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RIAA Triumphs In Usenet Copyright Case

news.cnet.com — In a note posted on its site, music trade group for top music labels says court ruled in its favor. Read this blog post by Greg Sandoval on Digital Media.

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  • Jektal, on 07/01/2009, -5/+80***** the RIAA.
  • guyincognitoo, on 07/01/2009, -0/+27This is for Usenet.com, not usenet as a whole. I doubt they could do anything about that.
  • Lendon2020, on 07/02/2009, -0/+23The RIAA is probably rubbing it's hands thinking "Victory". Also thinking that CDs sales are now going to skyrocket with the recent events like the one including the Pirate Bay.

    Are they in for a major disappointment!
  • spunkmyer, on 07/01/2009, -2/+23meh ... use ssl on your usenet servers.
  • jayjayjoni, on 07/01/2009, -1/+20***** the RIAA. Get your lightsabres and cut off all their tentacle penises before they rape more innocent people.

  • wukillabee, on 07/01/2009, -1/+20i liked usenet when my isp provided it
  • twiztidsinz, on 07/01/2009, -2/+21You love the value of your work... yet support the RIAA.
    I guess you love being raped for a pennies-on-the-dollar paycheck.
  • wukillabee, on 07/01/2009, -2/+20your work sucks so no one would even bother to pirate it
  • ganglartoronto, on 07/01/2009, -1/+16***** the RIAA, ***** them hard. Bunch of ***** criminals.
  • Raptor007, on 07/02/2009, -0/+14I think the point is, he liked it when there was no additional charge.
  • Raptor007, on 07/02/2009, -0/+13Obvious troll is obvious. Nobody with any compassion would support the RIAA's frivolous lawsuits against the innocent.
  • s73v3r, on 07/01/2009, -1/+14Wiping hard drives, sending employees out of the country, stonewalling the opposition during discovery. These do not sound like good things to do when the RIAA sues you. Or when anybody sues you, for that matter.
  • christoast, on 07/01/2009, -2/+14they'll never "actually" get usenet. Usenet is untouchable.
  • cmikesell, on 07/02/2009, -1/+13Hell yes it's untouchable. This article is very wrongly titled. It would be like naming an article "RIAA Triumphs in Internet copyright case" The reality is Usenet.com is just one of a plethora of Usenet providers. Most of which are outside the US anyways, sooo... basically my response to this article is who cares?

    Another way to put it would be like saying The RIAA wins court case against Email
  • tnoy, on 07/02/2009, -0/+12I'd like to see the RIAA go after all the other Usenet providers.

    Then again, the RIAA probably thinks Usenet.com is usenet.
  • Kyzzyxx, on 07/01/2009, -1/+12The endgame in all this society ***** is that, eventually, technology can do all the labor and humanity can just enjoy life. Even if enjoying life means you want to do something most others don't and tech handles, you can still do it. So, with that thought in mind, trademarks, patents and copyrights, exist so people can be greedy and not share their creations for everyone to improve on allowing humanity to attain that end goal faster. This is stupid. Hell, we might be living on other planets already if it wasn't for trademarks and patents.
  • FreddieD, on 07/02/2009, -0/+10Even if they went after every single usenet provider in the US, people would just pay for a usenet provider that is in a different country.
  • ChileanGoD, on 07/01/2009, -1/+10The pirate bay... and now this.
  • excitive, on 07/01/2009, -0/+9Values have to be reasonable. What about 199 bucks for an Audio CD and 299-499 for a DVD? That's what being "legal" costs in my country. And that too even for movies and music that is ought to be forgotten in a month. Things are improving now, though.
  • djmgpsp, on 07/01/2009, -0/+9Seriously RIAA, stop screwing over the little guy in favour of littler guys like Bono
  • BigmasterJay, on 07/02/2009, -0/+9I have an Ipod and I use to buy music on a weekly basis. Now the madness of the RIAA has grown out of control so I boycott every label they represent. Get the word out and anyone who is tired of this garbage should join the fight.

    Just sayin
  • inactive, on 07/02/2009, -0/+8RIAA, Scientology, MPAA, and dog hating cops... ***** 'em.
  • bdbr, on 07/02/2009, -1/+9I recently had checked out a CD from the library and liked it, and was going to buy it. But its a major label (Dreamworks) so ***** that. I bought a CD from a non-RIAA label (The Worker's Institute) because of all this ***** the RIAA has been pulling. If the major labels want to know why their sales are slumping, they should realize their behavior isn't helping. People are still buying music; just some of us aren't buying it from THEM.
  • christoast, on 07/02/2009, -0/+8You obviously don't dumb *****. Don't talk.

    Here you go: http://tinyurl.com/ms72c7
  • MidnightTide, on 07/01/2009, -0/+7damn, they are going for blood arn't they - too ***** bad, we still will download for free...
  • ozydingo, on 07/01/2009, -3/+10You must love your life.
  • cmikesell, on 07/02/2009, -0/+7Because it's backbone NNTP, a very similar protocol to smtp. Because it's not a peer to peer network. When you send a message to your usenet provider, it replicates out to a multitude of other NNTP servers which then replicate out to a multitude of other NNTP servers. Saying usenet is stoppable is like saying the internet is stoppable.

    In theory yes, you could take down usenet, but it would be just as easy as taking down the internet.
  • inactive, on 07/02/2009, -0/+6No. All usenet providers are NOT in trouble. Usenet.com is one of the millions of usenet providers (such as giganews, etc. ). This article is very poorly worded.
  • FreddieD, on 07/02/2009, -0/+6No, time to use one of a million other usenet providers, many of which aren't in the USA.
  • Lunarsight, on 07/02/2009, -0/+6@Lendon - It will be a cold day in hell before I purchase another album from a RIAA-affiliated label.

    @TGC - I agree. I think the "***** The RIAA" crowd would benefit just boycotting their music outright. The pirating just gives the RIAA a cheap method of earning a ridiculously exorbitant sum of money. However, as of right now, they still can't sue you for choosing to not listen to their crap.

  • inactive, on 07/02/2009, -0/+5I am disappoint.
  • bdbr, on 07/02/2009, -0/+5Yes, but aren't usenet providers going to be more unlikely to provide binary groups if they risk being sued? Many ISPs have already dropped binaries.
  • acknotSW, on 07/02/2009, -0/+5They are desperate. They know they can't maintain the same profit margins they enjoy when they control the production, marketing, and distribution of their product. The internet has obliterated the need for production and distribution and is eroding the need for marketing. They can't exist as they are in a world where any auditory or visual content can be easily replicated an infinite number of times and sent anywhere in the world in seconds.
  • nobeatnokill, on 07/01/2009, -3/+8WHY PIRATE BAY WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
  • TDDebug, on 07/01/2009, -0/+5wow..
  • FreddieD, on 07/02/2009, -0/+5I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.
  • Yage2006, on 07/02/2009, -0/+5Ya vote with your wallet stop supporting them.
  • damack, on 07/02/2009, -0/+4Yes because everybody knows the RIAA is never heavy handed and they are just going for this particular organisation and then after that they will stop and not pursue Usenet groups further.

    Take your head out of your ass from your posting history it's not hard to tell your an RIAA and MPAA shill. They are not doing you any favours so grow a pair and stand up for those without dozens of multi million dollar lawyers.
  • damack, on 07/02/2009, -1/+5Well said but you forget the RIAA and MPAA have enough sway to go for pretty big organisations if they set their sights on a small company it's pretty much a matter of time before they re-appeal enough times to get a favourable decision.

    The RIAA and MPAA will go at you till they win or till you don't have enough money to pay for lawsuits and go bankrupt. Once the hounds were set on the website it really didn't matter what Usenet.com did they were pretty much screwed.

    The RIAA and MPAA can bend law at times and get ridiculous decisions from judges and it seems like the judges loving voting in favour of big fancy corporations while ***** your average consumer in the ass.

    This is all getting past ludicrous now.
  • tgc1, on 07/02/2009, -0/+3Yes, but they can just continue to sue people on the evidence, however coincidental, that CD sales are dwindling. Thus they can conclude that it is due to piracy. Hence the courts become sympathetic and with a few greased palms here and there, they get their judgments and settlements.
  • quickname, on 07/02/2009, -0/+3you can find a more detailed article here http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10276607-93.html
    this article makes it seem like all usenet providers are in trouble... Can anyone clarify?
  • inactive, on 07/02/2009, -0/+3ISP's are shutting down their own usenet servers. They pretty much can't block usenet because it relies on the NNTP protocol which is on a commonly used port. It would be like blocking all FTP access on port 22. Also, they cant prove that users are using it for copyright infringement because almost all decent usenet servers support encryption. Use it.
  • acknotSW, on 07/02/2009, -1/+3I agree with your point, even if I dispute the living on other planets part. There will always be a need for some humans to work, but it will be mainly cognitive type jobs. Manual labor will all but disappear in the coming decades and society will fragment into those that want to work and are able to find a job and those that just want to enjoy life pursuing their own interests. There will still be haves and have nots, but the poorest of the have nots will enjoy a level of comfort that a middle class family of today isn't able to obtain. Roughly 25 to 50 years is my guess for achieving this state.
  • MyMainMan, on 07/02/2009, -0/+2Yes usenet.com, not usenet in itself was sued. But the problem is that they base their service on the usenet protocol. This could lead to the RIAA making the same claims from any usenet provider. As it is said, many ISP;s are also shutting down usenet access. This will indirectly hinder the usenet protocol. What's next? Lawmakers actually contemplating filtering of protocols that can be used for illegal file sharing activities? It has been done already, but has so far been declared as illegal. But I guess it will only take a certain amount of lobbying by RIAA/MPAA to make filtering by ISP;s legal.
  • antdude, on 07/01/2009, -4/+6Subscribe to a NSP then.
  • Lunarsight, on 07/02/2009, -0/+2You cut off their tentacles by boycotting the wares of their parent companies.

    There are plenty of musicians out there willingly giving away their music for free (on sites like Jamendo and Last FM). What if people were to support them instead of the major record labels?

    The quality is about the same as what you'd get from a major record label.

    Sure, there is plenty of sucky 'free' music, but there is also plenty of sucky music from major record labels. At least with the former, you're not out $12-$15 before you find out it sucks.



  • roar1234, on 07/02/2009, -0/+2Do you? explain if you do and explain how it's not unstoppable. not trying to be a jerk just really want to know, i'm trying to get into usenet and from what i know so far at least it would be unstoppable...
  • Lunarsight, on 07/02/2009, -0/+2Bigmaster: Go with the riaaradar.com site. It's not foolproof, but it can help to distinguish between the RIAA labels and the non-RIAA ones.

    All my music purchases as of late have been directed towards the non-RIAA labels.

    The other thing I always suggest - if you absolutely need to have an album from a band on a major label, why not at least get a used copy of it? Not only can you end up saving some money on the price, but the parent label isn't going to make any money from the resale.

  • inactive, on 07/02/2009, -0/+2They just want a monopoly
  • sooperdooper, on 07/02/2009, -0/+1I agree that post-scarcity economic models render the work-to-survive mode unnecessary. I agree that intellectual property laws hold society back. However, I doubt that the majority of the world's population will benefit from mass automation, especially while people are still divided into economic classes (or haves and have-nots, if you prefer). It'd be nice if you futurists turned your eyes South once in a while, or at least took neocolonialism into account.
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