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- atdigg, on 10/11/2007, -33/+357When they will learn that the more they will try to hit Linux the more they will legitimize it. Besides people are not stupid the know how reliable is Windows...
- whatsgoodike, on 10/11/2007, -18/+335holy crap, MS isn't messing around anymore; i think their next ad will just say: "Windows is better!!!11!!! Linux is less better!!"
- kingkilr, on 10/11/2007, -15/+254Where I work we run both Linux and Windows servers, guess what?
They both work fine, all it takes is a competent network engineer. - deadowl, on 10/11/2007, -23/+247Microsoft calls it "Get the Facts." I call it free advertising.
- alanic, on 10/11/2007, -12/+232Highly reliable?
Did you see how the same quote is attributed to two different people? On the newspaper image on top, it is Ed Castillo. Go a little bottom and find the white over grey title "Reports and Case Studies". Surprise! On the right there is Capital Engineering with the same quote: "With the Linux-based platform we would have a system crash at least once a week. Migrating to a Microsoft-based system has virtually eliminated server crashes and we have vendor support." but this time, by Hussein Kaddoura. Reliable indeed! =D - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+214what OS do google, amazon and ebay servers run on? oh yeah...linux
get the facts, indeed - sishgupta, on 10/11/2007, -17/+209What a joke!
"Reliablity of windows server over Linux: With the linux-based platform we would have a system crash at least once a week."
If this was April I would for sure think this was an April Fools joke. That line above is priceless. - sparton, on 10/11/2007, -12/+182I like the top right.
"With the Linux based platform we would have a system crash at least once a week"
They need to learn how to set up their servers because my server =
Server Online since:
183d, 1:09h - Stonedonkey, on 10/11/2007, -15/+171I'll bet Torvalds is quite pleased by this new level of publicity.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -14/+160As someone who works on one of the worlds largest Linux clusters, I only have this to say:
BUWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!! - schestowitz, on 10/11/2007, -23/+157Microsoft has already received the 'facts' from the study they funded. It did not like the results, so these weren't really published. The Comes vs Microsoft exhibits (2006) reveal this. Check this out:
,----[ Quotes with annotation ]
| "(Microsoft manager:) I don't like the fact that the report show us losing
| on TCO on webservers. I don't like the fact that the report show us losing
| on availability (windows was down more than linux). And I don't like the
| fact that the reports says nothing new is coming with windows .net server."
|
| [...]
|
| "I don't like it to be public on the doc that we sponsored it because I
| don't think the outcome is as favorable as we had hoped. I just don't like
| competitors using it as ammo against us. It is easier if it doesn't mention
| that we sponsored it."
`----
http://www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/9000/PX09695.pdf
Ouch! Microsoft's OWN biased studies shows that Linux was BETTER. - 89vision, on 10/11/2007, -4/+132To me that says a lot more about the competence of their administrators than what software they should be running.
- Chazzer3, on 10/11/2007, -16/+140Yes, they're gonna need that 'Vendor Support' ...
- noahhoward, on 10/11/2007, -8/+93Personal computers != servers.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+82"what OS do Google, Amazon and Ebay servers run on? oh yeah...Linux"
Oh I wish I could digg that comment a hundred times. - supergwiz, on 10/11/2007, -2/+72Talk about hypocrites.. The featured company's website uses... you guessed it: Linux running Apache!
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.capitaleng.ca - Philluminati, on 10/11/2007, -9/+76This is the ***** stupidest thing I've ever read. If it crashes in the second week...fix the ***** problem!!!!
I bet they got a massive discount on their software from Microsoft for that inane statement. ***** - covert215, on 10/11/2007, -6/+73From the site:
Wipro Technologies: "Linux required 77% more costs in ongoing patch management support than Windows."
1. How does free patching present additional costs?
2. Is this claiming that not providing patches is better? - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+68Rape isn't a laughing matter.... unless you're raping a clown.
- radu79, on 10/11/2007, -9/+68Well, we use FreeBSD (not really Linux) for our MMO server, and we are very happy with it. I am sure that Windows would be adequate for it as well, but I think a Unix solution is better, and it's free too.
The only thing that makes Windows better is the hardware support (on FreeBSD, for example, many motherboards, RAID, network cards, etc. don't work very well due to the lack of drivers). - noahhoward, on 10/11/2007, -6/+64That's why they neeed the vendor support.
- chrono13, on 10/11/2007, -9/+65"my personal XP PC has been on for over half a year"
With regular restarts right? A restart at least every second Tuesday of each month right?
I keep my Windows system on ~30 days and taking into account applications requesting restarts and whatnot (TortoiseSVN was the most recent), probably has an average uptime of ~15-20 days.
Aeaus, I'll assume you aren't one of them, but it is annoying as hell to hear some bot infected moron who thinks Anti virus and three spyware scanners are 100% effective at catching malicious code and have 180 days uptime with Windows. Thanks for the spam ***** (you know who you are). Screw uptime, PATCH your systems! Scanners are only a small part of administration of a Windows system. - jcaino, on 10/11/2007, -0/+55183 days?
that isn't anything. here's one of our servers here at work, running freebsd 4.8:
# uptime
7:31PM up 1086 days, 21:54, 45 users, load averages: 0.77, 0.33, 0.18 - mbthompson, on 10/11/2007, -4/+58How dare you call me a printer server!
- Ransomowris, on 10/11/2007, -13/+67"...next-generation Microsoft technology..."
And yet the platform was introduced in 2003...Irony?
Also notice that godaddy has a quote on there. Godaddy hosts diggnation, does it not? :( - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+49Microsoft slammed over misleading Windows Linux claims :
THE UK Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has upheld a series of public complaints over an advert in a magazine comparing the cost of Linux versus Microsoft Windows.
An advert it ran compared the two operating systems to each other, but Windows was running on a measly dual 900MHz Xeon configuration, while Linux was running on a z900 IBM mainframe.
The advert appeared in an IT magazine and was headed: "Weighing the cost of Linux vs Windows? Let's review the facts".
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=18067 - jaywag, on 10/11/2007, -0/+43Our Linux server has only been up for 150 days. But then again, we took it out of the box it was shipped in 150 days ago, so I guess I can't ask for a longer streak.
- uzytkownik, on 10/11/2007, -12/+50Well. I'm GNU/Linux user who loves betas and alphas on desktop. However I get less crashes per hour of working then on Windows XP.
If they have a crash once per week what do they have on this server? I have 13 days of uptime on server because I update kernel 13 days ago ;) - stephenwq, on 10/11/2007, -8/+44Im pretty sure i've never had to pay to run:
apt-get update
then
apt-get upgrade
or
yum update - eclectro, on 10/11/2007, -5/+41Since when has anybody called Microsoft for support?? Anybody??
- ChayD, on 10/11/2007, -4/+40In answer to:
1. Patching potentially costs "manpower" and possible downtime if something messes up.
2. M$ claim that their OS is so stable and secure that patches aren't required - or that it's fully automatic
(yeah right - we had about 20 of our customers coming into our co-lo facility to reboot their windoze boxes
which has done an automatic upgrade but had failed to come up after a reboot)) - 4DFX, on 10/11/2007, -0/+35According to that guy, my weeks must be damn long!
Here are my server's stats:
01:25:08 up 282 days - init100, on 10/11/2007, -0/+34I didn't check all your links, but one of my favourites was when Microsoft compared Windows Server 2003 on an ordinary Intel Xeon-based PC with Red Hat Linux on an expensive IBM zSeries mainframe, and concluded that Linux was 10 times as expensive as Windows.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3600724.stm - ArielMT, on 10/11/2007, -2/+36http://bash.org/?741630
matt____: hey guys is there a way to patch an older redhat server??
matt____: Linux devcvs 2.2.16-22 #1 Tue Aug 22 16:49:06 EDT 2000 i686 unknown
Evolution: holy hell
Evolution: 2.2.16?
Evolution: just out of curiosity, what's the uptime on that antique?
matt____: devnu11:18am up 2287 days, 2:52, 25 users, load average: 1.76, 1.26, 0.70
:Zathrus: gods - mrsteveman1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+35Akamai, the company that has been hosting large amounts of Microsoft services for the last 6 years, uses Linux.........
So Microsoft apparently trusts Akamai to host their own services.....yea that makes sense.
Microsoft, if i were you, i would demand that Akamai use Windows 2003 server, i mean we wouldnt want your Windows websites to crash multiple times a week now would we?
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/netblock?q=AKAMAI-PA,84.53.138.0,84.53.139.255 - Wootery, on 10/11/2007, -0/+32"Let's put it on the Digg front page to help get Microsoft more hits."
I think it's fair to say that every digger is already quite familiar with Microsoft... - mesmeriffic, on 10/11/2007, -6/+34PEBKAC
- rauz, on 10/11/2007, -7/+35Wow they really compression-raped this jpg.
http://www.microsoft.com/canada/getthefacts/images/switchback_eng.jpg - gehenna, on 10/11/2007, -4/+32just checked my fedora box - uptime 310 days....
rebooted by server 2k3 box twice last week.... - zweben, on 10/11/2007, -2/+30It's not the compression. The logo and orange text are fine.
The lazy graphic designer just enlarged rasterized text in photoshop, so it's interpolated. - fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -6/+34One wonders why you would ever use JPEG over GIF/PNG for text...
- upsilonh24, on 10/11/2007, -6/+33Porn runs on Linux. Get the facts.
- meez, on 10/11/2007, -3/+28@uzytkownik (#6772915)
I had a blue screen yesterday while playing a HD-DVD.
Windows XP SP2.
They still exist. - DarkDragon, on 10/11/2007, -2/+27They cut off the end of the quote, it doesn't crash every week, but we have to reboot every 2 hours...
- ArielMT, on 10/11/2007, -5/+29@smartass007
"what OS do Google, Amazon and Ebay servers run on? oh yeah...Linux"
Hate to say it (well, as a former eBay seller, no I don't), but eBay runs on Windows. And in spite of all the application and response problems users have had in spite of (or because of) their Windows infrastructure, the only thing that's kept eBay in business is a campaign of brand awareness.
http://searchdns.netcraft.com/?host=ebay.com&position=limited&lookup=Search
The basic truth of your statement is correct in spite of this one technicality.
The fact Microsoft wish we wouldn't get is that eBay and Microsoft are the only Internet superpowers who use Windows through and through. Look behind just about any other big name, and you'll find Linux powering it. - Wootery, on 10/11/2007, -4/+27I'm as pro-Linux as the next digger, but your reasoning of "the product costs money, so the total cost of the system must be greater" is not always true.
A payware product can save you more money than it cost.
That's not to say that Windows is worth it, but some things are. - zcat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+23Out of the ten companies listed on that page, two are using Linux to host their main website and three are using the open source Apache server in preference to IIS.
I mean sure this is less-than-average numbers, but having _any_ linux servers show up hosting Microsoft's list of "why we gave up on linux" companies has got to be bad!
http://www.conti-online.com/
Linux IBM_HTTP_Server
http://www.capitaleng.ca/
Linux Apache
http://gri.uc.edu/
Windows Server 2003 Apache/2.0.59 Win32 PHP/5.1.5
http://www.yankeegroup.com/
Windows Server 2003 Apache-Coyote/1.1 - LeeVal, on 10/11/2007, -7/+27This is from a while back, this hasn't just been released
- atbnet, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20I'm an avid Windows desktop user however, my servers are strictly Linux. Here's a RHE 3 Box
19:02:33 up 427 days, 22:02, 1 user, load average: 1.12, 1.06, 1.01 - uzytkownik, on 10/11/2007, -3/+22Well. I think it's more then lack of knowledge... GNU/Linux according to my experience do not crash out of box ;)
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