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- sinfree, on 10/12/2007, -4/+72The problem to me is not that some schools will ban them, the problem is that this isn't the job of the national government to be deciding for all the schools. Why would the house of representatives waste time trying to tell all the schools what to do? This decision should be up to each school individually, or at least more on a local/county level.
- noodlez, on 10/12/2007, -31/+87so?
schools for learnin, they can do wtf ever they want. my high school had a lock on the internet connection -- no internet allowed for students, but noone cried about that.
a resounding "meh", i say. - octopi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+37My public school system doesn't need a bill; it already blocks sites like Myspace and has been blocking popular non-educational sites like those for a long time. I remember being devestated in the 6th grade when albinoblacksheep.com was suddenly banned. I guess I shouldn't have visited it as much.
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -6/+33@msaleem:
You really didn't need to point that out. The username, "noodlez," pretty much summarized your afore mentioned criticism. - thenativeraver, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28They must have taken my words literally when I said:
"Myspace will be the downfall of our great civilization." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25And, like always, kids will find a way around it.
- wolfzombie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18@sinfree
I agree completely with this needing to be a local level decision. Today's government has gotten too big, and is constantly getting involved in what should be localized decisions and forcing them into law across the entire country. It has gotten to the point of being a very bad micromanaging CEO of a company. At that level you need to put trust in your lower management to get the job done. - XxXoldsaltXxX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16why the hell do the kids want to be on myspace at school anyways.
most of their friends are at the school anyways :P - Popdmb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Agreed...and MySpace sucks might I add. But it isn't up to the government to regulate content, it's up to the schools. As 4 million people on Digg have said before each and every time this issue comes up: GET A DECENT WEB FILTER.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15The high school where I work has been blocking MySpace since the beginning of 2005... The others are also blocked, under the category "Personals and Dating"...
- IHaveIssues, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Isn't this story just like this one with 1200 Diggs?
http://www.digg.com/tech_news/USA_Bill_Requires_Schools_Libraries_BLOCK_Social_Networking_Chat_Sites - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10The bill states anything that allows one to create a public profile and post content on it. Basically, that means digg, slashdot, blogs, wikipedia, myspace, friendster, facebok, xanga, and who knows what else. And I'm sure it won't take them long to stop differentiating between a public profile and a personal website. That eliminates Google (Google Pages), any geocities site, etc...
Basically, the bill will allow them to arguably ban any site they want to without without any reason, other than citing this bill, with no consequences. - Mithrander, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Exactly.
A lot of schools already block these sites, so there's almost no point in passing this bill. I think things like this should be decided by the school principal who (should) know(s) what is going on in his/her school. - DesolataX, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13So, Kids shouldn't be on those sites while they are supposed to be doing work.
- dshPls, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9The good times of not only playing games, but deleting and reorganizing registry files, printscreening the desktop, setting that as the background and hiding the icons. Good times, at my school atleast, we had bitchey 50yo librarians who knew nothing about computers, so to avoid doing work we'd ***** up the machines, nothing better than watching them restart the same computer five times with no success in fixing the "unclickable icons"
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Bleh, My company's Websense is nearly impossible to get through. The only way I can find to beat it is to have all the content that you're looking at mirrored onto a different site. A simple proxy doesn't work, all of the images in a page, text, etc..., need to be locally mirrored on the remote server, and then the remote server dishes them to you. For instance, duggmirror works wonderfully, but duggmirror won't let me get to Kotaku. It's a miracle digg and Slashdot aren't banned. My guess is because IT probably visits them themselves.
- johanm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8id seriously consider paying money to have everything related to myspace blocked from digg
- badnewsblair, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Exactly. If it wasn't for the computer lab in my school and a study period, I wouldn't have learned HTML and thusly wouldn't be working in this field.
But then again, what am I doing at this job but watching digg.com and other forums. - ccanni1028, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6mc900ftjesus - When is the last time you saw a payphone on a campus at a public school? I graduated in 2005 and they ripped them out the summer before my sophomore year, when cell phones were still banned.
Cell phones should be allowed on campus, just turned off during school hours. Ever heard of someone staying after for activities and needing to call for a ride home? - fAlCoNNiAn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Thank god they won't block these sites at Universities
- gcube9x, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Good. Do kids really need MORE time to emo up their site instead of mixing around other people in high school?
- JustMatt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Don't most schools already block sites like that (proxy filters)?
- SSX4life, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm a network admin for a Lutheran Highschool in Lansing IL. I currently have Xanga / MySpace / Facebook / Tagged / etc. blocked from access on our domain here.
I'm running K12LTSP on all of the pc's in the lab with a squidproxy and Sarge which monitors all student activity and gives me a printup of any possible flagged sites they access etc.
I can understand students or users comments about "that's not fair" etc. however in the school system here we don't want students wasting time on these sites when they should be doing homework / research.
I've already had 2 students attempt to hack the system here @ school with no success and they have been removed from all network access while attending school.
I'm not a nazi and not a mean guy, I just follow the rules handed to me by the administration. Go blog your sh!t on your own time, not while your education is at stake.
--ssx-- - snypa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5It's definately not a decision that the government shold make i.e politicians. Most aren't doing it for the sake of the students, but for other agendas. Instead, such decisions should be made by local governing authorities, school boards etc, since they can pinpoint sepcifically the problems in certain schools, Not just slapping on a rule that could adversly affect learning.
I would support a ban againsty social networking sites, theyre a waste of time at home let alone school. But would totally be against a ban on the internet. The internet is probably the ebst thing thats happened to education, for students at home and at school. I don't mean the cheating and plagarism thats occuring, especially in UK schools, but for research, especially for projects, coursework etc.
@ Noodlez. I'm very sruporised that no one protested aban on the internet at your school. The internet has been a god send at mine. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In my school district (and many others) there's already been a ban in place for a long time. Attempting to bypass it can result in suspension and/or other disciplinary action. Kids have tried.....we've never heard from them since.
- yoda133113, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@robohoe
because wikipedia lets you create a personal account and post on it, it shouldn't be banned, but it can be under those rules, it's not the national gov't job to do this kinda stuff anyway. - darkzealot89, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3All i have to say is, SonicWall FTW
Blocks up Myspace and other sites and my school. Once they put the block on, you could look at the Bandwidth ussage charts and see the very date when it was blocked, the chrats took a step fall.
damn myspace to hell. - fulldecent, on 10/12/2007, -1/+41 think of the children
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3 china - drivera, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm an Instructional Technology specialist for a region of 12 school districts in GA. I help consult and train educators on new technologies and how those help effectively teach students. This creators of this bill were certainly on DOPA. The problem is that the language of the bill creates a mandatory ban on all sites that allow for collaboration, sharing, publishing, and networking, not just MySpace or other non-educational sites. See the links below to get the facts. There really is a lot more being affected here than just Myspace.
My blog post on SEGA Tech
http://segatech.us/archives/1300
Also, Will Richardson has some hard words for this innane bill:
http://weblogg-ed.com/2006/headline-congress-targets-social-network-sites - KevinJ, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@borninda818
Get your own webhost and host phpProxy on it
Thats what I did! - Antagonist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Personally I think this is a good thing. I'm the Director of Technology for a community college in California and some of us are looking forward to banning myspace. Not for any censorship reasons, but a lot of public workstations are being used up by people using MySpace and not doing any actual academic work. We're implementing throttles to myspace on the public access network also, but not outright banning it. We're a school, and school funds should be used towards providing educational tools, not social networking sites.
- mc900ftjesus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6The fed gov't has no business doing something that should be done locally.
But it's a great decision at the wrong level. Those social networkings sites offer NOTHING for a student at school but distraction. I don't see a need for any cell phones on school grounds either, given that there are payphones available. But I think the local school boards should deal with that not the feds. - untzboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Is digg in danger here?
- Grayfox777, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This is a bunch of crap! Are we turning into China?! Some people don't have computers or internet at home! They shouldn't be forced to deal with censored internet when they use a computer at the library!
- jdavid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3this is not a dupe, this is an article on how it has moved to the senate for a vote
- datastorageguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Apparently you aren't too worried about beating their keystroke loggers.....
- lwdallas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why should the federal government be in the business of deciding what sites students can visit? Since taxes started funding schools and since parents pay most of the 1040 revenue.
And I've seen MySpace. My kids don't need to hang out there for a few more years, thank you. - macman06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They already block that stuff up here at my school. But there are always ways to get around it.. :)
- djhash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2umm.. Facebook now is for Highschool... College... and Work.. each is seperated from each other.. but there is facebook for highschool.
- rabiddogma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes the real point behind this bill is a do nothing congress trying to look like they've done something to deserve to get re-elected.
The problem with this bill is that its so broad that it could scare schools into blocking other useful and educational sites as well as the problem ones. - datastorageguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Kids don't run libraries and schools...they don't have the right to go to any web sites other than the one's school administrators, teachers, or parents allow. Whether or not the federal government has the authority to block them, thats another story.
- whitty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2it's completely ***** that this kind of crap can even come up in government. I mean, i guess it'd be reasonable if it were just public schools, since those are government organizations, but all schools and libraries is simply out of the proper umbrella of control the government should have on any little whim. At the same time, I'm getting tired of lawmakers knowing absolutely nothing about what they're doing. Really, you can't argue with me that the average lawmaker has so much as the faintest clue about maybe 1 of 10 bills landing on his or her desk. What can they possibly hope to accomplish? 99.99% of schools already block this, and kids will always find ways around it. I have public proxies hosted on my own servers under numerous domain names with a dynamic ip. You simply can't fight that. And there will always be a few kids like me in any school. I guess this is just another example of lawmakers wanting to feel like they're doing something useful.
- robohoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why wikipedia?! It contains crapton of stuff I could use at school :|
- Brightside, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's what I do! Works like a charm.
- djhash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2DOPA, Deleting Online Preditors Act.... more like Deleting Online Preys Act!!!!!
- weirdone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2why does congress need to dictate how a school operates in this particular instance. What if it is a poorer urban school that has more important things to worry about than myspace? They have a limited budget to work with and by imposing a bill like this, either their budget has to be increased or they have to move money from something else.
What works for one area, won't necessarily work for another one and schools where this is a problem can address it themselves if they want to. - NJank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Here's an idea, RTFA:
"The bill affects institutions that obtain Net access through the reduced E-Rate plan sponsored by the federal government. This covers most public schools and, according to the ALA, about two-thirds of public libraries in the U.S. "
So, federal jurisdiction is valid because they are allowed to place usage restrictions on access they provide. (or help pay for). The fed gov't decided "we ain't payin' fer dem dere chat sites... them's gots pervs."
SOOO... the problem is NOT that the fed shouldn't be touching this. It's that the fed said: block anything with a personal profile... the CHILDREN ARE IN DANGER!!! (Actually thy left the FCC to actually define what would be banned. Room for redemption maybe.)
What they could have said to maybe have some credibility is "ban social networking sites because that's not the intended use of the net for which we are assisting your access." I.e., it's for educational assistance, not necessarily blogging, games, and social meet-and-greet.
But, once again... if/where to draw the line, etc. And how to implement any said block. (that may make sense to do at a level higher than each school. maybe someone competent will set it up, and it won't get pwned by every other high school sophomore with 10 cents worth of IT knowledge.)
oh... why isn't RTFA in the spell check yet... but pervs is... - Antagonist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2But what about those students who'd like to use public workstations but can't, because someone else is on it because they're using Myspace? It happens a lot, and you can't expect people to ask others to get off.
- riah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2they just want the tubes all for themselves
- tdogg241, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I could care less about the school aspect of this bill, it's the ban in public libraries that bothers me.
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