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49 Comments
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+53"i must side with the torrents thought because everything is better free"
You misspelled stolen - SPThom, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17I'm sure filmmakers would like to make their movies for free, too. When BitTorrent solves that problem, let me know.
- 350Zed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9You can't blame the applicaiton because you have a crappy network.
- indiehead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7i'd like to download movies legally, it's a good idea and would make life easier.
it's just that with the DRM that they load on it and the O/S restrictions (windows only, etc.) they just don't make it easy or right for the consumer.
i mean, when you buy a film from the store, that copy is yours to keep full stop.
same with software, when you buy Dreamweaver or PS, that copy is yours to keep till whenever.
why can't it be the same for stuff downloaded from the web, why do they have to add a whole load of catches and viewing counters, authorise machine, etc.
why?, they didn't for the software your buy off the web (and that's usually 20x more expensive than a dvd), so why music and movies?
what's the big deal? - corevette, on 10/12/2007, -18/+24the real competition should be: itunes + the rest vs. torrents
i must side with the torrents thought because everything is better free - MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5That very well may be, but store bargain bins are MADE FROM PEOPLLLLLLEEEEE!!!!
- Feanor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Why doesn't someone start a torrent service for movies where you pay for the tracker, then you can download the full DVD ISO from a legal source. If the price was a little under the cost of an actual DVD I would use it.
- nakke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Considering how much film makers rely on ticket income (vs. TV shows..) there would have to be some really heavy ads to make up for it. And even then, there would be free torrent alternatives without the ads, which most people would probably download.
Still, I do believe you partly in that atleast TV shows will start appearing legally for free on the internet (with ads) pretty soon as streaming services, once bandwidth grows a little to allow higher def to be streamed on the internet. - a1lostnomad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I think I will stick to BitTorrent and store bargain bins. Movie studios are such jokers. They want me to pay $10-$20 for a movie that I can't loan out to friends, no DVD extras, takes hours to download, and it's long term fate rests in the hands of a couple hard drives (for most people it rests on a single hard drive).
I found Soylent Green in a bin the other day for .99 cents. That's thee kind of bang for buck I'm looking for in movie downloads :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Just to add to their little part about MovieLink, General Mills (cerial company) was running a promotion that gave you either 5 or 10 free movie link dollars, and it was generally enough to get a pretty good movie. That said, I am unsure if they are still doing that.
However, you can also steal a bunch of peoples leftover change via BugMeNot - Shorties, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I am disappointed they didn't compare it to Vongo. I want to see how they hold up.
- angelp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Wow....way to read the article. Not to mention, iTunes does run on Windows.
- rtini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm getting 500KB/s with iTunes on my cable modem.
- BlackCow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Note, however, that you’ll be forced to use Internet Explorer to download these movies unless you use iTunes or Amazon Unbox."
....well wtf! Why the hell would you have to use internet explorer for all these services? Is it because IE rapes your system and allows it to do things that are very unsecure and uncool. - zang74, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@flag564
I love how you like to apply some sort of bias against Apple to every comment made. How do you know this guy's not trying to run 640x480 H.264 video on a 200mhz Pentium II? H.263 is a rather processor intensive codec, but instead of accepting that you decide to sarcastically deem it Apple's fault for not supporting this person's unknown hardware.
Don't you wonder why people digg you down so often? There's not some huge conspiracy by "apple fanboys"; rather the comments you make are ridiculously biased, ignorant and inflammatory. You are a troll. - videoCT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I use Redbox. In Stop and Shop stores and some McDonalds in Connecticut there is a DVD vending machine where you can get new relases for $1 per night, return at any location, reserve online for no additional cost. Beats Netflix if you only want new releases, and beats DRM downloads because the quality and download times are great (driving to the store and back takes 15 minutes, which is like a really fast download)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Neither dl.tv, nor diggnation are hosted by Apple. Hell, not even the RSS feeds come from iTunes Store's servers. Just about all the podcasts on iTunes are merely listed in the directory and have in no other way anything to do with Apple. So it looks you're whining to the wrong people for the wrong thing.
- valkyries, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2if ur telling me i have a ***** network grow up... i can promise u its not my network when u grow up and actually goto college u get a pretty good connection to the internet. how about 26000kb/s down and about 3400kb/s up... so dont even try to blame my network....
http://www.netblues.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=2713 - mjoshi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well I dont do bittorrent and I dont do iTunes or any other download sites with DRM. I buy or rent my DVD and when I do it it allows me to play whenever I want and on whatever machine I want to play. So for me unless iTunes offer movies at 1.99 for rental download and 4.99 for buying I'm not interested. All who are saying bittorrent is stealing should also look on other side and say DRM is basically screwing people who are leagally downloading stuff, its modern-age mafias of digital world. So unless DRM cleans-up its act bittorrent will stay and there is nothing wrong in it.
- moisie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Maybe it's not your network but the point remains - Apple do not host those things that you mentioned.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They play just fine on a Mac mini...
- quickcomment, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The GM cereal coupons are for $5, but they don't work for every single rental, as some are listed on the site as 'moviemoney and promos not valid for this rental.'--mostly newer films. Movielink is actually pretty good, from my experience: A near-daily random discount rental, very few months they offer everything at 1/2 or less, etc. Once my GM codes run out, I'll probably buy a $20 card from Best Buy to keep renting every so often. Not the greatest service in the world, but I'm surprised it hasn't gotten more positive buzz.
However, I would like to see them offer the option of a reduced bitrate rental for a slightly lower cost. It'd decrease their bandwidth usage and speed up downloads for folks who will sacrifice quality for cost and speed. - armbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think you mean inaccurate, unless you think the article's sort of in prison.
- Archer1980, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4why is everyone so quick to point out that stuff can by free if they insert advertising? The only thing advertising does it makes you pay more for everything else. The billions of $$ that companies spend every year advertising gotta come from somewhere. So instead of paying for say a movie, instead we are now paying nearly $3 for a loaf of bread, or an extra $1000 on that brand to Toyota to cover advertising costs.
Personally, i'd gladly pay the money to rent or buy a movie, in the long run it's cheaper. - Escamillo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Wow, iTunes does indeed suck compared to the others.
I knew that CinemaNow and MovieLink were way better, but looks like just about everyone is better than Jobs' offering.
Of course, Jobs knows that Apple fanboys will "prefer" Apple regardless so he can get away with offering a poorer service and acting like he was "innovative". - ibeetle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The article is bit incarcerate. GUBA works with Mac's. Been using it for over 6 months. No problems.
I do have to admit I have not purchased a premium video in a 6 or 8 weeks, but the 3 or 4 I have purchased play just fine. I hope they have not changed this, and dropped Macintosh support. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8I vote for torrents too :) I would *almost* go for iTMS's $10 movies if I could do whatever I want with them. But to be restricted to watch a *MOVIE* on only my iPod or Mac, ***** that.
Apple actually really ***** people with their protected video formats (before you mod me down, read this, I am an Apple developer.) Apple allows *developers* to use the QuickTime frameworks to play back protected audio files, which is nice. But, they don't let us play back protected Videos. That's stupid. It allows Apple to have a monopoly on media software to manage the iLife suite.
So. I vote torrents :) - armbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sorry to tag this on the first post, but I was getting a 404, so here's the mirror: http://duggmirror.com/tech_news/Movie_Downloads_iTunes_v_The_Rest/
Kind of ironic that there's an article about 404 pages on digg's front page right now :) - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I pesonally do not use the iTunes video service because I find the price too high for an online purchase, despite using ITMS for other media (like TV shows).
From the comparison iTunes actually fares pretty well in terms of bitrate (only Amazon is higher), and they even mention that overall they prefer the iTunes service for ease of use.
From another post above it would seem Guba is actually pretty interesting and works on a Mac, so I might try that as prices are more reasonable. I'm hoping that movie prices come down to a more reasonable $7-$8 at some point. - mc_hambone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Page is 404. Here is a correct (for now) link:
http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/16/itunes-movies-v-the-rest/ - rheaume, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Angelp
Define 'run' - flag564, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2So as long as the DRM has an Apple logo, it cool?
- Leo21k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1spell checker FTL
- moisie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1To be fair to downloads, new titles don't come for $0.99 on dvd either. Once the downloads market begins to mature then I'm sure there will be scope for bargains. I think the point Apple (for example) are trying to make is that by offering everything for one price (or at least simple levels of price) they make it simple for your technophobic person to be 100% sure what they're getting.
- tecnovm65, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Don't download from iTunes, DRM is a cancer. :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Movies in iTunes suck. I'm not complaining about the quality, but it's the performance. Apparently, it requires a god-like computer to run those things at a decent speed. Otherwise, you get horrible performance with lots of stuttering, and it's really obnoxious. Also, there was that business where they recently increased the resolution on all movies, making the problem even worse, and the "upgrade" is totally unnecessary if you're playing the movies on a standard, non-HD TV. Just my $.02.
- Leo21k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0True, I can find good movies for really cheap in bargain bins... But I dont want to buy VHS anymore so I'll pass.
- SonofMaug, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I wus gonna say sumpin' abot ur spelin val, but i can't member wut it wuz
- TimothyStickles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think rentable content is the key for these movie services. The one that can offer content rentals to the broadest base of customers at the highest quality and greatest ease of use will win.
I think the key here will be to bypass the computer altogether and offer a dedicated piece of hardware, connected to the TV, that downloads and stores movies on a rental basis. Dedicated hardware will make the movie studios more comfortable making their content digitally available and wouldn't require users to worry about whether their PCs are compatible or will be in the future. Since the movies are for rental only, backup and DRM concerns are moot.
I don't think "iTV" will fit the bill unless Apple adds rental service. I am excited to see what Netflix will be offering, though details are scant there. That leaves the playing field wide open for some savvy company to pick up the ball and run with it.
t.s. - brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3The problem with these iTunes competitors for me is that they all stink of Microsoft taint and Microsoft DRM. Apple's DRM at least does a fairly good job of preserving a user's Fair Use rights.
- anonym41414, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I usually get between 800 kbps and 1.5 Mbps at home, and about 9 Mbps at the office. (That's throttled; I can download four things at 9 Mbps each.)
- Shorties, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Or you could just know where to look on Google Video... (Fast and Free)
http://digg.com/videos_educational/Who_Killed_The_Electric_Car_on_Google_Video
http://digg.com/videos_educational/Tibet_Cry_of_the_Snow_Lion_Available_on_Google_Video_in_its_entirety
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5856589059162183177&q=Bowling+for+Columbine - flag564, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Then thats YOUR fault. Apple doesn't have time to make their software run on your crap hardware. They make great products that work 110% of the time flawlessly. and did I mention how sleek and gorgeous the UI is? Get with tthe program or go use some suck Azz POS service from some Micro$uck flunkies.
- ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3A large issue that a lot of people seem to miss is that MOST people will always generally pay for good content at a good price (given that the distribution of the product is also good) This is why iTunes is successful. Sure, i can bittorrent LOST or other TV shows, but if i want to watch it right now, then I'll buy it. It is simple, not too expensive, and it is simple.
- valkyries, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1what i dislike about itunes+ video downloading is that sometimes it takes me more then 14hours to download dl.tv or diggnation videos using a university internet connection. which gets me downloads most of the time around 1 or 2MB/s with itunes its peaking at only 45kb/s
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2@SPThom: I'm sure the multi-millions of dollars they make from the movie theatres alone give them just enough to scrape up some basic food, water, gas, electricity, etc. Hell, they might even have a couple million in spare change for a yatch or two.
- jhaydon, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Hang on.....you can BUY tv shows?
On BitTorrent right...? - Shorties, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6@SPTHOM
Advertisements, I guarantee you in the future you will be able to get Ad Supported films legally and free. - chrislewis, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2Shouldnt this be in the apple section? Thats why I removed that topic.
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