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- bytefoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+39That's the type of information that belongs in the summary as well...
- SnakeO, on 10/12/2007, -8/+45my girlfriend call them 'fire wires' one time... that was cute.
please bury me - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24"...said support for 1394b would be available in a service pack, after the release of Windows Vista."
Let me get this straight. They're refering to a service pack....on an OS that was supposed to be released in 2004....that will now be released in 2007... That's the craziest f*cking thing I've ever heard. - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26I just assumed Windows already supported FW800. It's amazing how long it takes MS to support things these days. I remember seeing FW800 options in my kernel source like 2 years ago?
- MyKill0310, on 10/12/2007, -15/+34If you read the story at all you would have seen in the 3rd paragraph that it is Fire Wire 800.
- mooninite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Linux has had support for FireWire800 as well...
People are paying for a driver in Windows? Sad. - master_of_fm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14there is something about the driver for Firewire 800 in XP in limits it to 400 speed, there is company that sells a driver for something like $20 that is supposed to enable the full speed of 1394b ports in XP. This has been a problem for almost 2 years, i would have figured it would have been fixed by now. the fact that Vista wont have native support at launch is just plain lame.
edit: just did a quick google search since i couldnt remember, the company is called orangeware from their product page
Operating System and Driver Read Write
XP SP1 with MS Driver* 83MB/s 52MB/s
XP SP1 with OrangeWare Driver* 82MB/s 56MB/s
XP SP2 with MS Driver* 10MB/s 10MB/s
XP SP2 with OrangeWare Driver* 63MB/s 46MB/s
*The testing results were obtained on a Nvidia CK8S with AMD 64 3.2 GHz
using SiSoftware Sandra Pro 2004 with a
LaCie d2 HD Extreme FireWire800 7200 RPM drive. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Wow, its sad that one would need a driver to get decent speeds.
- TheIguana, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Firewire 800 has been standard on Macs for how long? Sorry not to be a belligerent Mac user but what could possible make it so difficult for Microsoft to write up some code to take advantage of Firewire 800?
Iggy - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13This is great news, at least for me. I prefer using firewire over usb, since I think the connector is just easier to connect.
Then again, I just realized, though. I use Linux. But this is still good, supporting 1394. - vertigoblue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8i thought the support was already there too... but i think they mean that it will be supported without having to download the drivers separately.
i don't really care about it though as long as it works with the driver cd that comes with the firewire card. - jlowe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Are you an idiot? This is about the Microsoft operating system, Windows Vista, supporting a hardware standard that has been out for years. This has absolutely nothing to do with Internet Explorer or whatever piece of crap software you run on top of it.
- macbookwhine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Yes, but it is still supported by the OS! Drop in an ide or expresscard fw800 and watch the magic of no config required.
- jhunt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8What are you talking about? I will use it, as will many people.
Your own computer usage doesn't reflect the usage of everyone else, you know. - stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Audio folks needing to record/edit audio at extreme sample rates and high bit rates using samples, etc require a FW800 drive to work fast/efficiently. Ex: Film scoring. Those elaborate movie scores you hear are quite complex and require a hefty computer and a slew of FW drives pushing around audio files (samples) to render and mix.
- vypergts, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Let me be the first to welcome microsoft to the year 2004...
- breakneckridge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Wait, Microsoft announced that they're planning to deliver a feature sometime in the future? Amazing! They've never done that before!
- Chopper3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I don't understand why it would take this long, there's are virtually no API differences between 400 and 800, certainly no more than a couple of man-months (at worst). Guess they've finally realised that USB 2.0 can't cut it alone.
- jpt62089, on 10/12/2007, -3/+917" MBP does ;) and I know the "ProMac" will (Intel PowerMac)
- Ansible, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Not only that but FW 400 is limited to 100 mBps in XP sp2, we have to downgrade the drivers to support full speeds for cameras I use at work. Bottom line is microsoft is being dragged kicking and screaming into supporting fw at all.
- h3xley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6^^^ this is the highest scoring comment in the whole thread.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I never knew Microsoft never supported FW800, I have had it on my motherboard all along and thought it would work at FW800 speeds with a FW800 device. I was even thinking about buying a FW800 enclosure, good thing I didn't.
This is really just unbelievable, macs have supported FW800 for the longest time. Does Microsoft realize that the wires are not really on fire? - CygnusX1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Wasn't "Firewire" created by Apple? http://developer.apple.com/hardwaredrivers/firewire/index.html Naturally I would hope it has been supported by them for years, being as they are the ones who brought the tech into play. I wonder how many people are out there who have really had a day where they've told themselves..."oh God...if only I had firewire right now."
- GregMote, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8But the newest new Intel Mac, the 17" MacBook Pro does have FireWire 800.
- macskickass, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Actually MS has a patch for SP2 systems:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885222 - zweben, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I'm with deadbaby. I'm surprised it didn't already support it, but better late than never.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4it's not as if firewire is exclusive to macs... sony pushes it really heavy for all their DV stuff, they just call it i.Link, but it is the same interface... oh, and pretty much every DV or Digital-8 camera of any brand has a firewire/i.Link/ieee1394 connector... i bought a firewire/ieee1394 hard drive for my sony laptop like 4 years ago, when USB was still completely ***** for hard drives...
- ModernDayDarwin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7glad to know it's not just me..
- kodek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6In other news, Microsoft decided to make IE follow all standards the right way.
- Chopper3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yes but eSATA is for drives, what about HD Video?
- pinkgreenblue, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12Another reason I love my Mac. Mac OS X has supported FireWire 800 for so long now.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3ESATA may take off as a method of very fast transfer for things other than hard drives. It would be useful for TV-Capture or DV-Camcorders.
- Jonny5alive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Wow. Firewire 800 has been available for how long now? Must be over 3 years.
And Vista doesn't come out to next year and it won't support it. Jeez.... - snerge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It looks to me that's the way they chose to be able to finally release Vista. They are years from their initial release date. Vista has to come out, "not much matters now", they have already dropped EFI and other great, needed, features for today's OSes.
It will be fun to see which of those features that were to come out initially will be released in SP1 & 2
Again, this is just my opinion - DiggerTheDog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2FW800 support is welcome news considering Vista is probably going to be delayed again...
http://today.reuters.com/business/newsArticle.aspx?type=technology&storyID=nN02271704 - magila, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Nope sorry eSATA cannot be used for anything other than block storage devices. Well theoretically it could but it'd be an ugly, non-standard hack that no company would trouble itself with.
- laserob, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Maybe Apple can write something to enable the FireWire 800 port on the MacBook Pro 17" in boot camp. Apple to the rescue.
- JeffH, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4eSATA will have overtaken the external port market almost completely before Firewire 800 hits Windows.
- uownedge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@YoDiggity
My thoughts exactly. All I could do was roll my eyes. - suede, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1WinFS, anyone?
- Chopper3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What, people with video cameras you mean?
USB can't handle video as it doesn't do isochronous - The_Decryptor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Apple has to support a miniscule hardware configurations, Windows is a much bigger scale."
That makes no sense, this is Windows not supporting something, that argument only makes sense when talking about mac's and hardware. - Kamael, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Best. Reply. Ever.
- dhan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Apple has to support a miniscule hardware configurations, Windows is a much bigger scale.
- perlmunger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Although it won't be ready for Vista's initial release"....
Hey, that's new--something that isn't going to ship on Windows XP 2007. - ejde, on 10/12/2007, -9/+8Well, if you've noticed, new Intel based Macs don't have a FW 800 connector. Only the top end laptop.
- Rigbymatt, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Metabolife: Macs have supported FW800 since its birth, simply because apple invented the standard.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2"eSATA will have overtaken the external port market almost completely before Firewire 800 hits Windows." QFR
- axonal, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3Next up, Microsoft will support *gasp* ADC
- pidge, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1I've been using Maxthon for a long time and not had any problems.
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