What is Digg?147 Comments
- commernie, on 11/12/2007, -2/+84FTFA: "Some people might wonder why ISPs throttle their connection. The argument most often used is that all the BitTorrent traffic on their network slows down other customers’ connections"
As mentioned in the previous post, this is *****. If I pay for 8Mbps, then I should be entitled to 8Mbps. Why does it matter if I use the speed for HTTP or BitTorrent or VoIP or whichever other protocol? I think it's pretty obvious that the ISPs are under pressure from the recording and movie industries to limit BitTorrent traffic. - ktetch, on 11/12/2007, -1/+38Actually, 'fair use' is a BIG misnomer. You are paying for a speed, therefore you're legally entitled to it. The so-called 'fair use' is not fair, its deceptive selling practices.
- spyd3rweb, on 11/12/2007, -1/+31God forbid people actually be allowed to use 100% of the bandwidth they pay for. Just browsing the web you ain't gonna come close.
shameless plug: If you want an ISP with no bull, no pppoe, no limits, no port blockings, and ability to run servers, get Speakeasy DSL. - kevin.gc, on 11/08/2007, -0/+26The first ISP to advertise Bittorrent optimization is going to own the Internet.
- commernie, on 11/12/2007, -1/+23If they offer 1000 people X Mbps, then shouldn't they have the capacity to do 1000X Mbps at all times? If I want to hog my X Mbps 24/7 like a "madman", that's my business. I'm paying for it, why shouldn't I use it?
- frsrblch, on 11/08/2007, -1/+21"Shaw and Rogers ... Bell Sympatico, Cogeco, Eastlink and Explornet"
Telus, the only ISP around that doesn't throttle.
If ISPs don't like people using the bandwidth they've paid for, then they should stop offering so much of it. If I couldn't use BitTorrent, I'd be certain to waste as much bandwidth as I can anyway, just out of spite. - kindrobot, on 11/07/2007, -0/+19Bittorrent is not stealing, it's downloading/uploading. I personally know two artists who released material to bittorrent this week, Creative Commons licensed. If I download them, am I stealing? I don't download movies, stick to non-riaa music and I'm still a thief? You know what? You're smart and a truth teller. How does it feel to be called something you're not?
- Audacitor, on 11/12/2007, -1/+19If my ISP did that, I'd be fine with it. I'm all for everyone getting equal bandwidth. But when they throttle it just for the sake of throttling it, especially when they didn't tell me they would, I get mad.
- Xondar, on 11/07/2007, -0/+15Damn. The $9 they won't get for their multi-million dollar salaries is sure gonna leave them without food.
Movie theatre ticket sales and DVD sales are at record highs. P2P is not taking money away from anyone. - evhan, on 11/12/2007, -1/+16As ktetch said, you're paying for a connection speed. It doesn't matter how often you're using that connection to its maximum, as long as you're remaining within the speed parameters set by your service provider. Unless these companies come out and state to their customers that they will incur a penalty on those using bittorrent just because it's bittorrent, they can't do it. So yes, for the most part, this practice is bull *****.
- tuxidomasx, on 11/11/2007, -0/+14well thats where you and I differ-- i dont pay for something if it's *****
- srg13, on 11/12/2007, -0/+13If you paid for all those four lanes, then yes, you should be able to use all of them, like I should be able to use all the bandwidth I pay for.
- tuxidomasx, on 11/07/2007, -0/+12i'm not lazy. i'm efficient.
- Stalks, on 11/07/2007, -0/+11In the UK I use an ISP called Entanet. They are the most transparent ISP I have come across.
Their status page, http://noc.enta.net shows a detailed overview of each DSL pipe, along with a graph of usage showing their current bandwidth limit. They have upgraded their capacity 4 times in the short time I have been with them.
If my connection is not hitting its usual non-peak limit, I can check the NOC site above and see immediately if its because the pipe I'm on is busy, reconnect the PPP session and move myself to a less used pipe at the time.
I use the reseller UKFSN (Enta don't sell direct to consumers) who are a supporter of free software, http://www.ukfsn.org - codmate, on 11/07/2007, -0/+11Stop talking ***** man.
I use BT fo legit purposes all the time - downloading game demos, Linux ISOs etc etc.
No type of net traffic should be descriminated against. I pay for my connection - I should be able to use it to its fullest extent! - Norsted, on 11/07/2007, -0/+10I read somewhere..can't remember if it was here.. but that ThePirateBay folks were working on an alternative to Torrents. So yes they may succeed in killing Torrent traffic legal as well as illegal, but they won't kill P2P transfers for sure.
- stevedclarke, on 11/07/2007, -1/+11Don't know about you happyapples, but *my* local theatre doesn't show linux ISOs...
- Cyberbladewolf, on 11/12/2007, -3/+13So if someone uses Bittorrent it means they're a pirate? So those distributing Linux distros, low budget films they produced, and anime not available in most countries are heartless criminal bastards for using Bittorrent? frsrbich makes a good point, the consumer payed for the bandwidth and should be able to use it. Otherwise it's incredibly misleading.
- badjohnbad, on 11/07/2007, -0/+9It's called a free market economy, people evidently don't believe that paying $9 to see a crappy movie is worth it. I download music and films, I also buy music and DVDs and go to the cinema, so it's not like I don't give anything back, if anything the internet has helped expand my tastes in music past the rubbish that's vomitted into the charts every week. The technology is here now, it's here to stay and you and the super rich, greedy record/movie execs that you love so much are going to have to find better, fairer ways of marketing media to a consumer that's sick of feeling like it's getting raped with no lube. That'll involve working with new technology instead of against it.
- SiNN4R, on 11/07/2007, -0/+9That's why I think people should come up with more bandwidth heavy applications that will require p2p type networking. Imagine a new web network of p2p websites or Open source MMO games that use P2P to account for the massive bandwidth due to the large amount of players. I think the better alternative is to make p2p a more ubiquitous and more legitimate form of bandwidth usage making it harder for ISPs to justify shutting it down or throttling it.
- Xondar, on 11/12/2007, -0/+8I pay for a 10 Mbps internet connection, they are not giving me what I'm paying for if I don't get 10 Mbps.
And I'm pretty sure Google has the disk space for everyone to use 2 Gigs. - codmate, on 11/07/2007, -1/+9If you want a pair of shoes that don't leak, buy a super expensive pair of industrial strength workman's boots?
***** buddy - if I pay for 4Mb I want 4Mb 24/7 365. - MacSuxWindozSux, on 11/08/2007, -0/+8@Previous responses
Everyone knows that ISP's are offering bandwidth that they don't really have. Expecting the rated speed for everyone is unrealistic.
This isn''t the issue.
The issue is, you're paying for something you aren't getting. Either they should lower their guarantee on bandwidth you get, or actually offer more to better live up to their guarantees. - GMorgan, on 11/07/2007, -0/+8They signed a contract. They are obliged to fulfil it. It's only in this retarded legal climate where contracts are only legally binding if you are a person and not at all if you are a company.
- frsrblch, on 11/07/2007, -0/+7Some have started blocking encrypted traffic too...
- shavenlunatic, on 11/12/2007, -0/+7you ***** idiot. Going on the assumption that everyone using bit torrent is stealing is just stupid. I use linux and regularly download and try various distros.. I try to use torrents to get them rather than downloading directly from their servers but they are getting slower and slower.
To group P2P as stealing is blinkered and just plain ***** stupid.. now shut the fck up while I download the Hellgate:London and the new episode of Heroes! - Giga, on 11/07/2007, -1/+8Stealing? No. Copyright infringement? Yes. It is illegal, but it is not the same as stealing.
- Blacula, on 11/07/2007, -1/+8And that only makes sense for cable, where your usage affects other people. On DSL, no matter how much you use, it's not slowing anyone else down.
- DestroyFascism, on 11/07/2007, -0/+7If you pay for a car you should receive a car and not public transport...
- nicerobot, on 11/07/2007, -0/+7World of Warcraft's patch downloader uses bittorrent to download the patches.
- kindrobot, on 11/07/2007, -0/+7Sometimes, it's not even that.
- sabach, on 11/07/2007, -0/+6Obligatory SHHHHH!!!
- benitojuarez, on 11/07/2007, -1/+7Its not just bittorent, They are for sure killing Irc transfers for me. Ill send a file and it will be sending at 40-70kbps for a variable amount of time then it will drop down to .5 kbps then to 0, then the send will fail. Then the next 5-8 resend attempts will fail as well and after that the file will resume sending and the process will repeat itself. Ive had this problem with multiple people and seeing as it only started happening last week and I havent made any changes to my hardware or software configuration......
- luchid, on 11/08/2007, -0/+6Encryption doesn't help now...
- codmate, on 11/07/2007, -0/+6Here's a radical idea!
Offer a range of services - make the high bandwidth services more expensive so that you can pay for the extra infrastructure. If you can't fulfill your obligation on the service you offer, for the money your offering it at, up the price or don't offer the service.
If I couldn't make a whole cake I wouldn't offer people cake and then just give them a slice. - durzagott, on 11/07/2007, -0/+6I'm with Be Broadband in the UK.
No throttling, unlimited downloads, advertised as 24 Meg broadband (I actually get 1.3Mbps Up and 7 Mbps down) - all for £18/mo - spider418, on 11/07/2007, -0/+6Not sure if that's the best business model. It's like advertising an all you can eat buffet at a fat camp. The truth is you need some skinny dudes.
- Blacula, on 11/07/2007, -0/+6Comments like this actually assume we have the ability to go to a movie theater and see the movie. I've pirated 10 different movies this year, because they weren't shown on my continent. Anywhere, at all. And they weren't released on R4 DVD, so there's no way I can import them -- at all. There is no way to see them unless I download them.
Sure, "go pay to see in a movie theater you lazy bastard" is fine if you're American, or Canadian, or English. But most of the world isn't, and most of the world can't go pay to see Straightheads, most of the world can't go down the road and see November or buy cable to watch Dexter. - Bobbler, on 11/08/2007, -1/+7I fail to see what difference the protocol you are using should get you throttled. Surely if I was to sit on Youtube, WOW or Xbox Live 24/7 I would be getting similar bandwidth usage as torrents?
Are we to see the point where the ISPs are going to kill off the chances of media like IPTV? How can they expect the take up to be anything at all when they hide their true packages behind the small print of AUP/FUPs? Joe Bloggs on the street goes to buy his broadband unaware of frankly ludicrous bandwidth limits of down to 2GB a month in some cases, tries to use BBC IMP, Channel4OD, Sky OD and finds a letter on his door from the crappy ISP within downloading just a couple of programs.
ISPs should put up or shut up, perhaps if they spent less on ramming their products down our throats then they would be able to start living up to their hype a little more by investing in central bandwidth and the like.
Virgin for one are a glowing example of this sort of behaviour, adverts up to 3 times a break, saying how great their 20 UNLIMITED package is, but don't go using it or we will throttle you. Yes we did tell you, its right there on the hundredth page of small print that you signed, cunningly hidden between how super duper we are and how much its going to cost you. Its just we got so popular through our adverts all day that we can't possibly give you the service we promised, but we sure as hell don't mind taking your money from you for nothing in return.
Conversely some of the smaller less advertised ISPs are offering a slightly slower (2 to 8 meg) package which is completely unrestricted and they don't give a rats ass what you download.
Sorry rant over LOL - VeganG, on 11/08/2007, -0/+6Then tell me why practically every country outside of the US has faster broadband, for cheaper.
- spider418, on 11/07/2007, -0/+5If they do show it it will definitely attract the ladies! I would so score!!!
- rhino_rampant, on 11/07/2007, -0/+5You can't honestly expect me to sympathize or even consider accepting a lower QoS because my ISP (Comcast) over sold the area I live so it could turn an extra buck? What you said boggles my mind. Its that type of mentality that keeps the RIAA from continually going after customers, and why Comcast hasn't been order to stop interfering with BitTorrent.
- divxrippimp, on 11/11/2007, -0/+5I dont know if its my isp or not, but none of my torrents will connect tonight, mac or pc, multiple download clients... This is recent as of the last few days...
- Sebaul, on 11/07/2007, -2/+7If worse comes to worst, someone will come up with an alternative to BitTorrent, thus continuing this never ending game of cat and mouse. ISP's have made their move, now it time for us to make ours.
- jordan314, on 11/07/2007, -0/+4Nice flamebait.
The US is ridiculously behind in bandwidth compared to countries in Europe and Asia. It's a ridiculous argument that companies like Comcast with the money they have can't afford to provide everyone with much faster speeds. - arjie, on 11/07/2007, -0/+4Can I say 'Wow! Transparency _and_ free software?!', the only way this company could get better is if it invented a cure for cancer or something. Talk about caring for your customers! I'm seriously impressed.
- HentaiJeff, on 11/07/2007, -0/+4::requests this from his theater right now::
- meachen, on 11/07/2007, -0/+4I've been hogging 24/7 for years.......(Nelson) HA HA
- Egoist, on 11/07/2007, -0/+4Not to suggest that it is or isn't your ISP, but if you have a Netgear router, I'd check that first. That's a very common problem with their newer models.
- Twoodge, on 11/07/2007, -0/+4In case anyone was on Virgin Media here (like me), they give you a download limit between 4pm and midnight. Depends on what package you have, but the limit is either 350MB, 750MB or 3GB. If you go past this, your download and upload speed is lowered for four hours from the time you go over this limit. So say you had downloaded 3.01GB on the biggest tariff between 4pm and 11:30pm, your speeds would be lowered from 11:30pm until 3:30pm.
Just clearing this up because a few people have been confused about it. -
Show 51 - 100 of 145 discussions
Check out the new & improved 
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is