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- gregdogum, on 10/11/2007, -18/+207Let me guess... it's 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0?
- lieutenantmudd, on 10/11/2007, -2/+104One-time pad systems used correctly are theoretically unbreakable.
But most "unbreakable" computer passwords should be called "absurdly long time to break" passwords. - Zippo, on 10/11/2007, -9/+103Yes... "unbreakable". Just like all those other encryption methods that have never been cracked, like WEP, DVD, HD-DVD... and just like the Titanic was "unsinkable".
- Lane, on 10/11/2007, -4/+94ill give everyone a hint the password is "password"
- synned, on 10/11/2007, -6/+81No password is uncrackable....
- noamsml, on 10/11/2007, -3/+71While this is all nice and dandy, I want to point out that a security system is only as secure as its weakest like, which in this case is the host computer itself.
- xxNIRVANAxx, on 10/11/2007, -2/+54The password is Pi
- yourmightyruler, on 10/11/2007, -1/+47Instead of a TiVo, why not just get bittorrent everything?
- Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -2/+47This is genius. See, you patent the unbreakable password, and when someone cracks it, you get to make up another system without re-filing, as the broken version OBVIOUSLY wasn't the one you patented...
- lostmongoose, on 10/11/2007, -10/+50@Zippo
DVD and HD-DVD are not encryption methods. They're storage medium. - BenO169, on 10/11/2007, -1/+38http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=tivo.ASNM.&OS=AN/tivo&RS=AN/tivo
Link to the actual patent. - swazo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+39Yeah but the intertubes have bigger meaner nerds than the nerds at TiVO.
- razrielle, on 10/11/2007, -3/+33I remember when they said that about HDDVD and Bluray
Wasn't Bluray cracked by someone who didnt even have a Bluray drive? - johnlandes, on 10/11/2007, -3/+33gee, thanks for posting my password, asshat!
Now I'll have to change it back to 12345 - positron, on 10/11/2007, -0/+25OK, somebody with the expertise needs to setup a "cracking@home" program for this crap if/when it's implemented. It may be nigh-impossible for a single person to break the encryption within the lifetime of a standard HDD, but what about thousands or even millions working cooperatively?
- InfiniteNothing, on 10/11/2007, -6/+28And nothing can be unbreakable because there's always the chance that you could guess right on the first try
- Mipit, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21Or you can just look over someones shoulder and remember it.
- thermus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20Imagine the licensing possibilities!
- MasterThief117, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20I will give it a few weeks...
- Timmmm, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17What jgtg is trying (badly) to say, is that with a one time pad, even if you guess the correct key/message, you have absolutely no way of knowing if it is correct. So it is in fact theoretically, and practically (if used correctly) completely unbreakable.
- parsap, on 10/11/2007, -2/+18"to create something random it has to have conscience."
What the ***** are you talking about? - D4r7h3v1l, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17That's the same password I have on my luggage!
- LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/11/2008, -2/+18Countdown to the crack begins now...5...4...3...
- Yonson, on 10/11/2007, -5/+20The one-time-pad isn't really unbreakable, it's just considered so because the chances of guessing the key are the same as the chances of guessing the encrypted information. Every encryption system is susceptible to brute force.
- pnmoore, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15OK, so this involves "random challenges by the disk drive". If truly random then the odds that anyone or anything will hit the correct response in order to access the drive is virtually nil. Unfortunately, if TRULY random then even people or things you want to access the drive would have the same issue. D'oh!
So it also mentions an algorithm that is used to generate the responses. Well, if this is the case it is not truly random, which means it will work and may be hard to crack. The funny thing is that "attempts to break the code and choose the correct password take longer to learn than the useful life of the disk drive itself" may in fact be true, BUT that is if you are using brute force type attacks. Somebody (sooner or later) will figure out that algorithm and BAM, you don't have to guess the password. Most likely this will be some grad students somewhere trying to get their PhD in cryptography or something.
Same exact situation happened years ago with GSM phones. I worked in the wireless industry then and in training was told that their security was "unbreakable". I argued with the instructor that nothing is unbreakable, but he insisted. Two weeks after our training some grad students at Cal Berkeley (if I remember the school correctly, and think I do) broke it.
The bottom line is if something is designed to be accessed in some way, then there is going to be a way to crack that security. The only way to make it truly unbreakable is to make it so random that NOTHING can break it...even things or people that are supposed to be able to. If it isn't someone cracking an algorithm it will be some idiot leaving the password in a file on their PC or taped to their monitor. The weak point, as mentioned in a previous post, is not really as much the machine as it is the user. - catfarmer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15It can survive a car crash, train crash, never take a day off of work, but if you drop it in the pool, then it's done for.
- KillerJ59J, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15Maybe it's a 1024-bit encryption key?
- combatpilotx, on 10/11/2007, -5/+18just because a password is "theoretically unbreakable" doesn't mean someone will guess it right on the first try ;)
- Kyderdog, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1312345?
- afx1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15i gotta change mine back to blink182
- noamsml, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14Actually, AACS is even less feasible theoretically than it is practically. It's only a petty obfuscation and nothing more.
- Bamborzled, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16@Zippo
WEP was designed poorly from the start; it was inherently insecure. - Zippo, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14@lostmongoose
Yes, I'm aware of that. My apologies for not using a more obscure and less-known acronym. :P People know what I was talking about.
@Bamborzled
I know that. However I imagine the encryption's designers thought it was great when they first created it. - rohanch, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13The first decryption code was written by someone who didn't have Blu-ray (it's basically the same as the HD DVD one -- they both use AACS).
However the decryption keys needed for the program to work and actually "crack" the protection on each disk and decrypt the contents were found the same way as with HD DVD -- by people playing the disc in authorised programs and then searching for keys in memory. - Philodox, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10is it kitty?
- xXShadowstormXx, on 10/11/2007, -6/+15Another reason not to get a Series 3 TiVo.
If I buy a TiVo, I want the data on that internal HDD to be MINE, and mine only. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8If you already have a full proof way of transferring the one-time pad chart to the trusted receiving end or storing it in a safe place without any risks of it falling into the wrong hands, then you would not need encryption in the first place. So, no, one-time pad is not the ultimate uncrackable solution either.
- DigitalJester, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Unbreakable? They wish. Correction, they hope.
- specialK16, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9@jgt:
Buried for being such and *****. - Sarevok9, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Yay, no more brute force....
up with the rise of social engineering. - aeiou, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6@zippo-
Thats because the actual encyrption in WEP is acutally quite good. The reason WEP is so easy to crack has to do with how it sends the keys over the air. WPA can actually use the same encyption algorithm as WEP and be much more secure. - lowerlogic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5time to change your name to gotsk3wled
- razrielle, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5man, you think of some sick things, you should see someone about that
- binaryspiral, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Those are called "One Time Passwords" and are so secure RSA claims that it hasn't been cracked in 15 years of use.
I can imagine any system that changes its password every 30 - 60 seconds would be difficult to break into. - Radan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5The thing is, you can't make something unbreakable without locking out the actual user itself. As long as someone has permission to access it, there is a possibility that someone else will be able to do it too, even if it has to go down the human error. However, the difficulty of doing that is another story.
- tzarak, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4"Unbreakable password" code revealed:
if True:
print 'Invalid Password!' - Twango, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"Unbreakable." That sounds like a theory, and a challenge.
At the point info has been decoded and is piped somewhere else, it's a sitting duck. - faskill, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5remember that one time the guy that invented PGP was threatened by the us government for creating uncrackable encryption software? and that the software he created is illegal to download unless you reside legally in the united states? where's big brother on this one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy - mozingeaux, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3One should never call their password "unbreakable".
- DrawingTheSun, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3ok, what if i read the data from the hard disk platters directly, and then moved the data to another harddisk so that it'll survive the age of the harddisk;
what i am saying is that its possbile to read data (encrpted or not) from the harddrive (direclty) this then will remove the notion that the data will die when the harddrive would.
i can take the encrypted data and keep on trying to crack it forever (just move it to another hard disk) -
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