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- Pogojoe, on 05/25/2008, -17/+670I prefer the creative control left up to the producer or engineer to determine how a track is to be presented to my ears. This sounds like the equivalent of buying a painting and having the ability to change the colours as you see fit...
- 80hd, on 05/25/2008, -5/+545I'll file this away with all the other mp3 killers that have changed the future with their amazing specs despite a lack of compatibility or public awareness.
- Bob042, on 05/25/2008, -2/+223"...a commercial title of “Music 2.0...″
Stop it. - waydee, on 05/25/2008, -2/+201Nobody would want to release their music in a format like this anyway, it'd make it far too easy to get good quality unauthorised samples from songs.
- iguanapunk, on 05/25/2008, -22/+194Finally I'll be able to listen to songs by Kanye West and not have to listen to his embarrasing attempts at rapping!
- tocsy, on 05/25/2008, -16/+163Doesn't the fact that it's ".mt9" specifically make it NOT ".mp3"?
Either way, if it catches on it should be interesting. Mp3 has a pretty large monopoly on the market right now though, and most people hate change. - megablue, on 05/25/2008, -12/+137if and only if it comes with no DRM support
- Oetzi, on 05/25/2008, -23/+147awful idea.
- jessenoob, on 05/25/2008, -8/+108New MP3 != MT9, it won't be supported by a standard mp3 player most likely.
- drcreek, on 05/25/2008, -2/+88Sorry, I've worked in recording studios, this sounds like a good working file if it's lossless. Could be the 8 track tape of file formats, however as a consumer format it goes against the purpose of a mixed track, why would an artist go and make a track for you to listen to if your just gonna go and change it?
- Kevin108, on 05/25/2008, -3/+88But then you'll just be listening to Daft Punk!
- krinn, on 05/25/2008, -6/+841. File patents
2. Promote new music format
3. Wait until it becomes popular
4. Start suing people
5. Profit!!
Been there and done that with MP3, we're not falling for this scam again. - X1NN, on 05/25/2008, -3/+62Couldn't agree more! Customization should have it's limits. Increase sound quality while decreasing file size - now that would get me excited.
- annoia, on 05/25/2008, -3/+54Wow, you have discovered .mod/.xm... How revolutionary!
- nubtard, on 05/25/2008, -10/+56It's hard enough already getting mp3 files sounding good for both new and old music.
- ultrafez, on 05/25/2008, -4/+43MP3Pro, anyone?
- Elranzer, on 05/25/2008, -7/+44The problem with all "MP3 Killers" is that they always seem to have some sort of device-restricting DRM attached to the format.
This is also why the industry HATES the MP3 format (especially Sony, Microsoft and Apple) and basically only adapted it kicking and screaming, so they wouldn't go broke.
"Screw MP3 format. Our WMA/M4P/Atract3 format offers better sound and higher quality at lower bitrates." (Small print: It also locks the music content to our devices) - hypdotspec, on 05/25/2008, -4/+39"A new file format that offers separate volume controls for each musical instrument, such as guitar, drum, BASE and voice, is being considered as a new Internet standard.The new .MT9 file format, which a commercial title of “Music 2.0″, was selected as a candidate for consideration at a regular meeting of Motion Picture Experts Group (MPEG)"
BASE ftw... heh. - MiddleOfNowhere, on 05/25/2008, -3/+38Sorry for sounding like a snob, but mixing is an art form in itself. I can do a decent mix of an average ten track pop song, but everything beyond this requires a lot of talent and experience. Sound engineers *are* artists.
So "improving" a track at home will - for most songs and most users - end as a disaster. It's like giving TV viewers three color knobs for improving the quality of a Spielberg movie.
This might, however, be interesting for musicians wanting to understand/play a track, but if they are not total amateurs, they will either know how to isolate instruments using a good EQ or work with MIDI files.
I don't see this making waves on the mass market. - DivisibleByZero, on 05/25/2008, -3/+37Yeah, people made the mistake of getting "mp3" stuck in their head like some kind of brand name, so it'll be harder to get them to accept a new format (and plenty will still continue to call it an mp3).
Of course, I said the same thing about HD-DVD having name recognition over Bluray and was proven wrong there... - InferiorWang, on 05/25/2008, -5/+38Meh, sometimes I wish I could remaster some of my music so it will sound better in my car or on the stereo at work. It would also be good for learning to play music and then playing/singing along. I may be in the minority here, but I've caught myself wishing that something like this existed before. Somehow I doubt it is going to pick up enough popularity to replace mp3 anytime soon, but it sure does open some fun possibilities.
- diggdiggerid, on 05/25/2008, -1/+32This reminds me of my mom who is convinced I bought her an iPod Zune for her birthday.
- reginaldino, on 05/25/2008, -2/+31maybe now i can hear the bassline to "...and Justice for All"
- SHUUTOBI, on 05/25/2008, -10/+38Exactly...
- noerrorsfound, on 05/25/2008, -0/+25To a lesser extent, Ogg Vorbis? Vorbis is a completely open format (ogg is just the container, which can also hold video) and mp3 is restricted by patents.
- Zettabyte, on 05/25/2008, -4/+29The FOSS community hates MP3s as well, because it's riddled in patents. MP3 sucks, it halts technological progress, as well as paying for the royalties for using MP3.
- alski707, on 05/25/2008, -7/+32Why would bands / producers want their music to be easily sampled, ripped off by other bands, and completely butchered into something unrecognisable by people with no musical talent?
Its bad enough that so much music is already considered nothing more than background noise by so many, all this sounds like is a way to dumb it down even further.
Just give us DRM free lossless encoding, that’s all we need or want. - flashback99, on 05/25/2008, -2/+26"The distinctive feature of MT9 format is that it has a six-channel audio equalizer, with each channel dedicated to voice, chorus, piano, guitar, base and drum"
The feature we've been supposedly all waiting for. - badjoke, on 05/25/2008, -0/+24Hey, at least it's legitimate tech news. Be thankful that we have one less story about cats or iPhone 2.0 rumors.
- Dgen_X, on 05/25/2008, -2/+25You missed some steps.
1. Low quality
1.5. profit
2. medium quality
2.5. profit again
3. high quality
3.5. profit some more
and so on... - daengbo, on 05/25/2008, -3/+25Umm ... hardware makers HAVE done something about it. Good equipment costs good money. Break out your wallet.
- Protoss, on 05/25/2008, -1/+22OGG anyone? The entire problem is device support.
- CapeKid, on 05/25/2008, -4/+23The exact same reason people release games that can be modded. Yet no one ever complains about that. Music engineers still have to do the default "mix" then people can further change things if they want to. This makes it great for karaoke as mentioned in the article. But also great for people learning an instrument to hear only the one they want and play along, or to drop that one out of the mix and play along. More control for the consumer is always good.
- MiddleOfNowhere, on 05/25/2008, -1/+19Yep. And they brought their own reality distortion field ... FTA:
"The new format [...] is poised to replace the popular MP3 file format as the de facto standard of the digital music source, its inventors say."
Yeah. And pigs will fly.
Seriously - this is about as likely to happen as multi-layer Photoshop files replacing GIFs and JPEG as a standard format for presentation purposes on the web and elsewhere.
Also, this article sounds confused to say the least. First it claims that this format will allow songs to be split up "by instrument". Later, we learn that it is rather a kind of equalizer for the frequency ranges of instruments.
Huh?
A typical, complex studio production - e.g. Hip-Hop - will have 20 to 40 tracks. Prog-rock may easily double that. There is no way you could deliver all these with acceptable file sizes.
If, however, this file format really just provides a pre-configured equalizer for a stereo file, it won't help much. Many instruments cover large frequency ranges, so an EQ cannot mute or boost a single instrument from a stereo master. - SmellyGeekBoy, on 05/25/2008, -0/+18Wahey! Someone else actually old enough to remember trackers and all that... This "revolutionary" technology was pretty big in the early 90s you know!
- ahughes, on 05/25/2008, -1/+18The last thing we need is ANOTHER media file format. Can't we all just agree on a standard?
- DivisibleByZero, on 05/25/2008, -3/+20The karaoke industry will never let it happen.
- peestandingup, on 05/25/2008, -2/+19Producers/artists arent gonna give consumers the ability to drastically change how their tracks sound, period.
- Culyt, on 05/25/2008, -0/+16FTA: "Unlike other digital formats exclusively used by big companies such as SK Telecom, Audizen allows users to copy the MT9 files, making it a more attractive format. ``It's like having a CD or cassette tape. Once you buy it, you can lend it to your friends. We don't want to be too fussy about DRM (digital right management),'' he said."
In the end its still a patented royalty technology though. I don't see anything special about it over any other format with multiple channels. I would just prefer a standardised container format with multiple FLAC/OGG streams, although that won't make any standard bodies licensing fees.
☢ - Xiata, on 05/25/2008, -0/+16Instead of releasing this, how about we get to the root of the problem: fire all the audio engineers who insist on clipping to increase volume.
This isn't the 80s folk, players have EQs, volume normalization, and other features to make the music better for those who want to hear it the way they want to-- but you can't magically generate the clipped portions that these retards cut off. - jaymzz, on 05/25/2008, -4/+20I think producers are just getting lazy.
"Mix it any way you want, I'm gonna go roll in my big pile of money." - caLt, on 05/25/2008, -1/+16i want to see an open format replace mp3...even though it's ruling the market, linux distros cannot ship with mp3 support because of ***** patents.
- KibibyteBrain, on 05/25/2008, -5/+18Plus, mp3 is a pretty horribly lossy format. As in its more of the rule than the exception that certain audible artifacts tend to work into files compressed with mp3 even as the bitrate approaches infinity. This makes sense as its algorithm is relatively simple and not based on advanced audio models like more modern codecs. Don't get me wrong, it does a darn good job considering, but ripping anything to mp3 now is settling for inferior performance in almost every measurable respect.
Also, no actual compression format does the DRM, DRM is a wrapper around the audio data. There are DRM free AAC and ATRAC files, and AAC in the wild is usually pretty good about even maintaining extension differences. I think fearing more modern file formats, especially considering mp3 is more of a stone age format to start with, just because the standards have an option for wrapping DRM around them is pretty absurd. Heck, someone could make an mp3 based format that had DRM, too. I think this is just people being conservative and not wanting to stray from what works.
The only real advantage mp3 has over the competition is ubiquity. Everyone who is pushing their own format supports it. But again, this really isn't a GOOD thing. Player makers should make a best effort to support all formats their customers wish to use, and not just what best suits(or what they think best suits) their other business models. - maexus, on 05/25/2008, -3/+15I can't agree with this more. Mixing and mastering is an artform as much as it is a science. I cringe when ever someone tells me that they use an blanket EQ in their music player that drastically changes frequencies in the music. Then pump it through a "sound enhancer" plugin that likely EQ's again and blindly compressed the wave form.
- KibibyteBrain, on 05/25/2008, -3/+15Maybe, but this seems like it could only appeal to pop/rock music. Which granted is a big portion of the market. Things like classical symphonies would be little more useful to control via 6 channel isolated tracks like this than just a spatially isolated setup. Even then, some more innovated or sophisticated performances would be hard to figure with this. Some bands spend a long time figuring out how to mix their works so it sounds good. The idea of separate instruments might not make much sense for those works.
MT9 seems like it will more appeal to those doing mixes and the like as they can customize the music to their whims. Also amateur performers could easily learn how to play certain parts on their instruments of choice. As much as this will appeal to music enthusiasts, is this really going to supplement most customer needs? Especially considering these files should end up being quite a bit bigger than non-isolated two channel recordings or the like which currently do a fine job of meetings market demand and will always for most listeners, who use earphones. - therightclique, on 05/25/2008, -1/+13you weren't proven wrong at all about HD-DVD. HD-DVD absolutely has a better name than Bluray. The public had zero to do with that format winning. It was all decided by old, fat, rich guys behind closed doors. Sony paid all the right people off.
- bitcloud, on 05/25/2008, -0/+12badass.. thanks for the reminder...
*searches for axlfoley.mod* - inactive, on 05/25/2008, -10/+21am i the only one that sees a big disconnect here: no matter how skillfully music is tweaked in the studio and even with advanced formats such as this: the speakers in the computer the phone and the ipod or similar suck
so no matter how divine the sound signal and sound format you only end up hearing a fraction of it
so when are the hardware makers going to do something about that
how hard can it be compared to the benefit to the consumer and to the bottom line - MiddleOfNowhere, on 05/25/2008, -1/+12Where is the problem?
- Don't buy ***** $5 computer monitors (just as you shouldn't poke sticks in your eardrums).
- Replace your iPod's ***** earphones immediately with something decent (Behringer and Sony offer a few gems, starting around $40).
- If you have the money and maybe want to make some music yourself and/or work/play with multitrack sources, get a decent FireWire or USB 2.0 audio interface for your computer and connect it to a good receiver and speaker *digitally*. I have a set-up here that cost less than $1000, and it sounds sweet.
All the products are there. As daengbo said: Just break out your wallet. Quality will cost you. Not an arm and a leg, but don't expect pro-level products for a few bucks. - kris33, on 05/25/2008, -3/+14.midi 2.0?
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