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- TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -22/+126Then you should be working and stop wasting company time! :)
- djkritikal, on 10/12/2007, -21/+100Don't use IE?
- Godric, on 10/12/2007, -1/+75"What will they do if one of the people in the stands messes up?"
I think the commies refer to that as a dead pixel. - chickan, on 10/12/2007, -15/+53Try to be an individual while working at say McDonald's or Wal Mart and you'll see that capitalism doesn't necessarily respect individualism either. The individual is always at war with society. The thing is communism is great. That is if you happen to be the exalted leader. Capitalism is great too, just as long as you have money. Capitalism is better then communism because there are more people with money then there are exalted leaders. I suppose you could imagine a system where everyone had an equal say as to how society runs (technicaly I think that is called socialism). But I don't think that has ever been tried. In either case you still have to live with people, and people are a problem.
- Khlept0, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31I've been there. Well, I've been "across the borer" when I visited Panmunjom, the Joint Security Area where the North and South meet for official talks. The North Korean guards stand like 5 feet away from you at the border and stare at you with "Terminator" style sunglasses.
The entire trip through South Korea (near the DMZ) was a pretty wild experience. No photos allowed. Our tour ended when a post in North Korea began aiming at us while we were parked on Freedom bridge.
Freaky *****. - ziffel, on 10/12/2007, -20/+43-21 diggs for an honest comment. Proof of the idiocy of this comment system. The thumbs down is meant for retards, not because "omg fIrEf0x PwNz IE's AZZ!!" - grow up people. (and yes, I know I'll get a bunch of thumbs down for saying this)
- sonician, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21You should have done what I did, and just snap the photos. When will you ever get the chance to do it again? I visited the DMZ in 2004, and found it exhilarating, even getting to travel under the DMZ zone via a tunnel dug by the North Koreans.
Lots of photos here: http://www.sonician.com/personal/photos/galleries/dmz/index.html - laelfrog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Thats a 18,000 inch screen there, I don't know about the response time though. It seemed that the vertical sync was off.
Wow that would take a lot of discipline to get that many school kids to do that. - letaalio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16That is nothing. Actually, these are the lucky kids who have the chance to eat.
Watch the movie "Children Of The Secret State" where some journalist from NK tapes "normal" children life in NK.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6951629397402742053&pl=true - betasp, on 10/12/2007, -8/+24You are correct. No one has ever been thrown in a labor camp for not wearing the correct uniform at Walmart, or killed for being born with a birth defect.
- Godric, on 10/12/2007, -9/+24This is the perfect illustration of the fact that individualism has no place in communist/marxist/socialist/etc societies.
- TokenUser, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17I think this ( http://www.harvardsucks.org/ ) was a far more impressive display. Using monchromatic colours, and untrained participants, I think the message came across far clearer.
- zdlatham, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20In communist countries you can't sell your soul because you don't own it. The state does...
- KyleRayner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14The nail that stands up quickly gets hammered down.
- Ryetronics, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14If you guys liked this, then you'll love this "music video" straight from North Korea...
http://robpongi.com/pages/comboFUSAHI.html
Now that's a little creepy, you have to admit. - tekk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Divx torrent of video if anyone is interested:
http://www.mininova.org/tor/200713
Azureus magnet: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:EKIGFAX3ELW56F7LVI3LQ3P2YIXN7GOD - Godric, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15"they certainly haven't forgotten what we did to them in the name of 'democracy'. "
The US and United Nations force that fought the Korean War was defending South Korea from an invasion from the North. Get your history straight. Furthemore, North Korea's own policies have done much more harm to its own people than any war could ever do. Millions died of famine in the 1990s and countless others have been executed in concentration camps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_war - PrometheuZ, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Then don't read it, move on.
- elamr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Com-som-needa, Odeshee,
Never toured the DMZ, but I was in S. Korea for a while. The North has a formitable armed service with a special forces unit that is 60,000 -100K strong
Check out his body guards:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyRz_45Lhz0&search=Jong-il
ref:
http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-9615.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/world/dprk/rb.htm
It doesn't surprise me that those kids are so well synchronized. There is only one will in N. Korea. They need Jesus... and V from "V is for Vendetta." - commiecat, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17I don't see what the big deal is. Nobody would find that so outrageous if it happened at the Super Bowl - it'd be "damn that's pretty cool!".
Eastern philosophy has nothing to do with their social or economical institutions - it's always been believed over there that the whole is more important than the individual. It's called a cultural difference and has nothing to do with communism.
-commiecat - addisonj, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15You don't think that is creppy? 20,000 kids moving flashcards in unison with polotical propaganda and nationalism being preached as other kids with guns dance, aim, and fake shoot? Not to mention the fact that it is a communist dictatorship... its more than creepy, it makes me think of those nazi rallies of Hitler...
- tim11198, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Stop saying communist dictatorship, if it's a dictatorship, it is not communist. There has never been, and likely never will be a true communist nation. "The Difference between a republic and a people's republic is like the Difference between a jacket and a straight jacket" -Ronald Reagan. True communism is a wonderul idea, but is completely impossible, anything less cannot be considered communist.
- Godric, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13"Socialism & democracy are just two sides of the same coin."
If this is what you believe, let's forget about ideology for the moment and compare concrete things. Name one Democratic capitalist nation that has had millions of its own people die of famine in the past quarter century.
Also, please explain why North Korea doesn't show up in nighttime satelite photos, while its Democratic capitalist neighbors like South Korea and Japan are plainly visible. No food, no power, no freedom... that's ideology in action.
www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/dprk-dark.htm - WackyT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Original site that video was stolen from.
http://www.vsocial.com/video/?l=8392 - jboi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7poor people, no housing & no food
but they have a marketing machine specialized in flapping around cardboards - Dinosaurus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8We need to airlift in some Gameboys for those poor kids, Berlin style.
- everfalling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7given enough time an coordination, anyone could pull this off. it's a matter of timing really. by what i saw, they had big booklet type flashcards. as one person closed their booklet 'pixel', the two kids beside him opened theirs to change the picture. I'm thinking the booklets have pages, and that all the kids would have to do is turn the page before they opened the book when it was their turn to create the new image. all they would really need to know is their timing cues, how many seconds or beats between their turns. I'm not saying even this process wouldn't take a long long time to get right for everyone, but it's not impossible, and it's not as horribly complicated as this makes it seem like it is.
- trogdor282, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/browsers/portable_firefox
Lockdown problem solved. - Chongo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7go to http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kim/view/
then go to video #4. somewhere inside that it shows Madeleine Albright's trip to North Korea. They also go to the stadium....except at the end, they actually animate an ICBM missile launching with ONLY the flashcards......INSANE!!!!!! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7That was actually a pretty cool effect.
- dbarbour, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Lots of photos here: http://www.sonician.com/personal/photos/galleries/dmz/index.html"
In your fifth photo you state "I'm not sure but the guy on the far right looks American to me." That soldier is, in fact, an American. You can tell by the uniform and the European skin tone. We have a fair sized contingent of American forces in South Korea spread across multiple bases. So yeah... I'd imagine we have troops at the DMZ, too. - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10The difference is, what you see in the video is all done just to impress their leader. In America, we do those things for ourselves.
- Annon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Cool video, someone post it to less ***** website though.
- Khlept0, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6More info about Panmunjom here, if you're interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panmunjeom - geekee, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10@chickan
Capitalism supports individualism, Communism supports collectivism. In a capitalist society, people interact through trade. No one forces someone to work at McDonalds or Walmart, and no one forces you to do business with either company. Capitalism supports the rights of individuals to free trade, while communism places the needs of the collective above the rights of the individual. - Zacko, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Show me a video of North Koreans voting, now that would be a 'mind blowing' video.
P.S. the site the link is on is a pain in the ass, even in FF! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Go freedom and democracy! Yay.
- molecool, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yes, they are using the same techniques as the National Socialists back in the 1930s. The idea was to suppress any individual tendencies early on - part of doing that was to enroll kids into the Hitler Jugend (Hitler Youth) when they were in their early teens. The result of that were teenagers who often reported on their own parents - very scary stuff. There is that very famous speech Adolf Hitler held at some point - they key phrase was 'Und sie werden nicht mehr frei!!!' - which means 'And they'll never be free again!'. The meaning of this (which could easily be misinterpreted) was that once indoctrinated with the Nazi mindset which ingrained those young minds that serving the community was their highest purpose, they would never fall back to being selfish individuals. Of course we all know of where all that lead - in the hands of an insane and powerhungry fanatic Germany almost self-destructed. No idea what's going to happen down in NK - but judging by how long Cuba stuck around I am not very optimistic about all this.
- addisonj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5lol... notice the name "commiecat"
but in response, the mix of the "greater good" than individualism mixed with extreme nationalism/communism is already proven a deadly combo (hint hint: think ww2 era japan and kamikazes) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Is there a link to the video? I'm not seeing anything with FF.
- eclectro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"although probably not to that extreme"
that's what makes it creepy. - AndreasKaizer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7What if they allready have...
- jesusphreak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Quick question: if you didn't know this was from North Korea, would it still be "creepy"?
I very much doubt so. All political/social issues aside, it is pretty amazing, imo. - ryptide, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6That's pretty cool for a bunch of schoolkids.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Intersting but i've seen far worse videos rom North Korea.
This is 60 minutes and they were escorted by officials, they can't really show the really sucky parts of north korean life
I saw some video somewhere where someone filmed things in a hidden camera and that was mind blowing - textile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The US certainly has its reasons for invading Iraq, and, incidentally, the story of the so-called annexation of Hawaii is quite revealing in this regard. Does anyone recall how Hawaii became one of the United States?
In the late 1800's, a group of American sugar plantation owners wanted more, likely total, control of the sugar economy in Hawaii. So they staged a coup with the help of the Marines, deposing the queen. The American president in power at the time denounced this action, but he was soon succeeded by a much more aggressive leader, who ratified the "annexation."
If you look on a map and see how far the islands of Hawaii are from the coast of the US, to call them "US soil" is ridiculous. - tonicboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Well, it's interesting but hardly "creepy". That's been done many times, although probably not to that extreme.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12Chickan is right.. This has nothing to do with ideology. All human society is easily manipulated by the powerful ruling class. Socialism & democracy are just two sides of the same coin.
- jonnyeh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5If you can't install firefox, or use portable firefox, then I doubt you could install an activex plugin.
- Zacko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4very creepy! but, its got a beat and you can dance to it! : )
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