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- SoulMaster2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13This demo is basically a remake of one that was included in another engine, it was bought out by Ageia, I'll see If I can remember the name of it
- SoulMaster2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Found it, it's the Megon engine, here's the demo:
http://www.meqon.com/downloadarea/meqon-demos-1.4.zip - svidrod, on 10/12/2007, -18/+26its sad you care enough to formulate that whole post.
- SoulMaster2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Firefox has tabs you know...
- undeRliRcs, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14and volcompimp is a bitchy bigot
- DragonNOA1, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14HackJandy is a douche
- lopoetve, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16You know, Hack, you could just let it be? Frg is a person just like the rest of us, he just happens to run a website as well. A rather popular website to be sure, but he's got as much justification to be posting diggs as you do.
- EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I didn't know this was actually newsworthy: it's pretty clear on their site that the PhysX card just does acceleration: you can run the API on your computer and it'll operate as every other Physics API does right now (through software and calculation on the CPU itself).
In fact, our Senior Project has been using this API, but none of us own the cards. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6First off, this demo is just a bunch of polygon squares, it's not all the complicated in the physics department. Seems like its just to make sure the card is working. It's not supposed to wow you, like those videos that were floating around a few weeks ago did.
Secondly, this card is simply supposed to take the physics calculations off of the CPU, the same way old school graphic accelerators did. Did you "waste your money" on a video accelerator when your p4C (wtf is a p4C, btw) is perfectly capable of rendering graphics for you?
And btw, none of the applications you listed are particularly stressful on the CPU (where all this calculation is taking place). Sure it hogs up memory, but your memory isn't doing the calculations. - Jorg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Many folks are missing the point. Yes the demo only uses 30% of a reasonable processor, but if you had their card, it would use almost NONE of your processor. That means that a complex physical simulation that would take 100% of your CPU (leaving no CPU time for actual game-play, AI and such) can now be done without loading the CPU at all! (or at least very little.)
All the demo does is show you the types of things the card would accelerate.
Jorgie - corrosive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+17hackjandy, who the ***** are you to tell him to take the adds off his forum. there are adds on digg, do you want every ***** site to have no adds and charge people to use them? STFU and get over yourself.
- GotNoRice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The demo is simply to test functionality and make sure the card is working correctly. It is not meant to stress the hardware or look pretty or anything like that. The significance of the demo is that it is the first thing we have had which allows us to compare the PhysX engine running side by side in hardware and in software. It also lets us make some interesting observations such as the support for multiple cores.
Making conclusions like “yeah my CPU runs this fine, guess I don’t need a PPU” seems somewhat premature at this point.
For more in-depth analysis, I would suggest downloading fraps, which will give the demo an FPS counter. The demo appears to be capped at 100fps and with the PPU card will maintain that at all times regardless of the activity on the screen while showing CPU usage only on one processor. On my computer, dual 3Ghz xeons, in software mode using both cores almost to their max the demo dips down to 50-70fps during heavy action. I would imagine it would perform even better on a dual core athlon, however we have already had many reports of people with dual core athlons showing this demo maxing out both cores during heavy action.
And don’t forget, this demo is pretty narrow in its focus. In a real game your CPU isn’t just going to sit there doing physics, it will, you know, also have to deal with running the other aspects of the game. If this measly little demo can already max out today’s fastest processors, what room is going to be left to actually power the rest of the game? I’m not trying to say that they won’t be up to the task, and I’m sure games like ut2007 will still work great without a PPU, but it is really too early to draw conclusions. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Try running 10 or so instances of the demo at the same time, that should compensate for textures, AI, particle effects, etc etc that aren't in this demo but would be in a game
- Jyuu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3While I agree that a PPU will help in processing physics, I still firmly believe that the technology is not yet ready.
I installed that demo thing with the boxes and I assigned the processor affinity to one core. Guess what? I was getting solid 75fps with only ONE core, running on SOFTWARE mode. If it's like that in games, I'm just glad that I have a dual core processor and I don't feel the need for a PPU just yet. - jesusfresh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yeah, this is pretty dumb. there used to be a program called novodex rocket that showed off their api...pretty good performance for pretty complicated scenes on the cpu. i think it's part of the physx sdk now, but i'm not sure.
regardless, the whole point is that you don't need a ppu. that way game makers can use physx in their engines and not be completely screwed when only 10% of hardcore gamers get a physics card (though i will probably get one...i am gaming's bitch). - cfEclipse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2even when things are at rest, there's still forces acting upon them ;)
- Jyuu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If you have a good dual core processor, you probably don't need a PPU yet, but single core users will benefit a lot from it.
Get the Robohordes demo and you will see what I mean.
I benchmarked two processors: A Pentium 4 3.6GHz and a Pentium D 940 @ 3.2GHz. The slower clocked Pentium D was delivering twice the frame rate of the Pentium 4 3.6GHz and was perfectly playable.
Rest of hardware used:
Two Geforce 7800GTX in SLI
2GB DDR2 RAM PC 5400 (OCZ GOLD)
Creative X-Fi Platinum
My point?
That you don't need a PPU if you have a dual core processor and you intend to play Unreal Engine 3-based games. - dJCL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow, that was such a useless waste of time, I think I just spent 10 minute knocking down blocks to see what happened depending on where I hit things...
- LordofShadows, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you havent seen this its worth seeing imho: http://www.artificialstudios.com/Gallery/CellFactor_TrailerNew.exe
- PottsyNZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Err....3d Mark06 uses the PhysX API for the CPU benchmarking...old news :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Meqon used to have demos like this, before Ageia bought them, only their demos were cooler.
- esansone, on 10/12/2007, -9/+10HackJandy, you were already proven wrong in this post:
http://digg.com/hardware/SFF_Computer_from_Polywell_may_be_Great_Value_for_the_DIYer_
Why do you continue to make up lies?
"Hey you know ***** it, just go straight to the link that that news thing links to anyway. All the article says is if you download this driver you can see a demo of AGEIA:
http://www.ageia.com/products/drivers.html"
Not really. The post that Kyle made gives much more information. It includes links to forum posts and screenshots of the demo running. It explains what to do with the driver, and how you don't actually have to install the driver to run the demo. Just the Engine is required. - VipeNess, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1mostly played around with it long time ago, for modeling tests.
- PottsyNZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.futuremark.com/products/3dmark06/?partners
- DJgreenLava, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What games used that engine?
- r00t3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yup if you pass a ball near a block the force of it flying past will shake the blocks.
- teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2runs just fine, 30% cpu use on dual core amd 4800+
- cfEclipse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1keep in mind that the demo is relatively simple. scale it up a bit and it's gonna be a bit of a mess
- s3r4ph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, we might not need the PPUs now... but eventually, I'm sure we will. I'm interested to see how the physics in future games stack up. Right now I absolutely could not justify a PPU, but in two years, I may be singing a different tune. I wonder, though: can we overclock them?
-frgmstr (love ya Hack :)) - techromancer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Hmm, this demo and the megon demo ran flawlessly on my laptop, which really make we wonder exactly how much of an improvement this physx card will provide... Will this 'upgrade' actually be worth it?
Interesting indeed. - icec, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Awesome, thanks, I was trying to remember the name as well.
- cawpin, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6At least undeRliRcs spelled his stupid insult correctly.
- VipeNess, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5this is very old news, played with it months ago
- NBCvf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0how come on idle it's still 60% on dual core 4200+ ?
what physics does it have to calculate ?? - NGliam, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Why would you have all that open? Seriously, wtf? Are you the kinda person that doesn't put his toys away after playing with them?
//anyway: It runs pretty good for me and I have a 2.55ghz Intel Celeron with 500mb of RAM and a terrible graphics card. It's pretty slow (though not painstakingly) when the actual physics are being applied - after I shoot the boxes :P Nice demo though, its fun. - dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Mac not included. Guess I'll have to wait until I get home.
- lopoetve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0nevermind
- Stiffler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0lol, you didn't even look at the link did you? You should stop and think before you say something stupid...
- DragonNOA1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The link goes to a summary of all the info and shows all the relevant links so you don't have to wade through pages of forums to find the good info.
- dickeytk, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3aww poor hack, i'm digging this just cuz you are a dick
- sirholio, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0If you're going to say that, at least spell it right.
- shinynew, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3@HackJandy aww does ad block not work for you?
and if he is posting crap then it will not get diggs. - Legion303, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"HardForum readers have figured out"
Maybe the digg link should go to HardForum's site instead of your ***** blog then, douchebag. After all, they're the ones who figured it out...all you did was write about them figuring it out. - H2SO4, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Ad blockers on full power!
- KyleRayner, on 10/12/2007, -15/+12and gets rid of his sock puppet accounts.
- Stiffler, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Or, you could be happy that he's putting out quality content FREE OF CHARGE TO YOU...
- Tomholius, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5This program is exactly what i needed to prove that the Ageia PhysX is just another way for people to make more money off consumers. My computer is about 3 years old with only a 2.8 ghz p4C and it runs this flawlessly with absolutely no lag at all. I have many other memory and process hogging programs open at the same time as well, such as adobe photoshop, adobe premier, 14 firefox windows, 7 explorer windows, google earth, winamp, and warcraft 3. Count me out on wasting my money on this stupid physics processor, just another waste of time.
- fuelvolts, on 10/12/2007, -26/+15HackJandy -
seriously; get a life
/a job maybe? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -32/+9Sure, if he takes the ads off the pages he tells his forum members to digg maybe.
- volcompimp, on 10/12/2007, -39/+6HardOCP guys are a bunch of faggets
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