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- Miniman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+144Limewire doesnt do anything illegal, the people using it do.
- atbnet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+108No it's common knowledge the RIAA uses a dart board with numbers to decide what to sue people for.
- skifreak107, on 10/12/2007, -1/+102How can they justify charging 150k per occurence of an illegally traded file? Do they just get to make up a number?
- eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -2/+94From limewire.com:
What happens if I commit copyright infringement?
Your activities on peer-to-peer networks such as LimeWire's may be monitored by copyright owners. By committing copyright infringement your risks include significant settlement fees if you are sued. Copyright owners have sued thousands of people for online copyright infringement. Don't be the next one! - venir, on 10/12/2007, -2/+93It was only a matter of time before this happened. This isn't going to do much to stop piracy however, all the LimeWire users will probably just switch to BitTorrent anyway.
- borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -0/+88doesn't limewire have an agreement you have to check saying you could do illegal ***** but you shouldn't? How could they lose?
- zweben, on 10/12/2007, -0/+87Logic has never stopped the RIAA before. Why start now?
- samdu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+84Please, mIRC is a client. IRC is the underlying tech and has been around for a LOT longer. That said, I can't imagine that the RIAA will get the $150,000 in damages per instance that they're seeking. What are these people going to do when they run out of sueable providers? Die like they should? Change to adjust to the current reality (fat chance)? Ugh. This is beginning to look sad.
- ScrollMaker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+80In other news, public libraries are now being sued for aiding in the distribution of copyrighted works.
- Noah0504, on 10/12/2007, -0/+75"'...including $150,000(!) per occurrence of an illegally traded file.'"
haha, I bet that total doesn't even exist in monetary form! - Classicgamer, on 10/12/2007, -5/+79Just note that they are suing LimeWire. LimeWire is a company that makes the client LimeWire. Now since LimeWire uses the Gnutella protocol, people can just switch to FrostWire (http://www.frostwire.com/) which looks very similar to LimeWire and uses the same Gnutella network. Killing LimeWire doesn't mean a thing since it's just a company that makes a popular client for a popular P2P protocol that a lot of other P2P sharing apps use (FrostWire, Shareaza, iMesh, BearShare, etc)
- hurtz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+74Dear RIAA,
***** you.
Love,
hurtz - DangerMouse9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+69Do you honestly think that the artists are even going to see 1 penny of that money, even if the RIAA won the full amount for every single song downloaded/uploaded by each individual?
- samdu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+66Because putting a disclaimer in an EULA doesn't actually protect you legally.
- skifreak107, on 10/12/2007, -0/+52Assuming 1000 files traded per minute (no idea how close this is)... thats....
$216,000,000,000 per day.
Are they serious?? - KnightMareInc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+46If I memorize a song will the riaa sue me?
- somnus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+44Do they honestly think that is a realistic number? Shouldn't it be based on the value of the song/file traded? If they want to get their money back, shouldn't they be going after $1-$2 per file illegally traded? Even 100x that "loss" is only $200. Where the hell do they pull these numbers from? Wait. Don't tell me. I don't want to know.
- ho0ber, on 10/12/2007, -2/+45As much as I'd love to spite (or smite) those ladies and their crappy music, you and I both know it is unlikely they'd see a dime the money from this suit.
- borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -2/+42ur stupid kozie. If people sell cocain to other people in a library do you sure the library? of course not. Limewire doesn't provide copyrighted stuff it just provides a means for transfering the stuff. You could also use email, AIM and ipods.
- SnakeO, on 10/12/2007, -2/+39Jesus christ we get it already. no more metaphors
- szelij, on 10/12/2007, -4/+38Well you can't squeeze blood from a stone. What they will probably get is a settlement from Limewire. The most that Limewire can do is a long-drawn trial that will piss them off and when the verdict comes, and if it is guilty-the compensation given won't matter because they won't have much left.
The Limewire execs should start buying frivolous things. - mikevickrocks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+34Ha, this was in the comments at the article.
http://img.sheezyart.com/art/swf/82/821125.swf - noneloud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32I'm pretty sure the idea of the ridiculously high prices isn't intended to be paid back, it's to try and crush Limewire into bankruptcy. They don't want money; they already have tons of money. Since the RIAA is only a front for the record companies they represent, they desire mostly to maintain the aura that they are in control and that they are doing their job in representing those companies.
They want to crush Limewire outright. The money means nothing to them, and I'm pretty sure the reason why the money means nothing is because they know they wern't going to sell those songs on their own terms anyway. - championchap, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31"but bittorent doesn't have as much music as limewire...:(."
I think its much better actually, if i go after an artist on limewire (an album i already own OF COURSE!) i can find a fairly assorted collection of songs.. but tracking down every song in an album can take a little time.
With bit torrent, more often than not you will find that the whole album has been upped, which i much prefer. - bigdoug2005, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29I like the LimeWire ad at the top of the page
Lime 8.2 Version™ - Free
Music, Movies & Games - All Free Latest Free Version Now Available!
LimeWire.FreeDownloadSpace.com - Darth_tater, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28unfortunately they are
- BugMeNot2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29Knowing the RIAA, yes.
- colinmhayes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27my TI-89 gave me a dirty look when I fed it that number, and then popped out an infinity symbol.
- samdu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27Well, except that copyright violation isn't "stealing."
- Dragular, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27kozie, a good but screwed up attempt at a point. This would be more like you giving away needles and then getting thrown in jail because someone used one of your needles to shoot heroin.
- BrockLee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24Where have you been? Remember Napster? Remember Grokster? Remember Kazaa?
Do you remember the unaminous Supreme Court Decision against Grokster in MGM Studios, Inc. v. Grokster, Ltd.? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25Sure it does -
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ - scrubadub, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30"Why make trillions when we can make...billions?"
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Austin_Powers - Plezops, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26if you are anywere close to correct (not saying you arnt, theres a total possiblity to have the many files per minute) $216,000,000,000 per day would be $1,512,000,000,000 per week, which would be $551,880,000,000,000 per year, multiplied by the years Limewire has been around (~6) is equal to $3,311,280,000,000,000 (quad-rillion) in fines, if they traded 1000 songs per minute, which even if they didnt theres still no ***** way they could pay the fine.
FYI: in 1990 there was about 296 million in paper money and 3.3 billion in non-paper money.
Sucks for Limewire :) - renegadeafk, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24What the RIAA is doing is pathetic, it's there own fault people pirate music, because of overpriced cd's and drm's, some people just do it because they don't like the RIAA, there efforts are futile, new p2p networks and applicatiions will spring up.
- TechnoGuyRob, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24Guns don't kill. People do.
- fauxXenophanes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20If you remove Limewire AND bitTorrent immediatley, we still have millions of PC's online, many connected by broadband. Isn't that state inherently conducive to sharing? The P2P's that facilitate the sharing will always be transitory, the internet is your hard drive and the program used to share is trivial.
- Tobey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Yeah... hurtz's was better. It was short and to the point. Plus there was an unexpected twist half way through, and then it twisted around again at the end there. His comment just pulled me in so many directions emotionally. I laughed, I cried. It was beautiful.
- vixenk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19That's not an ad put out by Limewire but one of those "we charge you to download otherwise free software" sites.
- theenginedriver, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22@walterd
I know of at least two bittorrent music communities where you can get nearly anything you want. - skidzilla, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19That they're suing Limewire (the company) doesn't really matter, since the sourcecode is freely available, Limewire (the software) will live on. You can browse the SVN here: https://www.limewire.org/fisheye/viewrep/limecvs
There's also at least one other fully open-source client I know of, the excellent GtkGnutella ; http://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/ . - TheDarkTipper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17I remember back in the day when Kevin Rose recommended on The Screensavers to use Limewire, since it was one of the lesser known P2P services. Not so much now.
- JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Well... if you sell off a little land... like maybe the entire eastern hemisphere... you might come close...
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Or...... Lets all sue Al Gore for inventing the internet, if thats the logic they use in this case....
- skidzilla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Yup; and they'll take your firstborn child too.
- TimDigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Water is wet, The sky is blue, grass is green, the riaa sues somebody
- LeftHandedPants, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16@ walterd93 : "but bittorent doesn't have as much music as limewire...:("
...it will if 'everyone' moves to bittorrent. - dignation, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15@TechnoGuyRob
"Guns Don't Kill, People Do"
Are you meaning to use that as an example of why limewire shouldn't be sued? If so, its perfect :) - combatchuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14As long as you don't whistle or hum the tune, you shouldn't have to pay too many royalties.
- xXShadowstormXx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15This is pathetic. But it was bound to happen. I mean, look at the people they have sued (from Wiki):
The RIAA has been criticised in the media after they subpoenaed Gertrude Walton, an 83-year-old grandmother who had died in December of 2004 [23]. Mrs. Walton stood accused of swapping rock, pop and rap songs. The RIAA in 2003 attempted to sue Sarah Seabury Ward, a 66 year-old sculptor residing in Boston, Massachusetts. They alleged that she shared more than 2,000 songs illegally. The RIAA dropped the suit when it was discovered that she was a computer novice. The case was dismissed, but without prejudice.
The RIAA has also been criticised for bringing lawsuits against children, such as 12 year old Brianna LaHara in 2003 [24]. The RIAA also attempted to sue Candy Chan of Michigan, for the alleged actions of her daughter, 13 year old Brittany Chan. The court dismissed Priority Records v. Chan [25] because it was ruled that the mother could not be sued for the alleged infringements of her daughter. [26] When the court ruled in favor of the mother, dismissing the case, the RIAA proceeded to sue her child. However, prosecuting a minor is more difficult, and many previous adult defendants have said that the P2P software installation and copyright infringement was done without their knowledge by one of their children.
And on a related note:
The RIAA's recent targeting of students has generated controversy as well. An April 4th story in the MIT campus newspaper The Tech indicates that an RIAA representative stated to Cassi Hunt, an alleged file-sharer, that previously, "the RIAA has been known to suggest that students drop out of college or go to community college in order to be able to afford settlements."[27]
Is that PATHETIC or what?! RIAA/MPAA needs to die.
The world would be a better place. -
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