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- tinko, on 06/10/2008, -6/+86The US needs a Swedish Left Party
- eminn3m, on 06/09/2008, -8/+78Just another reason why I want to move to Sweden.
- macaddct1984, on 06/09/2008, -4/+72It's utterly amazing when this kind of news is contrasted with the MPAA wanting to limit what DVRs can record...
- zeabu, on 06/09/2008, -12/+74Proud to be European. I know who to vote during the €lections next year.
- TheJalu, on 06/09/2008, -10/+45***** THING...OWNS!!!!!
- inactive, on 06/10/2008, -1/+34yeah besides the cute blond girls
- BrainCoder, on 06/10/2008, -3/+35SWEDEN ***** YEAH
- BrainCoder, on 06/10/2008, -0/+25That enough could make me move to Sweden.
- GreenChaos, on 06/09/2008, -4/+27MPAA, RIAA, etc are so blinded trying to find ways to find & punish people. I bet they spend more time trying to find "violators" then actually doing what they are supposed to do, that's if even they remember what that even was.
- TheThirdLevel, on 06/10/2008, -1/+24and the ***** badass melodic death metal scene.
- Zantive, on 06/10/2008, -5/+27***** the RIAA
- MWeather, on 06/10/2008, -0/+19Yeah, I've always found proximity to be a big part of the getting laid equation. My penis is only so long. At some point I have to get within a foot of the chick.
- Bersy, on 06/10/2008, -0/+18Actually, technically it does.
- nationalist, on 06/10/2008, -2/+20i suck at swedish but here goes...
For a lot of us in the Left Party [file] sharing is something positive in the same way as public libraries are. We are happy that the party changed its line in the election campaign, but now we are in a situation where the Left Party lacks a clear position [on the issue].
The Left Party has long underestimated the importance of the issue and [its] impact. Among Sweden's 15-19 year olds, 60 percent believe that it is a "very good proposal" to allow all file sharing. To those who think it is a "fairly good proposal", we are running at 80 percent. The figures are then with increasing age. [???]. (WHO, Ds 2007:29's 189f)
It is not sustainable that we avoid the issue. It should also not be particularly complicated to find a good line which works well in relation to our other policies.
[...]
I urge the Left Party to take a stand for greater opportunities to copy for personal use... - iLEZ, on 06/10/2008, -2/+17I will probably look stupid trying to explain this, but: Sweden has something called STIM, which takes money from, for example, a radio station each time they play a song from a certain artist. That way, the artist, any artist, that gets played on the radio or at a club or at a bus or whatever, will be sent money each time a song is played from their record. There is a suggestion to attatch some sort of "file-sharing tax" to the bill from your ISP, to compensate for the files you "undoubtedly" share. This would somehow render the artists payment for the media we consume through P2P networks and such. This may seem heavy-handed, but similar "pirate-taxes" have been passed onto blank media, and now the tax on a liter of vodka is (said to be) smaller than that of a pile of blank DVD-Rs, and we have a HIGH tax on alcohol...
Anyhow digg, i hope that all made sense. Correct me if i am wrong by the way. =) - jackalsclaw, on 06/10/2008, -1/+15yea we do, What we need now is more then a 2 party system.
- zadadka, on 06/10/2008, -2/+13Cue the migration (exodus?) of media Servers and primary torrent Trackers etc to IPs in Sweden.
- Observant1, on 06/10/2008, -2/+12the movie and record industries have been raping the public for decades. a cd only costs about 20c to produce, thats the disk, case and cover. it doesnt justify a 15.00 pricetag at all. the MPAA and RIAA is these industries response, using the extreme wealths they have collected from the masses to bully and punish the people for downloading inferior copies of the product.
(technically the lower bitrate copies dont compare to what the original product is)
the people know they have been getting their wallets raped, these industries created the problem in the first place by their own price gouging. years ago the cool FM rocks stations used to play complete albums and there wasnt anything preventing of prohibiting people from popping a blank cassette into their stereo and hitting the record button to add it to their personal collection. now with the internet, rather than adapt to a new media outlet, the industries have lobbied for, and been granted the power, to take away peoples HOMES like they were some kind of CRACK DEALERS. we the people werent offered any choice regarding "laws" like this, it is simply corporatocracy, aka: fascism.
I knew it would start getting thick when a few years ago WALMART was trying to sell mp3's online for 77c a song (inferior copies!) when an album costs maybe 20c to produce, selling it for a dollar would be 400% profit, in any other business this would be considered unreasonable, so how unreasonable is it when theyre selling for 15.00? the MPAA and RIAA's existence IS a declaration of warfare upon the same people who made them wealthy in the first place, economic warfare, warfare upon their freedom too.
the price of leasing a movie to show, has theater owners trying to exist from the sales of price gouging at the concession stands, hollywood doesnt know the meaning of "share the wealth",
they demand everybody just bend over and take it without the expense and luxury of lubricants.
they themselves are the very reason for the existence of the filesharing networks, and are now even more desperate to gain total control over the internet. problem, reaction, solution. bend over. - u8myfoood, on 06/10/2008, -1/+11Just because you live in the same country as them does not really increase your chances with them.
- Waiting2awake, on 06/10/2008, -0/+10What trade? You mean stopping Beef / Fruits / etc going into a country because they copied some ones and zeros?
BTW - it is for personal home use - just like taping from the VCR - did that kill civilization? Then why would this? - Waiting2awake, on 06/10/2008, -1/+11Do you feel the same thing about the VCR?
This is for "personal home use" - just like taping NYPD blue on the VCR way back when. Yes - the same arguments that are all being made today about this, were made then about the VCR,*takes a deep breath*
and prior to that over tape cassettes,
and prior to that with 8 track tapes,
and prior to that with records,*Takes another deep breath*
and prior to that with radio plays......
They all said that it will bring an end to entertainment... but it never did.
What they are actually saying when they say something will end entertainment, is we are losing our position of being gate keepers to what/when/how/why people can be entertained...
- masterm1nd, on 06/10/2008, -4/+13I'm kind of on the fence, but you guys do realize much of what we enjoy and find worth pirating simply would not be made if the creator can't make a good buck.
- zephyear, on 06/10/2008, -2/+11sadly they only have 22 seats in parliament
oh well, maybe with some help from the social democratic guys (the "softer" socialists, 130 seats) and the green party (19 seats) they can legalize it - MWeather, on 06/10/2008, -0/+9I hate street pirates. One minute you're minding your own business driving down the street and the next you're being boarded and are made to walk the plank.
Bloody pirates! - AndreasTh, on 06/10/2008, -0/+8Vänsterpartiet wants to dissolve the EU... So remove the € if you're going to vote for them ;)
- Stormwern, on 06/10/2008, -0/+7And the non-toxic food/water/air :)
It's very unlikely to pass, though it doesn't really matter atm, piracy is on the level of underage drinking here anyway. Kept under control and off the streets, but not really policed otherwise. - masterm1nd, on 06/10/2008, -0/+7I wish the US had a pirate party lol
- Radan, on 06/10/2008, -0/+7We drive a lot less that you do in the US, but we don't technically hate cars (the opposite actually, it's very common to drive rather semi expensive sports cars here in Sweden). Though, the reason for this is that our busses and trains and similar, are very developed and works incredibly good (usually, there goes one buss every ten to twenty minute), and especially within the cities, it's too complicated to drive around and to find parking slots so that most people simply takes a bicycle or the bus.
- Waiting2awake, on 06/10/2008, -0/+7Some say that is how MS got so big. I always remember copies of MS 3.1 floating around, or word.... and thus...tada everyone used, and were used to microsoft? So when the time comes to buy they buy.....
- Skye16, on 06/10/2008, -4/+11They also want to stop paying for roads, bridges, dams, schools, etc. Or, rather, they want the government to stop paying for it. Everything should be privatized - everything. They imagine some sort of utopia where every single important service could somehow be made into a profitable venture and would be supported by some company or another.
Counter-argument to my skepticism: "It can't be that important if there is no way to make a profit".
Counter-counter-argument "not everything that makes a society great can bring in reams of money. all sorts of things get ignored because they aren't immediately profit generating, though coupled with a variety of other business could increase profits. in an ideal world, companies would see the link and go out of their way to take up the slack. but let's face it; we do not, and never will, live in an ideal world."
With all that said, I'm libertarian in most things, but there are just some (a very few) public services that government does best, that really do benefit us all. Any sort of mass infrastructure construction, for example. I'm all for the government spending some of its phattest of loots on building up infrastructure and then leasing it out to private companies (plural - competition > all) to use.
But that's communism, apparently :O - MWeather, on 06/10/2008, -3/+10"Tell me one country, except China (which isn't technically a pure communist state) that has been run by a communist government that hasn't failed miserably."
Cuba. They've done astonishingly well despite the decades long embargo by the country that should be their biggest trade partner.
I'd wager China wouldn't be doing so well with a similar US embargo. Then again, neither would the US.. - jnuffnuffnomnom, on 06/10/2008, -3/+9That takes all the fun out of pirating though. Its like spying on your wife naked.
- mGARANDEUR1, on 06/10/2008, -2/+8...and the awesome melodic death metal.
- Azerael, on 06/10/2008, -2/+8If a kid who can't afford, say, the Adobe CS3 suite wants to learn graphic design, through piracy they can download it, install it, and teach it to themselves. Adobe doesn't lose a potential sale, as the person wouldn't have used it at all if they couldn't get it for free. What Adobe does gain, however, was a future customer if this kid gets employed in the design industry. If of every thousand people who download it, only ten people end up as customers, that is still a greater number then there would have been should these people have instead had to become garbage collectors or work at Wal Mart.
- Cyber_Akuma, on 06/10/2008, -1/+7Right, never mind political views, foreign policy, budget ideas, and all that stuff that is actually important to running a country, lets vote for the guys that want to make it ok to torrent Lost and The Orange Box.
- Radan, on 06/10/2008, -14/+20Vänsterpartiet is the freaking scum of the earth, very much like Miljöpartiet (The Environmental Party of Sweden). They have absolutely no clue whatsoever how to properly run a country. Let me remind you that they are also the same party that proposed higher taxes for men. Yes, you read that right. Men would get higher taxes because the statistically higher number of crimes by men against women than vise versa.
Also, if you haven't forgotten, the only thing that differs them from pure communists is their name. Tell me one country, except China (which isn't technically a pure communist state) that has been run by a communist government that hasn't failed miserably.
The second Vänsterpartiet gets elected for government, is the second I move to Denmark. - BearinG, on 06/10/2008, -0/+5For years, that's all I knew about Sweden.. their awesome music scene..
- poxonyou, on 06/10/2008, -0/+5dugg for being factual.
Sweden rocks in many ways, but it's not as if a large portion of the government is pushing for this, and definitely not out of the goodness of their heart. - iLEZ, on 06/10/2008, -0/+5Hey! Keep out of my closet!
- jw5801, on 06/10/2008, -1/+6As far as the music industry goes, most performers (especially small not well known ones) are quite happy to share their music so they can get it out there and make a name for themselves (cue myspace music, et al). They don't make money from record sales, they make their money from gigs and ticket sales!
- Molnies, on 06/10/2008, -0/+5djchester, the Green Party (Miljöpartiet) are also trying to decriminalize file sharing.
- bfisch1983, on 06/10/2008, -2/+7Jonathan Coulton has replaced his income as a programmer with his music, and he releases all of this songs under the creative commons license. There are ways to make money off of music. Charging for songs might not be the main way. The only reason songs have value is because we attach a value to them. If peoples willingness-to-pay drops to zero then a mp3 is suddenly worthless. It really is just economics. The demand is shifting but the larger companies can't see it.
- lukeev, on 06/10/2008, -1/+5Don't you guys have a small Libertarian party with a similar kind of message?
- devzor, on 06/10/2008, -2/+6to sweden it is! :)
- masterm1nd, on 06/10/2008, -3/+7Ok guys, maybe you or I aren't getting it. But the artists choose to sign under labels because the labels have the ability to make them popular thus earning money. Put simply, it takes money to make money. Even if a band is great, unless they have a ton of money to initially promote themselves, they aren't gonna go anywhere. Although I find most mainstream stuff pure crap, they are providing you the service of finding bands you apparently like and providing the bands a service of making money with their talent. I don't see their specific wrong doing? I mean come on, you are able to donate money directly to just about any band you want bypassing the evil corporations . Do you, however, do that? Me thinks not. Oh well, hopefully Trent can change that legitimately and morally.
- Waiting2awake, on 06/10/2008, -0/+4Are you saying that such a device to instently replicate what you needed, food shelter, etc would be a bad thing for humanity? Do you not see what you are envaribly arguing in favour of?
What you fail to understand in your world view there is yes - the car companies would disappear - but there would be no longer any need for them to exist either would they? You are answering your own questions.
You are arguing for things to stay the same - and that is against nature, and that is why your side is losing and will continue to do so until they are gone.
"I don't think we would have any of it if there was a replication device."
- Actually, we would never be without anything if we had that device would we? In fact, think of how much faster we could evolve once we can get to a place where what makes money is innovation - not protecting archaic models. - thedarkwolf, on 06/10/2008, -1/+5I actually think its a good idea, or rather the start of a good idea. I don't really want to steal from the content creators. I think they should be compensated for the great work they make (so great that I go and pirate it). All I really want is a DRM free copy of my favorite songs/movies/tv shows that I can take to my friends and say "hey you've got to watch/listen to this. Here have it"
I don't think prating is ever about stealing from artists, Its about getting a product that we can't really get anywhere else. - jw5801, on 06/10/2008, -1/+5Umm... so we need record companies to promote music and help us find new bands? Isn't that exactly what all these music sharing websites (ie. OiNK, RIP) do for free? You're arguing that bands will not get anywhere if they can't be promoted, we all agree with you! We're just saying that record companies follow an outdated old model, bring back word-of-mouth (text-from-keyboard?) and bands get promoted by their listeners to their friends who undoubtedly have similar tastes in music, add the internet and free sharing to the equation and the listener can associate with millions of people globally who share their particular taste in music, the listener can show all these other people this great new band they found and this effect can snowball to give the band massive exposure. The end result is music that is spread and shared on it's own merits, rather than on how much money was thrown at it, the band gets well known and has thousands of people to come their shows and buy their merchandise (the markets where artists actually make a decent share), all without surrendering control to a label.
- chaiwalla, on 06/10/2008, -0/+4If the argument proposed at the top of this thread made sense then open source would not exist.
The other thing think about is why, in the music industry, you either starve or strike it rich. There must be a model so that entertainers and performers can make a decent living. - Sidde, on 06/10/2008, -2/+6The Left Party, previously known as the Left Party Communists.
Just a reminder for those who have forgotten. -
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