seems to be, it would only be given away by not having enough "reasonable" stuff for investigators to find in the standard encrypted container. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Everyone needs a fifth with the way this country is headed. Invest in alcohol today.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Well there is the page file. It's a large file of pretty much indecipherable characters.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Government is incompetent. That's reason enough to keep them on a short leash.
This country is arse backwards. The government should always be accountable to the population and the population should have protected privacy, not the flipping other way around.
Also terrorism is the most overrated threat since the anti-christ. - GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6If the false positive rate for warranted criminal investigation was not so high then you'd have a point. The state is quite simply incompetent. Giving them more power is not a good thing.
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