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- D3NNIS, on 01/21/2008, -6/+328Scapegoat.
- watkin29, on 01/21/2008, -7/+265Can someone say, scapegoat?
- listed, on 01/21/2008, -4/+129brokep: "I'm essentially a pirate. In more ways than one. Piracy is about culture, culture is about humanity and I'm a human being."
http://brokep.com/ - sparced, on 01/21/2008, -10/+124Bring back Demonoid!
- doshindude, on 01/21/2008, -3/+94You can't stop The Pirate Bay.
- Dankoozy, on 01/21/2008, -5/+91Bush would call it an "escape goat"
- Tyr7BE, on 01/21/2008, -5/+85Hey go on, take down the pirate bay. Just wait and see how long it takes for two more to pop up. What happened when Oink was shut down? It took all of a month for waffles and what.cd to rise from its ashes. The canning of napster back in the day led to Kazaa, Gnutella, DC, SoulSeek, etc etc. Chop off one head, three more emerge. So go ahead, take down Pirate Bay.
- SemiSarcastic, on 01/21/2008, -5/+65Come oooon. The internet is the last place the common man can be free. The elitists may control most of reality, but the internet is our turf, so get out.
- jseres, on 01/21/2008, -2/+58Do what you want cause a pirate is free. You are a pirate!
- inactive, on 01/21/2008, -8/+61TPB FTW!
- JMilton, on 01/21/2008, -2/+48When will these ***** learn that spreading the culture can't be banned? Unless we travel back to the stone age...
- norman619, on 01/21/2008, -6/+37Really? You do know that they have broken no laws right? They do not share anything other than links to files. Pointers. Much like Google and other search engines. I can easily find torrent links using Google as well yet I don't see Google being hounded. What they do is pretty much like me standing on the street and answering people's questions of "Where can I find this?" I would just point them to what they are looking for. Am I guilty of breaking any laws? Nope. Can the police arrest me for telling anyone where the nearest crack house is or where the nearest REAL pirate is? Nope. You are pretty clueless.
- ictharus, on 01/21/2008, -1/+27The mythical beast you're looking for is a hydra.
- inactive, on 01/21/2008, -3/+28How do you pronounce it?
- Travisx2, on 01/21/2008, -3/+27Content Pirates and the Pirate bay are like real pirates... .If real pirates came along side your ship, snapped some pictures of your women and treasure, and audio recordings of your engines, then left you alone.
- ibeetle, on 01/21/2008, -0/+24This happens all the time here in the U.S. People are found guilty all the time by the news organizations and in the court of public opinion long before their day in court.
- Icupnimpn2, on 01/21/2008, -0/+23...or don't take down the Pirate Bay and save a whole bunch of people from having to start over from scratch, if the end result is the same.
- Hayaemsay, on 01/21/2008, -3/+25Yes.
- Sawta, on 01/22/2008, -1/+21Here's the ten mistakes that Brokep claims that the Sweedish authorities have made.
"* PUL (the swedish privacy law) was broken to get information about moderators on TPB. In order to break PUL the crime you’re suspected of must have prison on the penalty scale. There was no suspected crime, they just wanted information.
Charges where filed about this to the justiceombudsman (JO). JO didn’t investigate and dropped the case.
* TPB was hosted in a banking facility. During the raid several parts of the laws for Skyddobjekt (protected entities) was broken, for instance that the video cameras in the facility was covered over and that the police took actual pictures inside the building (not only TPB equipment).
* During one of the informational hearings with a previous moderator, he was not allowed to bring in a friend (which is a consitutional right in Sweden) to the hearing. This because the police ‘where only in town for two days and had no time to investigate who the friend was’, although he clearly could have shown ID.
This was just some weeks before the final investigatin was sent to the prosecutor and they had 1.5 years to hear the moderator before. Charges where filed about this to the JO, no answer back yet.
* During the raid the charges was altered from ‘aiding with copyright infringement’ to ‘copyright infringement’ in order to get a search warrant. This is because ‘aiding’ is not a serious enough offence to get a search warrant and cease things. There has been no real suspicion for any direct copyright infringement. Because of the this alteration, the police gained alot of tools for investigating that they would not have been allowed to use otherwise. As this became the ‘original charge’ the police got to use the tools even after the raid when they had even more evidence there was no copyright infringement ever happening.
Charges where filed about this and other to JO, but he decided that the case was ‘advanced’ and therefor didn’t do anything about it.
* The police posted information that they would put TPB on the Swedish childporn filter. They never contacted us about the alleged child porn (which nobody found when looking for such content) and after heavy media critique the police caved in and said that TPB did not - any longer - have child porn on the site. Which of course, there was none to start with.
Charges was filed about slander and for abusing the childporn filter for political means to JO but he decided that the police probably did their job and ‘had no reason not to trust the police officers testimony’.
* The police put the TPB associated website Kopimi.com in the child porn filter prior to this. Kopimi.com is of course not child porn either. After over 6 months in the filter a prosecutor stated that kopimi.com of course did not have any child porn (nor had ever had) and demanded that the filter was to be altered. The Swedish police had of course copied it’s filter to Norway and Denmark, aka rendering the site still filtered there after the Swedish filter was altered. It took another 3 months to get that sorted out, all the work we had to do. And no, we didn’t get an apology.
* One of the persons that got searched and detained during the raid was TPBs hired lawyer. It is unprecedented in Swedish history that a legal counsel gets detained for what his clients are alleged to have done. Also, since they ceased his computer and all papers they could find, they broke client-attorney privileges many times over.
I am not sure about if something has been filed about this.
* Justitiekanslern (JK, The attorney general) has filed complaints that two of the approved and assigned lawyers for two of the suspects in the case are not a valid option. Both of them are expert lawyers within intellectual property. We do not have many of those in Sweden and especially not those who are not void due to conflict of interests. The official claim is that it would be to expensive to have lawyers based outside of Stockholm for the case when it goes on trial - the prosecutor says it will take approximately 5 days in court. Considered that there are few good lawyers left that are available and that these lawyers already have been working for weeks on the case, it would of course be more expensive (and worse defense) to change lawyers for these two suspects. And considering the total costs in this case, some 5 days in court are not where the most money has been spent.
JKs complaints has been appealed.
* The prosecutor in the case has publicly in court compared TPB and Piratbyrån to IRA and Sinn Fein, calling TPB an ‘armed division for Piratbyrån’ in order to not give out hardware belonging to the parties.
No files has been charged that I’m aware of for the slander.
* The prosecutor said to media even before the investigation was started (during the raid) that he was going to press charges. This breaks all code of conduct when it comes to how he should behave - the investigation should determine if there was something to press charges about. A prosecutor is not allowed according to law to put a case on trial if he does not believe that it will lead to a conviction.
Charges will be filed when appropriate.
* The government caved into the pressure from the USA. The minister of justice is suspected of illegal giving direct orders to the police to do the raid. This is such a big thing that I won’t even cover it here.
… and remember who’s up for a trial here. Who’s the criminals?" - OUberLord, on 01/21/2008, -1/+19Except he is 100% correct. Let's follow your logic; if I use Google to find and download a PDF on how to make a pipe bomb, Google should be held accountable then right?
- actorboy, on 01/22/2008, -3/+17And buy private islands on which to frolic. Don't forget private islands on which to frolic.
- sarge96, on 01/21/2008, -0/+13"Scapegoat"
- norman619, on 01/21/2008, -1/+14Please show me how they are pirating anything. Please since you seem to think you know more and that what I said is incorrect. Go ahead. Show me one thing they have actually pirated. Oh yeah you don't have jack so you resort to personal insults. LOL!!!
- Lixie, on 01/21/2008, -3/+16I wouldn't have stop the authorities from casting them unjustly as guilty. This way when they do inevitably go to trial they could have the whole case dismissed because the authorities tainted the jury.
- mCanada, on 01/21/2008, -0/+12Viva la TPB!
- cosmicr, on 01/22/2008, -2/+14I'm sorry - Demonoid got taken down, now where are 3 equally good or better sites please?
- Trillion08, on 01/21/2008, -1/+12Long live the PIRATES ARRGGGGH!!! Down with Big Brother!!!!
- Hellothere123, on 01/21/2008, -4/+15If I wanna buy something, I'll buy it, if I don't wanna buy something, I'll either not buy it or pirate it.
- Falldog, on 01/21/2008, -2/+13Bah, wrong ***** digg.
- wukillabee, on 01/21/2008, -5/+16piracy ftw
- Barbarino, on 01/21/2008, -2/+12Peeps I think TPB long term survival doesn't look good.. digg me down, but they got Goti, they got Capone, and they will get TPB, just may take a while..
- SemiSarcastic, on 01/21/2008, -0/+9I'm just speaking in generic terms. In this case: the people who represent the top or most powerful in a society or system.
- ryanonfire, on 01/22/2008, -0/+9http://flash.gprime.net/media/flash/youareapirate. ...
- JoelBakan01, on 01/21/2008, -3/+12We need to take back our world from the corporate fascists.
- TaintedTux, on 01/21/2008, -0/+9Scapegoat indeed. But I'm goin with sparced here and saying we need Demonoid back!!!
- s14sh3r, on 01/21/2008, -1/+10That's what I thought about Demoniod, too. :(
- Tophillious, on 01/21/2008, -2/+11Smartasses.
- alby13, on 01/22/2008, -5/+14get over it. commercial websites collect money. the money is used to pay for server costs, employee costs, legal fees, etc.
the owner decides if they want to keep the money they make, or put it back into the company.
society is based on working hard to make money. it didn't happen magically. - JMilton, on 01/21/2008, -5/+13I do give. It's called bandwidth.
- icurnvs, on 01/21/2008, -2/+10Here's an analogy that I'm sure not many people will like.
Original Napster = Crack dealer that gets crack from outside sources and gives it to crackheads. - Illegal
The Pirate Bay = Source that exists solely(be realistic) that tells you exactly how and where you can the crack. It doesn't actually handle the crack, but it will have a car and driver take you to where the crack is. - Legal or not? - shark72, on 01/22/2008, -1/+9Great. ATM number and PIN code, please.
- norman619, on 01/21/2008, -1/+8You need to learn what it is they actually do. How they replay to the ignorant requests of companies has no bearing on the legality of what they do. They do not provide software. They do not provide music. All they do is tell you where to find what you are looking for. As I said above I can do the same thing with Google or any other search engine.
- ictharus, on 01/21/2008, -1/+8should they shut down askaninja.com too? Ninjas are illegal, they're hitmen.
- mst3kcrow, on 01/21/2008, -0/+7More fuel for TPB's defense case. :D
- OrangeSoda31, on 01/22/2008, -1/+8LOL!
- norman619, on 01/21/2008, -3/+10Nope they are a torrent tracker. They specialize in torrent searches. You obviously think all torrents to copyrighted materials. You couldn't be more wrong. And yes Google has lead me to some torrents where the trackers let me down.
- FluffyWolf, on 01/22/2008, -0/+7I am not that stupid, I swapped the last two digits.
- MattB123, on 01/21/2008, -5/+11I think the Patriot Act outlawed those.
- kopimi, on 01/21/2008, -0/+6The big difference here is that TPB is being found guilty by the POLICE and not the media or preferably the courts. The police should be the last people to say who is and isn't guilty before a court case has been settled.
- OUberLord, on 01/21/2008, -0/+6Actually, it was to point how how juvenile the threats against them were to begin with.
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