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- bluepill2, on 08/01/2008, -1/+62Not quite the blowing up of the Death Star, but a worthy victory nonetheless. Remember though, The Empire -always- Strikes Back. We gotta keep up the pressure so that this kind of ruling becomes the norm and not the exception.
- danieldezago, on 08/01/2008, -2/+54finally...suck it comcast!
- orangefly, on 08/02/2008, -1/+51stop ***** selling bandwidth you don't have then....
- silverfox08, on 08/01/2008, -0/+46Everyone should read the letter from Republican Minority leader John Boehner to Martin! In the letter, Boehner writes "Difficulties in quickly transferring large files led to the development of cutting edge p2p technology. When a small minority of subscribers - often using these apps to share pirated content began clogging the networks to the harm of the large majority of users, broadband providers began taking steps to alleviate the congestion."
Exactly! Instead of enlarging the pipe to allow innovation, they decided to stifle the innovation of P2P so that they didn't have to spend the money to allow it to grow. The telcos and cable cos will continue to do what is in their (and their stock holder's) best interests, not what is in the best interests of innovation and the greater good.
Keep the internet open! - Noncentz, on 08/02/2008, -1/+31I wonder how much money Comcast spent throttling bandwidth and subsequently fighting a legal battle. Should have thrown that money into some infrastructure..... im just sayin
- makenshin, on 08/02/2008, -0/+19"as the Journal bitterly calls them, but with a younger, technology-loving generation that sees government as an ally rather than The Problem. "
I don't think he understands 'The Problem'. Government control is a problem. Monopolistic corporations who treat their customers like dirt and all the other options basically do the same, are 'The Problem'; adding to that problem is that the corporations have set it up in a way that customers don't get good quality choices when they are possible, thanks to the government working with the corporations. Heck, here in the SF Bay Area our choices are basically cable (Comcast or astound) or DSL (At&t or a company that uses AT&T's lines). I'd love to have Verizon FIOS.
These companies that complain about too much traffic thanks to modern day internet video or file sharing, do not actually innovate or update to modern technology. The US is way behind other countries in terms of internet. Because telecommunications companies are allowed to have exclusive rights, they get lazy due to lack of competition. - czeman, on 08/02/2008, -3/+21This is a relief. Two of my best friends died fighting Comcast.
- Jammerdelray, on 08/02/2008, -3/+19Next step, stop tiered internet.
- korvan504521, on 08/01/2008, -0/+16I think this more qualifies as stealing the plans. Still gotta get them to the Rebellion and pick up Obi Wan.
Wait. . . I think Star Destroyer "Congress" just jumped out of hyperspace. . . - mikesoba, on 08/02/2008, -0/+15Comcast, like most other cable providers, is a chartered monopoly and in receiving a monopolistic position, is subject to much greater scrutiny, since there is essentially little to no competition. So, yes, they need to be told to stop harming their customers by limiting their use of the Internet. All of your other points are suppositions, since we have no idea what the source or content being transferred might be.
- pintomp3, on 08/02/2008, -1/+14shut the ***** up. you clearly don't understand who created the internet, how it was created, and why it works. this is not about government getting involved in business, this is about corporations not satisfied with the profits they are making. the internet works so well because it is neutral, it doesn't care what the data is or where it's going. the telcos aren't satisfied with their current level of profits, so they want to double dip. they want to create artificial tiers for traffic based on who pays them extra. if you are a small non-profit who can't afford to pay extra, access to your site will be relegated to the "slow" lane. if you have content they don't being read by their customers, traffic to your site might not take place at all. the telcos only sell you access to the highway, they should not dictate where you can go. net neutrality is about protecting this. it's not about the government regulating the internet, it's keeping the telcos from regulating it.
- secrity, on 08/02/2008, -0/+10What competition? AT BEST, most people have a choice between a monopoly broadband cable or the local monopoly telco DSL. Many people don't even have that much choice.
- NikoKun, on 08/03/2008, -1/+10Exactly. I pay for 10Mbps down 1Mbps up. (something along those lines)
Since that is what I pay for, Comcast needs to calculate how many users have that speed, add it all together, and the total speed of all those users, IS WHAT COMCAST SHOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT...
Otherwise they are selling something which they don't have.
Sadly, they don't have that... Rather, they clump users into localized groups within that speed, because they made the incorrect assumption that users wouldn't need the full speed all the time.
Now that they realize some users DO need that speed, they're capping the downloads and other such things.
I am happy paying for a speed, I WANT to pay for a SPEED... I DO NOT want to pay for a designated download amount with a cap... There is no reason for that, if Comcast (or other providers) are delivering what they promised. The reason they want to charge by amount, is because they simply don't provide what they promised. -_-
Not all of us use that bandwidth, via piracy. Some people browse websites CONSTANTLY, watch streaming videos, online TV, work from home, or play online games... In those situations it is quite easy to hit these ***** download caps.
Comcast spends their money, on the speed, not the quantity... So should we. - fanclerks, on 08/02/2008, -0/+9I say they spend the money they were originally given years ago... the $20B in government funds to build out their infrastructure. The money that they turned around and gave each other bonuses with.
The fact of the matter is that the ISPs are providing a pipe, that's it. They should have no say about what or how much of something is sent over that pipe. I pay for unlimited 10Mbps down and 1.5Mbps up. I should be able to use that full pipe as much as I like. It says unlimited, I use it unlimited. Also, enough with the small ass upload bandwidth! It's sad that the US is the most prosperous country in the world and yet we have one of the slowest Internet connections per capitol then the developed nations. We should be all on at least 100Mbps both ways at least. Imagine what it'd be like with that type of connection?
In regards to the competition argument. How do you expect them to do that when they're all government allowed monopolies. - patRIOTik, on 08/02/2008, -1/+9Thank you! Jesus, I know right?
God forbid you're forced to deliver a product your customer is paying a premium for. - EtherGnat, on 08/02/2008, -1/+6Actually it's the ads that make the sites you visit free, so if you ban them you're more likely to have to pay.
- bagelmaster, on 08/03/2008, -0/+4I'll state it again for your fragile mind. They have a legal monopoly (thanks government!). Monopolies=no competition. The government has an obligation (since they aren't breaking the monopoly) to restrict Comcast's costumer-hurting practices.
- JorgeGT, on 08/03/2008, -1/+5Respect.
- milktea, on 08/02/2008, -3/+6Amen.
- NikoKun, on 08/03/2008, -0/+3Obviously you don't get it...
woosh... - Heysal, on 08/03/2008, -0/+3Comcast is planning to appeal - so:
Boycott
Sell your Comcast Stocks
If you work for them - find a REAL job.
If they think they can push this through by getting this decision reversed - we can just take them out of the running. No customers - No employees - No investors. That is the way to send a message to any corporation that wants to rule us - pw378, on 08/03/2008, -0/+3Give it a few months (probably weeks or days), and the Democrats in the House and Senate will giving Comcast a free pass...
- pw378, on 08/03/2008, -1/+3Give it a few months (probably weeks or days), and both the Democrats and Republicans in the House and Senate will giving Comcast a free pass...
- inactive, on 08/03/2008, -3/+5Eh, it is an election year. Things will go back to the way they were after the elections and corporations will go back getting anything they want from the government. This is just all smoke and mirrors.
- MtheoryX, on 08/03/2008, -0/+2If you do work from home, it's not hard to hit that amount at all.
"You would literally have to be uploading and downloading.."
"really large files for days"
Yes, some of us do that, day in and day out, 5 days a week, all month. I understand that you may not, but I do, and so do many like me.
Again, it's people like me, the minority, who are not getting what we are paying for, and are being persecuted for using our connection in a manner that is in accordance with the plan for which we pay. - czeman, on 08/03/2008, -0/+1What... the... *****?
- yaddayaddayoda, on 08/02/2008, -1/+2How many Bothans died to bring us this information?
- pw378, on 08/03/2008, -0/+1How many Bittorrents died to bring us this information?
- Empythree, on 08/02/2008, -1/+1Well, at least we have a new hope.
- inactive, on 08/03/2008, -1/+1I'll party when the caps are lifted
- Archer007, on 08/02/2008, -1/+1I read... "becomes the nom and not the exception"... lol.
- NikoKun, on 08/03/2008, -1/+1om nom... nom?
- silverfox08, on 08/03/2008, -0/+0Dealing with piracy shouldn't require killing an entire protocol. Working w/ trackers to take down IP infringing content would be my first suggestion. There are plenty of legitimate uses for P2P, so to throttle it or slow it's use and prevent people from wanting to use it is slowing innovation.
The other thing I find funny is that Comcast's point of view is that BT should change their technology to work on Comcast's network, not the other way around. - DeathfireD, on 08/03/2008, -1/+1It's actually harder then you think to hit their 30GB-40GB a month cap. I mean, You would literally have to be uploading and downloading illegal movies or really large files for days to reach that.
But I agree, Comcast and other ISP's have done nothing to increase their pipelines. They really should try and catch up with the rest of the world. People over seas are getting, what, 100Mb/s+ now? Why are we still stuck on old technology that only allows us speeds of 10Mb-20Mb/s with so called "Super boost"? - Ducttape21, on 08/03/2008, -1/+1I tried to resist digging you up, but I ended up doing it anyway.
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http://boyfriendpillow.net/ - pw378, on 08/03/2008, -2/+2Give it a few months (probably weeks or days), and the Republicans in the House and Senate will giving Comcast a free pass...
- jewseverywhere, on 08/02/2008, -6/+1Oh wow, this is a releif for sure. I was one time doin this thing with my privates where I could take a brick and set it on my tongue then I could listen to Huey Lewis and as it turned out the only time I ate cereal was in the morning. I know, it's odd! So odd! Even. Anyway, I was always thinkign about the next time I would touch a turtle while wielding a rabbit. you know, like that old saying goes, "whoever touches the thing with the stuff gets a ant eater you know how it is and don't forget aobut watermelons." I think it wen tlike that that.
- inactive, on 08/02/2008, -8/+2Now all we have to do is ban the dating service True from the internet and their terrible ads from every social bookmarking/networking site on the internet, then we'll truly be free.
- Bkaufman, on 08/02/2008, -15/+2So you want companies to spend millions of dollars for infrastructure improvements to allow 5% of their users to infringe on movie/game/music copywrites without simultaneously slowing down the connections of 95% of their users? I use P2P as much as anyone else on digg, but you have to admit that this seems like a silly ruling. The FCC should not be telling companies how to do business, but they should be encouraging competition. This ruling is stupid.
- devnuller, on 08/02/2008, -17/+0Both sides of this debate have legitimate claims and appear to be arguing the extremes. I'm concerned when the government gets involved in business at this level. Making statements like "broadband is a civil right". Perhaps a PC is a civil right and must be provided as well (see socialism). The problem is no where near what it is being made out to be and this is more politics than real business or technology.
Net neutrality is nothing more than the next BS political debate that gets people all fired up and distracts from real issues in this world
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