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- buddhistMonkey, on 12/05/2007, -1/+34Well, they can "target" the iPod all they want, but I don't think they're going to hit the target. "Comes With Music" tracks (what a God-awful name) are DRMed with PlaysForSure, which sure doesn't play on an iPod, or even a Zune. Want to burn those tracks to a CD? You'll have to upgrade your "free" license, on a per-song basis. So maybe they should call it "Comes With PlaysForSure SRM-Laden Music Which Must Be Upgraded To Burn To A Disc." That's almost an improvement on their current name.
- ericdano, on 12/05/2007, -0/+19Inaccurate.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/05/nokias-free-com ...
Fees, DRM, it's all there. - bobthedino, on 12/05/2007, -0/+12It sucks. Hard.
From Ars: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071204-noki ... - drlha, on 12/05/2007, -2/+13I like this comment: “We set out to create the music experience that people are telling us they are looking for - all the music they want in the form of unlimited downloads to their mobile device and PC".
If this were true, then how come all the subscription based music services are doing so poorly?
People want to buy their music, they don't want to rent it - and it needs to be DRM free. Free music for a year,might sound great, but its still DRMed no matter how long you get to keep it. - noahhoward, on 12/05/2007, -1/+10All of this showboating when the record industries could just stop restricting their music instead of trying to shut down Apple by giving it away anyway.
Universal, if you have realised it will take free music to stop Apple from influencing the consumer and stop people from pirating music, why not just play fair like we all want? - Balanced, on 12/05/2007, -0/+7Presumably the idea is you don't need an iPod with one of these, since you can carry it all on your phone. I'm just curious how Universal is making money of this, if they didn't like the deal with iTunes.
(Apparently they get their cash by charging a fee rolled into the phone price. Looks like the article may have a few inaccuracies.) - inactive, on 12/05/2007, -0/+7Nokia is also being charged by Universal an extra five dollars a month for eighteen months, for a total of 90 dollars per device (for rights to the music). If Nokia is being charged that much, who do you think is going to end up paying for it in the long run? That's right, the consumer. It will be included in your service contract and the music is DRMed to hell and back, as many people have already pointed out.
- Mac101, on 12/05/2007, -0/+7Your being sarcastic right? People want to buy music, not rent music. Why do I have to have a subscription to nokia when I Can just go to iTunes and for $0.99 a song I can BUY songs and keep them and burn them to CD or put them on an iPod etc. "Comes with Music" no it doesn't, you have to rent the music first. Nokia sucks anyways.
- EntropyFan, on 12/05/2007, -1/+6Why can't you do both? I like music subscription because i get to try out lots of music without having to pay the retail price.
If I like something, I buy it (I'm old fashioned, I still get the CD).
I don't mind DRM on music I am renting, because it is kind of expected and the only way the retailer can enforce the rental agreement. - aliguana, on 12/05/2007, -0/+5Nokia doesn't suck. And you can BUY the songs.. difference being, you can have them, for free, forever first. Imagine if Apple said "Fill up your 180gig classic with anything from iTMS! Free!". Then you just had to pay for the tracks when you burned them off to CD. All the fanboys would be shouting from the rooftops "Apple RULEZ!" etc. Just because Nokia got there first, no reason to diss them.
- sych0, on 12/05/2007, -1/+5Speak for yourself. I want to rent music. I want to rent the entire "sludge" and "brit pop" playlists off itunes and see if I like them. I want to experiment with new music. I'm not dropping $75 on each genre playlist itunes has, but I would for $15/month. Then if I like the albums, I have the option to buy as entropyfan mentions. I want both.
Subscription models right now are failing because they either 1. suck or 2. dont work on the ipod... Remember? The ipod IS the best selling music player. If there was a subscription service that worked with it, I'd be all over it. - thugok, on 12/05/2007, -0/+4I actually support the use of DRM in this case. Since you are still able to listen, delete and download again until the 12 months are up. If you want DRM free music seek another source, but if you don't need or want to copy to another device or burn to disk then this is a fair use of DRM.
- nicktx, on 12/05/2007, -0/+3My thoughts exactly. DRM has no place in content you purchase but when the content is given for free and is not sponsored by ad revenues then companies are justified to DRM it, especially when it's a perk tied to purchase of a player. I know some people think all music should be given for free but artists have the right to make a living from their work just as customers have the right (morally if not legally) to play the content they purchase on any device they have.
- TurboBeard, on 12/05/2007, -0/+3I know those words, but that phrase doesn't make any sense...
- cleverboy, on 12/05/2007, -0/+3Sucks to be you?
- NinjaPig, on 12/05/2007, -1/+4this would all be great as long as the handset doesn't provide ***** sound quality
honestly the only phones that deliver decent sound quality are the iphone and the high end sony ericssons, and i've tried a lot - RaiderWolf, on 12/05/2007, -0/+3I would like to see the DRM go away completely but it's nice to see they are actually going throug with this idea. I first heard about the idea in the following article and thought it would never happen: http://www.eff.org/wp/better-way-forward-voluntary ...
That was over 3 years ago. Now if they'd just keep in mind that friends don't let friends use DRM. :-/ - lynx44, on 12/05/2007, -1/+4While I hate DRM when I pay for the music, this doesn't seem like such a bad deal to me. You get all the music you want included in the price of the phone, so basically, as long as you have the phone you have free music. If this is included on all of their phones in the future, you should technically just be able to transfer the music over and continue listening to it. It would be nice if it was DRM free, but since its included in the plan anyway, its basically a way to get free music for your phone. I don't really see why you would be entitled to copying these tracks to any device you own, its clearly a program that is set up to enable people that bought the phone to get music for that phone. If this was a "free ringtone" plan I don't think people would be complaining that they couldn't put them on all of their other devices.
Again, I do hate DRM when its for something I specifically paid for, like an album from iTunes (which I don't support), but if its basically a perk, I don't know that there's much to complain about. - missingnoh4x, on 12/05/2007, -0/+4I looked at the title and immediately thought, "It's DRMed, right?" I was right.
- BurnTees, on 12/05/2007, -1/+4I've heard that this is bigger in Europe than it is here. Overseas, people are more tied to their mobiles for entertainment.
- paintpro, on 12/05/2007, -0/+3DRM... One amazing offer just became craptastic.
- simd, on 12/05/2007, -0/+2Exactly right. Some people want to own music. Others just like listening to the music they currently like. I'm in the latter category, quickly get bored with particular albums / artists, and just love the idea of being able to fill my phone (which is my audio device of choice) with an eclectic mix which suits my mood that day.
If I want to keep something long term, I'll buy the CD so I've a physical purchase. Paying for something electronic, even DRM free, just doesn't feel right to me - I need the album in my sweaty little hands. - CLShortFuse, on 12/05/2007, -0/+2http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/med ...
- Seidoger, on 12/05/2007, -0/+2There had to be a catch, come on, this sounded impossible.
You'd just set your phone to be in continuous download mode, for a year, 24/7? - catalytica, on 12/05/2007, -1/+3aka Nokia "Comes with Windows DRM" phone with free music at $0.01 per Kb download
- inactive, on 12/05/2007, -0/+2still not as good as accessing, um, all the music on ur mbl
http://seeqpod.com/m - superkendall, on 12/06/2007, -0/+1If "alll the music you want" really just comes from a few big labels, then it might seem OK. I seek more variety.
- CLShortFuse, on 12/05/2007, -0/+1Well.. it's not impossible. AT&T gives you "free" unlimited Napster for a year if you have a 2-year wireless contract and have AT&T DSL. Really bundled, not free, but still
- Jeffler, on 12/05/2007, -1/+2http://tinyurl.com/27ucke
- simd, on 12/05/2007, -0/+1There is no way they can rent music without DRM - otherwise there would be no incentive to buy.
I like the rental model, mostly because I'm not a dedicated follower of a particular band or genre of music. - supermanred, on 12/05/2007, -0/+1You are kidding right, this phone doesn't compare to an iPod duct taped to a motorola OR the iPhone.
- Spuy767, on 12/05/2007, -1/+2They're not making any money with this, they're merely trying to break the grip that Apple has on the Digital music market so they can start ***** consumers in the ***** again.
- simd, on 12/05/2007, -0/+1Where is here?
But you're right - I love music on my mobile. Can't see the point in two devices to charge / sync / carry around. - EtherGnat, on 12/05/2007, -0/+1...but you don't get to keep the music when your contract is up.
- sint4x, on 12/05/2007, -0/+1I would rather repay to download non-DRM music, then buy DRM music that lets me download it multiple times.
- Tenoq, on 12/06/2007, -0/+1Wasn't PlaysForSure cracked anyway, and will continue to be cracked? :p
http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_Confirms ... - Chewie67, on 12/05/2007, -0/+1Is that the actual photo of the device?
It's about as sexy as a brick.
There's an article in the current Wired about the head of Universal Music. He's a douche. He wants to get rid of Apple, and came right out and said he doesn't care about the consumer. He only cares about wringing every penny out of the music catalog.
These phones will bomb, but not before they scam a few thousand people into a $100 / month phone bill that's $25 going to Universal. - demesisx, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1Since you seem to have all of the imagination in the world, what would you do?
- wildmannz, on 12/06/2007, -1/+1So - I wonder how much money Nokia pays Universal for this?
And how much more expensive the phone is because the cost is passed on.
I won't be buying a Nokia.
What a stinking idea. Those music execs don't ave much imagination do they? - amida, on 12/05/2007, -1/+1"Free" DRMed music downloaded straight to your phone via a data plan that costs... how much? I bet they screw you with it.
- supermanred, on 12/05/2007, -1/+1Yeah, low quality DRMed music. And you can download as much as you want as long as it fits on your phone. Oh, and guess what? You can't transfer it off your phone to your computer either. Enjoy your 500kb music files on your phone. Lol.
I'll stick with bittorrent and iTunes, they both have quality music. - UbuntuX, on 12/05/2007, -2/+1I wonder if I will be able to tag the music to a GPS map and to a picture. Should be possible.
- disuye, on 12/05/2007, -3/+1Some ppl will get a kick out of this. Personally it feels like yet another 'clutching at straws' moment. Music has no value to consumers anymore; but that's not to say people won't pay to support artist they value.
- isuisorisuaint, on 12/05/2007, -4/+2worst title for a digg submission ever. i has a headache.
- Spuy767, on 12/05/2007, -4/+1True that. I always wanted music that I can't listen to on anything except my phone, especially when said phone doesn't likely hook up to external speakers as easily as the iPhone.
- canthraxp, on 12/05/2007, -4/+1I submitted exactly that thread 1 hour ago:
http://www.digg.com/gadgets/Nokia_s_free_Comes_wit ... - angelina007, on 12/05/2007, -9/+4nokia will defeat iphone with this phone in market.. I love using nokia
- ssjasper2003, on 12/05/2007, -9/+3Im waiting for the next N series phone.
- Minkpancreas, on 12/05/2007, -11/+1Dang sweet.
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