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- keegster, on 10/12/2007, -29/+121I hope this doesn't mean the site will degrade in quality - tomshardware is one of those few sites you can get valid, unbiased information and reviews about products.
- Tezdoll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+64so i wonder who bought it....amd or intel? ;)
- Kodiak41226, on 10/12/2007, -5/+527 years ago I would visit Tom's everyday. Now, I visit twice a year at best. They have been sliding for a long time now. Once the site went from good reviews and how-to's to I can't tell what is a review and what is advertising; I was done.
- BassCadet, on 10/12/2007, -4/+47The Internet is littered with once-great tech sites that have fallen for various reasons. Tom's Hardware was a mecca for early PC enthusiasts who wanted the straight skinny on which components were the best. Then it just got bloated with ads, dividing 2 page reviews into 12 page reviews to create more adspace. Anandtech is another such site. It simply imploded under the burden of ads (and the ego of Anand himself). Once again I've had to migrate to new areas and currently I'm putting up camp at xtremesystems.org and hardocp.com. It seems that the best tech sites are those that attract the best forum regulars. It is easier to have other people dig up and find the best parts for me (by talking about them) than it is to click Next Page Next Page Next Page at Tom's or Anandtech.
- Illidan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+46Kindof. I've always respected them for not jumping on bandwagons - they've been one of the best tech sites that way, their massive guides (CPU, vid, hard drive) are unrivaled. However, despite the still-great production quality, I feel like some of their latest stuff is overproduced, even forced; at a certain level, the meat's taken out of it - as an example, see the point-counterpoint series. Nevertheless, I wish good luck to one of the most professional sites in the online tech web industry.
- Haohmaru, on 10/12/2007, -9/+46It already has degraded in quality. I used to visit them daily, but now I can barely manage to swim through the sea of poorly placed ads. I only visit when I'm looking into upgrading my computer.
They don't even do April Fools day jokes anymore.
Maybe the cash will help improve the layout and content. - SavageBlackCat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+40Bah - Tom sold out a long time ago.
- longboarder543, on 10/12/2007, -0/+36From the Tom's Hardware announcement article:
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Thank you. - getrealnow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32You can buy a lot of Hardware with $15-20 Million eh?
- radio1mike, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29Good for them, that they can cash out.
But frankly, the only use I've had for Tom's in the past 2 years has been their interactive VGA charts. I stopped reading when AMD started to pull ahead of Intel with CPU performance several years back. Their conclusions always came out for Intel, even if the empirical data did not. That was it for me.
Guess, I'll have to stick with HardOCP, too. - Alfdog, on 10/12/2007, -15/+37I'm sorry, but I think Tom's has been par at best for a long time now. I was sad when sharkyextreme got bought out, now Anandtech is slowly going downhill, as you never actually hear from Anand any more. HardOCP is probably the last great tech site of a dying generation.
- Nadare, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20I don't even know where to start with Toms.
So many things wrong with it today.
The page layout - it sucks. Yes I understand its a business, but having that many ads everywhere it drives me away from the site, also why stretch out reviews to like 20+ pages. 2 paragraphs and 3 pictures is not enough for a page.
Those awefull advertisement reviews, this just hurts your reputation or whats left of it.
All those satellite sites, no one goes to them directly, they're all incoming from the main site.
Quality over quantity, we don't need to have a new article or two everyday, which goes into write better articles/reviews, go in depth more about technical things.
Lastly keep things relevant, sometimes I see a rant post (ie "Who designed this crap?") sandwiched between two reviews,when I visit the site, I want to read about hardware/software that sort of thing, not some inane post about what irks the writer. - MalDON, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Vista is not hardware buddy
- TechCF, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Toms-'bought-by-intel-and-hates-amd'-hardware has never been any good for me. Anand, Ars and [H] is great though. I hope Ars have bought them to hire the good writers and kick the rest. Sites who give 6/6 to anything as long as they get a $10k worth of hardware doesn't deserve to live
- scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19"All hail the Pentium 4! With its high clock speeds, a wide selection of compatible platforms and a dearth of rival AMD models, Intel has successfully defended its title as the champion in the processor business."
http://tomshardware.co.uk/2002/09/03/battling_brothers/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Not only that, but you can buy Tom's personal Hardware!!
- Thex1138, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Geez I thought it would have been worth more than that...they've been around for a long time now...yeah they've been a bit in decline but still have some good generic content..
- dafragsta, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18In terms of longevity, (or in Web 2.0 jargon, the "long tail") Tom's Hardware is one of the oldest active sites on the intarwebs. That price seems kind of low just on name recognition alone.
- Maarek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10They did not have an "Intel" bias. They had a "whoever will pay us for reviews" bias. I worked for a company that had products reviewed on that site (without any payments) and was involved in PR. One thing that kept coming up was that you could improve your review by purchasing ads or being involved with the site in other ways. Since hearing that I began to completely disregard Toms' Hardware.
- SavageBlackCat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@TechCF
[H] blows. Klye got busted photochopping results, claimed it was an accident and locked his forums for a while. - chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7lets hope he can stop using that hammer.
when was the last time you used a hammer to build a computer? - yournamehere, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12i'm with you. their obvious biased towards intel was terrible
- dogred, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Choosing from the two, Intel.
The last time I went to Tom's Hardware was back in the PIII/TBird days. Intel was the angels and AMD was the devil. Intel could do no wrong...according to Tom - Charlotte_Web, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Alexa shows that traffic to Tom's Hardware has been dropping precipitously over the last year:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=tomshardware.com&url=tomshardware.com
In fact, they were about to hit a five year low, although I'm sure they are getting a temporary boost right now because of this story. - ChuckIT, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8this site is one of those sites hardware enthusiast get their starts, at least i know i did. if it wasn't for this site my intrest in hardware wouldn't have been peaked.
good job tom's, i hope they keep the same folks that run the site and reviews. - culbeda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"I hope this doesn't mean the site will degrade in quality - tomshardware is one of those few sites you can get valid, unbiased information and reviews about products."
I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks Tom's Hardware is good today doesn't remember back when Tom actually did the reviews. (And before a series of questionable reviews and conflicts of interest related to advertising.) - WilliamDecker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I don't know about the credability of the site, but will the articles be more long winded then a Tolkien book?
Don't get me wrong...they have some great stuff at the site, but it's definitely not some play I go to get to the point on any given piece of hardware. If I want the history of a southbridge chipset I hit up Tom's! :P - Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"The long tail"? WTF does the fact that most sites are small and insignificant have to do with Toms Hardware, which is a big site, or with Toms Hardwares longevity, considering it's already also an old site?
- EochaidRiata, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"click Next Page Next Page Next Page at Tom's or Anandtech."
At Anandtech you can click the "Print this article" link at the bottom of every article to view it in a single page. - Monsterchef, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I met Tom about 10 years ago when I owned a large mail order computer company. I advertised on his site and met him in person a few times. All I can say is Tom is a total jerk. He is full of himself and simply got lucky with his site at a time when there were only a few like his on the Internet. I remember talking to him way back when about his plans and future of the site and all I heard was I am the best, nobody can touch me, the other sites will go down etc.. This is my first comment on Digg and just had to say what I know about this guy. On the other hand Anand from anandtech who I also did business with years ago is a super nice person who really cares about what he does and does not pawn off all of the work to others.
Just my 2 cents. - Mindflux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@keegster
Maybe 8 years ago that was true. - twylight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3No matter how you feel about it - 20m is a steal in todays age of buying a name brand...on teh web - tom's hardware is a name brand.
Anyways kudos to the founders and their payday - hopefully they can clean up the add mess its turned into - its really hard to surf and find info.
I just use their forums to find out glaring problems in purchases I am considering and the occasional article. - Squidly, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Tom: Ding!
Me: Gratz - RAEP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Probably ZD
- BurntToast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Geeze, cry a little more?
Usually most American-based companies avoid doing contests and sweepstakes that span multiple countries... legal issues involved. Blame your country's government for that.
QQ. - jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@Charlotte
Oh common, Alexa? This is a tech site we are talking about, its highly unlikely that many tech enthusiasts/professionals are running alexa. Its far more likely that over the last five years people have become more careful about what toolbars they run and Alexa hasn't made the cut. - GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That TH was sold, it is bound to get worse actually. Someone actually gave them money for the site. The domain name was worth a decent amount, but the revenue model is ad driven so don't expect the ads to go away.
- JaaX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I've always chosen Anandtech over Tom's Hardware. I think 15m is way too much.
- DeFex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3their site used to be ok, but now there are so many ads and other uglification on their that i do not bother.
- mbeast, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9The long tail does not mean a site has longevity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Tail - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Doesn't it do that already?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4At least the bias now has the data to back it up somewhat, even if the guys writing the reviews never actually seemed to look at the data.
- rheaume, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4
"Maybe the cash will help improve the layout and content."
Yeah I know if I owned it, it would improve *my* layout and content:
'Layout': On a beach away from all this stupid bs
'Content': THC and beer - nonymous666, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"Ever since that heatsink fiasco, I've never visited Tom's again."
That sounds like something my dad would say. "I bought a Ford in '63 and it threw a piston rod a month later. I'll never buy a Ford ever again! They're all crap!!" - Charlotte_Web, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@jer2eydevil88:
"Oh common, Alexa? This is a tech site we are talking about, its highly unlikely that many tech enthusiasts/professionals are running alexa."
Which is precisely why I didn't talk about Alexa's actual traffic numbers, only their traffic percentages. I don't use Alexa, and don't know of anyone who does use Alexa, therefore their numbers probably only represent a small fraction of actual visitors.
However, you don't need to sample anywhere near 100% to gather statistical data to measure trends. Even as a small fraction, the trends of Alexa users who go to the site is probably very reliable. Among that subset of visitors to Tom's, they have been frequenting the site less and less, and it's fair to say that the movement among Alexa users is probably indicative of traffic trends as a whole. - GoatMonkey2112, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Actually, I use a hammer to knock out the little shield in the case around the connectors. I hate those things.
- nonymous666, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"not hardware Buddy"
Toms has done several Vista articles. - ScottMaximus1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Anand... is that you?
- livejamie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2how very undisclosed
- masteryoda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Feels too less when compared to other vaulations. TG is a money spinner.
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