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Nine Inch Nails Frontman Was a Member of OiNK

torrentfreak.com — Following the bust of the OiNK BitTorrent tracker, most of its 180,000 members are keeping their heads down and trying to stay inconspicuous. However, Trent Reznor, frontman of Nine Inch Nails isn’t worried: “I had an account there” he said. “it was like the world’s greatest record store.”

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  • LuckyEMS, on 11/08/2007, -10/+229just proves that piracy is everywhere and everyone does it and can never be stopped
  • treed, on 11/03/2007, -0/+173Would explain why OiNK had Year Zero before anyone else.
  • natedouglas, on 11/01/2007, -0/+137Good comments by Reznor:
    “iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don’t feel cool when I go there. I’m tired of seeing John Mayer’s face pop up. I feel like I’m being hustled when I visit there, and I don’t think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc.”

    As countless others have said, countereconomics is the way to teach the industry a lesson. Create a black market with extremely good value, and they'll have to compete just to survive. Maybe in the next 20-30 years they'll realize that they can't hope to sue out of existence, and will give up and charge a reasonable price for music.
  • xStereo, on 11/02/2007, -14/+138Exactly, I really like that a lot of muscians are embracing piracy and the ideas of it lately.
  • Arkavus, on 11/02/2007, -2/+86They always have been. Artists rarely make their fortunes on CD sales alone.
  • Typhoon2009, on 11/01/2007, -0/+80Get me 320Kbps audio at decent prices with no DRM and you've got yourself a customer.
  • banq59, on 11/02/2007, -1/+58Trent is the man.
  • KingAwesome, on 11/01/2007, -2/+51These 2 paragraphs are also great:

    The quality uploaders at OiNK get a mention too: “People on those boards, they’re grateful for the person that uploaded it — they’re the hero. They’re not stealing it because they’re going to make money off of it; they’re stealing it because they love the band.”

    Underlining the fact that sometimes people pirate because they aren’t getting what they want from the music labels, Trent finishes up: “I’m not saying that I think OiNK is morally correct, but I do know that it existed because it filled a void of what people want.”

    That's the point... these sites are there because there is a void. The RIAA backed music industry is unwilling to change, and is dead set with it's old-school business model and refuses to give the consumers what they want.
  • thinkingserious, on 11/01/2007, -20/+53The concerts are becomming the new profit center for artists.
  • PricklySponge, on 11/02/2007, -2/+34What a badass
  • Tetraca, on 11/01/2007, -1/+28Oh it can be stopped, but not in a way in which either the artists or RIAA would win. If music was free in both senses of the word it could never be truly pirated.
  • zmjone2992, on 11/01/2007, -0/+22The cd was awesome though, it like changed when you played it. very cool stuff
  • MrNexus, on 11/01/2007, -3/+25you're a fool
  • sathias, on 11/01/2007, -0/+22Trent recently got very pissed off at his record label for charging 35 dollars or something ridiculous for his new CD here in Australia, they told him the reason for the high price was that NIN fans would pay whatever they wanted to get his new CD, being very dedicated fans. So during a concert here in Australia, he encouraged fans to steal his own music.

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/web/steal-music-nail ...
  • Firehed, on 11/01/2007, -0/+22Amazon's MP3 store gets you most of the way there. 89c for most tracks seems pretty fair, and it's all DRM-free 256kbps MP3. I'd prefer 320k or lossless mostly out of principle (I can't hear the difference, and frankly don't want to or I'd have a lot of CDs that need to be re-ripped), but it's a pretty fair system. Yeah, I'd love 5-cent AllOfMP3 tracks too, but most tracks have more entertainment value than a movie or TV show considering the number of times you'll play them, so in terms of cost/time, they're a great value.
  • bigfloppydonkey, on 11/01/2007, -2/+21You're a towel.
  • badenglishihave, on 11/01/2007, -7/+25I hope he didn't share any music from Prince or he's gonna have one pissed off "artist" on his doorstep in the near future.

    Good for you Trent, rock on (even if I don't especially enjoy your music)
  • heavyal, on 11/02/2007, -1/+19Then Mr. Trent would be wrong. Theft is the taking of property from another there by preventing the owner from its use. Copying 1's and 0's from one location to another does not deprive the owner of the original piece of property. While this could be argued as infringement of copyright, it is most certainly not theft.
  • natedouglas, on 11/01/2007, -2/+20Wrong :-D
  • Bklynadam, on 11/01/2007, -1/+18Concerts are the new profit center for ticket scalpers
  • Nostromo13, on 11/01/2007, -3/+19yup, it was the world's greatest record store (because it was free)
  • dcharti, on 11/02/2007, -0/+14None of this answers the questions of how bands are going to get their start, get promoted, get in front of people or where they'll get all the money to record their album(s). I love getting things for free as much as the next guy, and piracy is fun and all, but at the end of the day someone needs to pay for all these things. Right now that someone is the record label, unless budding garage bands have a few hundred thousand (or million) dollars stuffed away. The few success stories from MySpace and Facebook are great, but the music landscape is made up of a helluva lot more bands than those lucky few.

    Trent's fortunate because he gets to say this stuff and rally support from his fans against the very industry that gave him his start and all the money to get where he is today. Again, I'm not a fan of the labels; I'd jump at the chance to kick the execs of everyone of of then squarely in the nuts. But the fact still remains that being a successful band is a two part process: selling a lot of records and selling a lot of concerts. Someone has to be there to supply a lot of money up front to help a band get off the ground, and unfortunately, that someone is still the record labels.

    What I'd like to see are some of these musicians like Reznor who are breaking ranks start up a record label by artists, for artists. Pool some of their money, bring some fresh practices to the industry, sign some new bands and truly make a change.

    Then I'll start doing my happy dance.
  • inactive, on 11/01/2007, -1/+15this is basically an article that contains no information other than a summary of an article on the exact same thing that made the front page two days ago.
  • blakeage, on 11/01/2007, -0/+14...I'll get you next time Gadget...next time!
  • pxlpshr, on 09/04/2008, -2/+16Next on Digg: arm-chair music lovers who don't know the difference between Trent Reznor and NiN.
  • strictnein, on 11/01/2007, -0/+13Yep. It had heat sensitive ink. You'd put it in the CD player and it was black. Take it out, and it was white. And there is binary on the CD that spelled out something (a URL or something?).
  • amacinnis, on 11/01/2007, -1/+13Actually, OiNK got Year Zero before anyone else because one of its members figured out a way to rip each song as it was streamed from the NIN website. I was one of the first ones who downloaded it from him, it did wonders for my ratio!
  • santaliqueur, on 11/01/2007, -1/+13Yes, He does. Also, Trent Reznor uses it.
  • Firehed, on 11/03/2007, -0/+12Oh, I wish it wasn't the case. I've seen 300%+ markup from the price listed on the artist's website on occasion. Sorry - as much as I'd like to support the artists by paying to go to their concerts, I'm not paying that much - especially knowing that most of the money isn't going to the artist.

    Hm... that sounds familiar. Seriously, what the hell? CD money goes to the RIAA, and now most concert ticket money goes to the reselling agencies. Would they PLEASE put a mailing address on their website so I can just send a check, or a paypal donation button, or something? I WANT to support artists. But I don't want to support the third-party profiteers, especially when they end up with most of the money.

    Seriously - set up a website, and sell the music there. Or give it away with a donation button. Whatever. Bandwidth is crazy cheap for mass-distribution with Amazon S3 and the like, and you don't need a complicated system. Don't give me the "it pays for the marketing" BS. 95% of the music I've bought/downloaded/sampled has stemmed from a song that was used (almost certainly without permission) in a video clip someone had thrown together. I've found other music that suited my tastes by using that track as a seed in Pandora and browsing through Amazon recommendations. Not through the radio, not through advertising, and certainly not through TV. Through the internet, thanks to stuff that didn't even exist five years ago.
  • revjustin2, on 11/01/2007, -0/+11The "just a publicity stunt" things doesn't really hold water with these two artists. While they did get publicity, I am sure that neither party intended their actions to act only as such. Believe it or not, it is possible to be successful and still have some integrity. You don't see it a lot, but it's possible and in the case of TR and Radiohead, I think they walk the walk.
  • clothmonkey, on 11/01/2007, -0/+11So Lemmy was on OiNK too? Damn!
  • sgtpppr, on 11/01/2007, -0/+10From reading the replies to this comment, I think a lot of you need to go outside more. The only bands that don't make the majority of their money touring are the super over produced pop stars like britney spears and most rappers. Scalpers are a new problem? Where have you been for the past 30 years?
  • CYR1X, on 11/01/2007, -2/+11Hearing this makes me want to just go out and buy a NIN album, even though I've never actually listened to his band particularly.
  • tcasey22, on 11/01/2007, -0/+9Just say Trent Reznor in the title next time.
  • stickywheelz, on 11/02/2007, -2/+11He was referring to the corn vibe he gets when he sees John Mayer and Britney Spears ads everywhere. There is nothing cool about that. And feeling cool actually feels pretty good.
  • GGreen420, on 11/01/2007, -1/+9He's 100% right. Shopping at Sam Goody in the day's of the classic record store was just not hip. It was cold, corporate, they had very limited collections and the staff didn't know anything about music. It was the old school record shops that had the deep stacks, the knowledgeable staff and the 'scene' you were looking for. It wasn't just about 'feeling cool', its about being part of the scene and not just another rube.
  • bmw036, on 11/01/2007, -4/+12He really shouldn't use the word "steal". It's not stealing, it's copyright infringement. These are completely different, regardless of what the RIAA/MPAA would tell you.
  • Magnolit, on 11/01/2007, -2/+9By the way, what torrent site is best for Lossless Album rips?
  • lowerlogic, on 11/03/2007, -0/+7speak for yourself. I'm currently torrenting a cheeseburger and can't wait to print it out on my shinny new nanotube printer. Gonna taste just like the real thing!
  • roflcopterdown, on 11/01/2007, -1/+8Hey, take it easy on Holocaust. That's Alanis Morisette's digg handle. She can't help it, she just doesn't know.
  • chaosium, on 11/01/2007, -4/+11Maynard too?!
  • XXXXXXXXXXXXXX, on 11/02/2007, -1/+8Who the ***** are "a lot of musicians"?
  • purzzzell, on 11/01/2007, -0/+7cite your source.

    and while we're at it, cite who the other artist was that he stole from, and what song - this is the first I'm hearing ANY of this, and frankly, I don't believe you.
  • Skooma714, on 11/01/2007, -0/+6REEEEOOOOWWW
  • santouras, on 11/01/2007, -0/+6Its not exactly piracy, its more like easier access to music in a format that people want. People don't want to get nickel and dimed for a DRM'd, low quality track. They want to download CD quality, preferably lossless audio. Thats why oink was so popular. Full albums, high quality, fast access.
  • Flooded, on 11/01/2007, -0/+6But it costs next to nothing to print to PDF and distribute it electronically, just as you would save to MP3 from [insert audio mixing software]. I think that is what grandparent was getting at.

  • revjustin2, on 10/31/2007, -1/+7Maybe those of us who listen to NIN.
  • crestfall, on 11/01/2007, -0/+5I have read numerous times that artists only make money on the back end if sales exceed 1 mil... which is like 1/100th of a percent of artists on major labels. The advance is the only cash they can count on. All the other back end is used to pay overhead, kick-backs, production fees, the damage margin, coke habits of execs, etc...
  • Vedesh, on 11/01/2007, -2/+7its funny, while listening to my ipod and upon finishing reading this article, "closer" started to play. lol and yes i did steal that song. :P
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