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- maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -6/+130I wish these countries would tell us to shove it up our asses, instead of bending over and taking it in theirs.
- Quash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+66And Proof that U.S. Gov't Involved in AllofMP3.com attacks: (couldn't fit this in my submission, above)
* note this article about Pirate Bay and AllofMP.com made the front page of the Washington Post!
"Moscow began an investigation of Allofmp3.com, dropped it, then picked it back up again after U.S. pressure was applied, said RIAA Executive Vice President Neil Turkowitz, who has traveled several times to Russia and filed criminal complaints with prosecutors there about the site.
"The Russian government is aware of all really existing problems in the [intellectual property] sphere and makes active efforts to solve them step-by-step," the Russian Ministry of Economic Development and Trade wrote in an April paper translated into English. "We will undertake a complex of additional measures in [the intellectual property] sphere in the nearest future with the intention to speed up the work in this sphere."
Two e-mails to the site administrator of Allofmp3.com went unanswered.
Assistant U.S. Trade Representative Espinel said shutting down Allofmp3.com "is right at the top of the agenda. This is a top-priority issue in terms of our discussion with Russia and the WTO."" -WP - nblsavage, on 10/12/2007, -6/+61To those who think the U.S. is justified in their actions..keep in mind that both AllOfMP3 and PB are LEGAL in their respective countries. I know there are a lot of things that are legal in the U.S. that are illegal in other countries. Right now the U.S. can get away with it because we have "the bigger guns" but you'd better hope we're not doing anything that China gets too pissed about.
- DDRSkata, on 10/12/2007, -4/+58Trying to protect their rights by illegally conspiring to seize their servers and shut down their website? Yeah, if that's protecting my rights, I think I can handle myself, thanks.
- puffarthur, on 10/12/2007, -2/+51I like how on their homepage, they have a little image link saying "The Pirate Shop: Now shipping to the White House"
- elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+48Maiku wins the "best metaphor of the day" award.
- eridius, on 10/12/2007, -5/+42The WTO should be fining the US for being so bloody stupid and listening to the RIAA and MPAA desperately trying to protect their outdated business model by screwing the consumer.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+39@akinder: like it or not, ethically the only rights which may reasonably be valid across international borders are the inalienable human ones---not the righteous capitalistic ones.
This is of course not to say that there's anything inherently wrong with capitalism. It is to say rather that there is something very, very wrong with the United States attempting to control what is and is not legal within any country but itself. This is not about protecting anyone's rights--this is about domination, period. - CUBApete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+31"Kazaa -- once the most popular of them and a hard target of the music industry -- has half as many users as it did at its peak three years ago, thanks in part to the music industry's lawsuit and education campaign."
I think they meant to say that people wised-up and realized it was full of crapware, and then switched to other networks. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32@geekee: exactly who is profiting from the copyright infringement which is helped along by Pirate Bay? It seems to me that lots and lots of people are getting to watch movies for nothing (rather than pay 14 dollars in NYC per person to see a first run)---but that's not the same thing as copyright infringement for profit. And neither the RIAA nor the MPAA has been able to supply proof that bit-torrent downloads are in any way affecting their profits. I'm sure someone is going to come up with the example of all of the crappy-quality physical DVD's being sold on the streets of large cities all over the world for a profit....but note that these DVDs are almost exclusively NOT made from bittorrent downloads. They're made from first-tier recordings of the movies in question; recordings that generally do not themselves ever make it to bittorrent sites.
Not to say of course that their profits actually are unaffected, merely to say that among all the yelling and screaming about money being lost, not one drop of solid, objective evidence has been supplied showing this to be the case.
It kind of reminds me of what microsoft said in the early 90s about people pirating their software. About 80% of the cost of windows at the time, they said, was inflationary to cover their cost of pirating. We're all paying the price for stolen copies of windows, they said. Then just a few years ago when they claimed to have cut windows pirating by more than 70% with their nifty anti-pirating schemes, they neglected to reduce the cost of their software to account for it.
Huh. Its almost like they were lying. - Munionhunter, on 10/12/2007, -10/+39And hence the reason why pirates will always be better than ninjaz!!!!!!
*mod me down mofo's - dw2005, on 10/12/2007, -7/+36The US Govt should invest in MYOB
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32I'd love to see them shut down allofmp3.com, and open allofflac.com, allofwav.com, allofogg.com..
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31Rights are NOT granted by a government; they are CLAIMED/DEMANDED by the people.
- ozydingo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26Even better....do a tracert on piratebay.org. Actually I'll save you the trouble, the final hop reveals the servername to be hey.mpaa.and.apb.bite.my.shiny.metal.ass.thepiratebay.org
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+31You don't have the "right" to make a profit. You don't have the "right" to have copyright protection. It exists, but it is not a right. Much like vehicles and driving.
- puffarthur, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26they may have the right to do so, but we don't have to like it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27I use TPB to find older torrents.. And I've never "stolen" anything using that website. I've violated copyright by making unauthorized copies, but I've never stolen a damn thing.
- aristofeles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21" * note this article about Pirate Bay and AllofMP.com made the front page of the Washington Post!"
So in the end, one site is laughing on them, and the other just doesn't care. And now every Joe User knows the address.
Makes me wonder who the hell works on the MPAA/RIAA marketing... - chess007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20
Laws are different in different countries. We shouldn't mettle in another country for business as trival as this. In Russia, allofmp3 is legal. In sweden thepiratebay is legal.
In Canada marijuana is legal. In the u.s.a. it is not. Should the U.S.A. send drug enforcement agents to Canada and arrest people?? Or compel Canada to arrest people for doing something that is LEGAL in Canada??
This is how much "sense" it makes for the u.s.a to mess with allofmp3.com and thepiratebay.org - Falconwing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Wow, a troll if I ever saw one. Wtf, I'll bite.
Lemme put it this way: If the values pitted against each other are copyrights of foreign works vs. the civil rights and privacy of our own citizens, then the copyrights lose out. Big time. Just like it should be.
At least, that's what we're making happen.
Not that it matters if the copyrights are foreign, btw. But just to respond to your specific point. - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Is there some fund we can contribute to reward a civic-minded member of the Russian mafia who decided to rid the world of the next MPAA/RIAA scum that sets foot in Moscow?
- dbpigeon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19http://tinyurl.com/zwl4m
- bebop717, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17July 4th celebrate your independence and download music.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18@MatttK: And Digg is profiting from the discussion of the alleged profit of Pirate Bay from the copyright infringement helped along by themselves---AND Digg is actively sending even more people to Pirate Bay, which will in turn increase their alleged profit from the copyright infringement helped along by themselves.
Damn, I just helped Digg do that. And so did you. - nblsavage, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Maybe...in the U.S. We have no business telling other countries to enforce OUR laws.
- hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14The RIAA is actually making it worse for themselves by declaring openly that the U.S. got involved. On the one hand, it's easier to allow your sovereignty to be messed with if it isn't out in the public, on the other hand, it's easier for things to continue to go your way if there's the appearance that others actually believe what you do as opposed to having to be force to go your way.
- bash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14It IS news. All we had was the Pirate Party's word for it that the U.S. shut 'em down, and for the record it was a good theory but no proof backing it up. NOW we have the smoking gun.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16MatttK: I draw the line here: The torrents themselves are not illegal. Downloading the files that the torrents point to is often illegal in many countries, but not in all of them. The Pirate Bay is not engaging in copyright infringement of any kind---they're simply enabling other people to do so if they wish.
And thats the key: if they wish. Everyone is bound only by the laws of the country in which they live. If a person knowingly breaks a copyright by watching a movie for free that they downloaded from a torrent they got off of Pirate Bay, then thats THEIR issue and THEIR "crime".
Should Anheuser Busch be held responsible because their beer makes people stupid and dangerous? - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14macemoneta is correct. Under the U.S. system, the government is granted specified powers by the people. Any government action outside those specified powers is illegitimate.
The U.S. government has become an uncoltrolled leviathan. It needs to be cut to at least half the present size, and the number of armed federal police should be sharply reduced, too. When the Founders invented the U.S., they created no authority at all for federal police outside of federal reservations and custom houses. - wlloydda, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16The article is full of incorrect nonsense. DVD sales are falling because they are running out of quality content to sell, so watch for this "war against sharing" to really heat up.
Meanwhile, sharing is increasing at an ever increasing rate.
Share - Share - Share - Share - Share - Share - Share - Share
Long live all Pirates everywhere! - MrObjectional, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Bah. The Pirate Bay wasn't doing anything illegally, and have only made the Swedish Police and the MPAA like like idiots. It's time some of these industry-lobbied representatives got a taste of the humiliation.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I agree completely. So much so that I posted this story eight days ago. From the original Swedish source.
http://digg.com/movies/US_government_behind_Pirate_Bay_raid
Oh shut up. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13don't be a leech
it would be one thing if we were stealing physical product. but this is the equivelant of photocopying a book at the library. no one is losing anything. sharing information (yes, that's what mp3's are) should never be banned. - sammykrupa, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18Why are you guys modding this guy down? Because you don't agree with him? Great reason, really.
He isn't spamming, trolling, being offensive, being abusive, and his comment is short and sweet.
Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you don't listen. - JeffD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Marijuanna is not (yet) legal in Canada.
Sigh. - aaryn, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15Off topic but can anyone link me to the search plugin for TPB for Firefox?
- bebop717, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Cheap pharmaceuticals? Americans pay more for medication than almost anyone in the world.
PB did nothing wrong they simply told people where to find the files they did not house them, unlike napster. It's like suing a phone book maker because they are advertising where to find guns.
Besides American laws about file trading do not apply to Sweden. And no Swedish laws are being violated.
Glad they are back. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9please, just..... think before you speak.
- swoosh_bnd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I hate it when they overestimate the effect that piracy has on the market. Like in the article they say that some "U.S. companies lose as much as $250 billion per year to Internet pirates". That isn't even close to being true. It seems like they always assume that every download is a missed sale. Most people only watch some things because they are free and would never purchase the product if they had to pay for it.
- JeffD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Breaking the law is not always a bad thing. Unjust laws SHOULD be broken as often and as openly as possible by all responsibal citizens in order to highlight how obsurd they really are.
- cambrown99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Because shutting down torrent sites is the most important issue facing the United States these days...
- Aquinas315, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@Matttk
"I think we all know that The Pirate Bay's reason to be is to facilitate the sharing of files, many of which are copyrighted."
The Pirate Bay is a tracker, while they may be facilitating the sharing of copyrighted files, wouldn't every DNS server between the torrent user and the pirate bay also be facilitating that infringment... and AT&T or Verizon or whatever company whose lines the internet traffic travels through between said client and TPB's servers...
They want to fight, but they can't win unless they put such companies out of business as well. - Ryland, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Proof? Was there ever any doubt that the U.S. government was involved?
- perseon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Dan Glickman, president of the MPAA, confirmed that his group had asked Sweden to toughen its laws on intellectual property theft.
"What we do is look around the world to look if laws need to be improved, then we make suggestions," Glickman said....As for the backlash, Glickman said, "Yes, I'm sure the pirates in Sweden are upset."
I just thought the second paragraph sounded... interesting. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6***** the US Government, why the hell should they decide who enters the WTO, it should be a ***** 'world' decision.
If they tried dealing with the 'problem' (I don't see it as one, but what the hell I'm pirating software as we speak!) in a decent way the overpriced entertainment industry might start seeing some revenue again - jjesusfreak01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Actually, more like...people found out it was full of adware and that it was easy to get sued using it, while if you are a leech or are using anonymous software, torrents are great and safe.
- zimm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5the us goverment better start sucking up to the pirates now.
since its getting very likely they will win in swedens next elections. - BGOATdoughnut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5God knows the U.S. has no homeless problem. So lets go after one of a thousand torrents sites.
P.S. I am happy to say I haven't watched a movie for the last 3 years, legal or illegally. Sequels and re-makes suck. -
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