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- OperatorNo9, on 10/12/2007, -25/+77Yes. Yes. We all know that Apple is "more better", "more prettier", and just down right "more easier" than Windows.
- threepio, on 10/12/2007, -36/+88Down right more easy? Sure.
Upgrading to 10.5? Here's the 1x1 matrix:
Buy 10.5.
Christ, you can digg it down if you want, but I still have no idea which version of Vista Media Ultimate Super Happy Lucky Edition I need to install on my home built PC to get it to work with my 360 for video. I'm still not even sure how Aero Glass is going to run. With Apple, I'm going to spend $129, get a disc, plug it in and it'll work.
p.s. If you're comparing OS X to AOL, you clearly haven't spent enough time with it. Let me know when I can ssh into my work terminal with AOL, mmmkay? - eric0213, on 10/12/2007, -1/+49If you plan on upgrading your Windows ME capable hardware to Vista, a clean install should be the least of your worries.
- Grimdotdotdot, on 10/12/2007, -5/+35"Confused yet?"
No - it's not exactly complicated, is it? - durandal2005, on 10/12/2007, -7/+33See, this is why Vista will never make it as a serious desktop OS: there are too many distributions... err, versions.
:P - nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31bad news for those of us that got screwed and bought XP64 too. I know it sucks really badly, and I've come to accept that, but why can't I upgrade? there are fully 64-bit versions of vista so why wouldn't I be able to upgrade to one of those?
Whatever, I basically re-install windows every 30 days anyways so I can get all my free trials for those really expensive programs again, but it's still stupid.
Hopefully the 64-bit vistas will HAVE ***** DRIVERS. - schleppo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29How is this confusing? A toddler who's played Connect Four and read a TV Guide once in their life could understand the chart. Now MS versioning, there's a head scratcher.
- Gregd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26What is interesting is that Microsoft will include all versions on all CD's and DVD's and it will merely require purchasing a license code to unlock the higher versions. I'm not sure how they'll combat piracy with this implementation, but it should be interesting to watch.....
- threepio, on 10/12/2007, -7/+28""Upgrading to 10.5? Here's the 1x1 matrix:
Buy 10.5."
For only $100! Just like you paid $100 each for 10.4, 10.3, 10.2, and 10.1!
That's right, keeping an Apple OS up-to-date for a few years will only cost you $500!!! But you probably won't care since you already overpaid for the proprietary hardware!!!"
Well, I joined the Mac Crew at 10.3, but for argument's sake let's look at that:
When 10.0 Launched you would have been using Windows 98, Windows ME or Windows 2000 or NT4 (Possibly 95 if you really didn't have a clue). To Upgrade(tm) to XP it ran you $189.99 Canadian for the home edition and $299.99 for the Pro edition. Should you need a clean install it was $299 and $499 respectively.
Let's count some OS X updates then: 10.1 was free. 10.2, 10.3, 10.4 have all been $129.99 Canadian. That's $387, roughly - or about $88 more than the Pro Upgrade of XP.
So let's say you decide to upgrade to Window Vista Ultimate from Pro. $299 Canadan again.
So: In six years you'll have had 2 Operating system updates (and don't feed me the Service Pack ***** line - that ***** should have worked out of the box), countless versions of Antivirus and firewalls (Free or otherwise) and an end user cost of at least $449 Canadian up to $600 Canadian.
Meanwhile Mac Users have had constant feature updates, regular security patches (none of this service pack nonsense) and a very simple upgrade path for a grand total of $516 - That's IF they've bought each update.
I'll upgrade if I get a comped copy from MS here at work, but to be honest, Vista's looking more and more like a time and money sink. - flernk, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24Ahhhhh... Now it's perfectly clear.
- spectre_25gt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Jesus, why can't you anti-mac people figure this out?
Windows 2000 = NT 5.0.x
Windows XP = NT 5.1.x
Your service packs change the x. Not the major point. It's exactly the same with Apple except you get a new service pack every month and a half or so, and you get new OS upgrades available (they're not a forced upgrade like everyone tries to say) every year and a half or so. Compare that to windows where you get a new service pack about every two years if you're lucky and a new OS whenever they feel like it. - praseodym, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23From the article:
"Note that the requirement for clean installs does not mean that the user is required to purchase a full version of the operating system. XP Pro, XP Pro x64 and Windows 2000 users will still be able to purchase the "upgrade edition" of any version of Vista. They just won't be able to install over their existing files and settings.
Users of Windows versions prior to 2000 will not be eligible for the upgrade version of Vista and must both purchase a full version and do a clean install." - Magadass, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23Exactly, if you got confused by this please shoot yourself in the head. You will be doing humanity a favor!
- joshman5k, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Even though i wont need a fresh install, i think it is nice to do so, every now and then anyway. Blow out the cobwebs.. so to speak :P
- Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20"Congratulations!!! You seriously overpaid for it! Apple's charging you twice as much for the same x86 architecture!!! But they put the word "Apple" on it, so it obviously doubles in value!!"
2001 called. They want their "Mac hardware is so much more expensive than PC hardware!" cliché back. I'm not even remotely an Apple fan and even I know that it's well established that Mac and PC hardware of comparable specifications cost pretty much the same price these days. - MatthewDoucette, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Not confusing at all. But I will be doing a fresh install no matter what.
- inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16> Jesus, why can't you anti-mac people figure this out?
Because, their heads are so comfy in the sand like that. - Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16@ goffy59
That was his joke asshat. - brendanc, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20Talk about misinterpreted. While I'm not defending MS's poor marketing campaign, there are some gross misconceptions about Vista.
The patches will be the same across all versions of Vista. The only thing that will change is the "premium" software included for "better" versions of Vista. The only differences between each build are extraneous software.
You don't lose functionality by getting a "lower" version unless you actually *need* the program that you would have if you upgraded. And I doubt that you would, since you wouldn't have it until Vista came out anyway.
How is this any different than it was before? XP Home doesn't work with ACPI Multiprocessor PC's, but XP Pro does. Why is Vista going to be any different? Again, *all they are adding is SOFTWARE*. - Gregd, on 10/12/2007, -10/+24Yes because there is only 1 *nix distribution to choose from ...*grin*
- Elfman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Microsoft has attempted to "make it simple" in the past but then companies and governments start throwing out phrases like "anti-trust", "monopoly" and "non-competitive practices". I would imagine for the most part, MS would rather keep it simple for its customers.
- Shivoa, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Bad news for anyone who has been persuaded by a techie friend to go for a nice stable install of 2000 during the ME fiasco and was planning on doing an upgrade without first buying WinXP Home.
I'm guessing most geeks were planning on a backup and fresh install for their own computers but for ease of upgrade I can see quite a few less IT literate being thrown into the darkness with all the upgrade problems if they're not currently on XP Home. - ScornForSega, on 10/12/2007, -32/+44"Upgrading to 10.5? Here's the 1x1 matrix:
Buy 10.5."
For only $100! Just like you paid $100 each for 10.4, 10.3, 10.2, and 10.1!
That's right, keeping an Apple OS up-to-date for a few years will only cost you $500!!! But you probably won't care since you already overpaid for the proprietary hardware!!!
"But I have intel hardware"
Congratulations!!! You seriously overpaid for it! Apple's charging you twice as much for the same x86 architecture!!! But they put the word "Apple" on it, so it obviously doubles in value!! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20How 'bout just TWO versions? Client and Server.
I feel sorry for the folks who have to develop and keep up with all the patches for the 24 variations of Vista. - inquis1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14"Christ, you can digg it down if you want, but I still have no idea which version of Vista Media Ultimate Super Happy Lucky Edition I need to install on my home built PC to get it to work with my 360 for video."
Home Premium - includes Glass and Media Center.
There are actually only three versions a home user needs to care about: Home Basic (no Glass, no MCE, will probably come on cheap Compaq-type PCs), Home Premium (Glass and MCE) and Ultimate (with subscription services bundled in, and the full business feature set.) The other editions are business-only and completely irrelevant. - aclements, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Actually, with XP Pro and Home, all they did was cripple it. All of the parts for Pro were also on the Home CD, they just broke them (more).
- blanski, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Dugg up. It's sad to see how most people can't detect sarcasm...
- brendanc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10That's actually much more confusing to the average, Joe Schmoe user.
I can see it now, "An extra disc? Whats this? Whatever, probably don't need this" *toss in pile of unused software discs*. - sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16Yeah, the only one that is confused is the OP and the article's author. The matrix is pretty simple..
- warpzone, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15...and slowly kills you.
- juneof44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6No, apparently, YOU have to know the features of the versions.
I'm guessing you work in some chain store selling these products? If it is your job, I suppose you should learn the versions and be happy the customer is going to buy it?
Upgrading the versions online would be foolish. Nobody would upgrade once the software was installed. It's your job, oh sage of Best Buy, to push the Ultimate version to all. - evilkat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Wait why is this confusing? There's a simple Matrix which tells you EXACTLY how you can upgrade. Where does 'confusing' come into this picture???
- blanski, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Exactly! Finally a comment that makes sense. I don't find this confusing in the least bit. Perhaps its because I'm an IT professional who can do O.S. installs with his eyes closed by now. But then again this table isn't meant for the "standard user" who knows nothing about computers and just wants the latest gimmick that they'll never use.
Make the table MORE complicated. That way it might prevent Joe Schmoe from upgrading their P2 450MHz, 64Mb RAM computer to Vista and then call me asking why his computer is so slow after he spent $200 on this "upgrade". - Pattyo13, on 05/14/2009, -2/+7well, they're doing away with WGA, just in time to bring in VGA
- nnonix, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8 .. and the truth of the matter is, people will buy it like mad, upgrade when they have to and it will still be number 1. Man that's gotta hurt.
- bleonard, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12An upgrade matrix for a mass market consumer operating system? Is MS trying to shy even more people away from the upgrade? People who think of upgrading their own computer to Vista will look at this and say "I'll just wait until I need to buy a new computer". To me it looks like the only way they're going to get Vista into the hands of non-business users is through PC sales. And now with a Mac being able to run Windows natively or "quick enough" in virtualization its going to be harder than before to get a person to buy a new pc running Windows.
How about just a consumer vista and an enterprise vista; case closed. - endtime, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I'm sorry to say this, but if you find that confusing, you're an idiot.
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Where does it say/imply you have to pay more ?
Just because you can't do an UPGRADE from Pro to Home Premium doesn't mean you have to pay for the Business or Ultimate version.
Simply buy WHATEVER one you want (You'll be able to get it as the 'Upgrade' version and will simply have to insert your old Win XP Pro cd during installation, or via a similar method - like with upgrading/clean install from other versions of Windows prior to XP) and do a CLEAN INSTALL. - SpacemanSpiff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Agreed. You might as well wipe the slate clean and avoid the potential for any problems with the upgrade.
- technique, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I think this matrix is fantastic. I now know exactly which one I'm going to buy -- none of them.
- tejaycar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yes, media center updates are free. Go to microsoft.com and download the upgrade for MCE 2005. If you have autoupdate turned on then you probably have been upgraded already, you just didn't know it.
- Pattyo13, on 05/14/2009, -2/+6 1 for the appropriate usage of "asshat"
- Metasquares, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6*math geek*
That's actually a 6 by 4 matrix. Rows come first.
*/math geek* - jonj, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8i don't understand why this seems so complicated to some people? hell, half the digg'ers are probably just going to pirate Vista anyways, what to they care...
- mattdew, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5How is this confusing? It seems like some people will jump at any opportunity to take a swipe at Microsoft for doing something they think is stupid or confusing...but this hardly qualifies. Oh good heavens...too many choices...and a 4x6 matrix with two colors....how ever will I figure this out.
Since when was having a choice a bad thing? The same people who give Microsoft hell for releasing so many versions of Vista are suspiciously silent about there being umpteen million versions of Linux. Get over your Microsoft hatred.... - deverill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Why can't "Windows upgrades suck" just be "Windows upgrades suck" and not turn into Windows versus Apple versus Linux bashing? C'mon guys, let's stick to the topic. Everyone knows there are alternatives and each has it's fanatical following but remember, you won't convert anyone by hitting every XX article with "YY is better".
- zevgreen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This has nothing to do with "Microsoft hatred". For 95% of the computer world, they will have no idea of what choice to make. The other 5% are either tech savvy business people or tech savvy geeks like you and I.
The point is, with Mac you have two choices, Regular or Server.
With Vista you should have 2 'maybe' 3 versions. 'Home', 'HomeAV' and 'Business'. It should really be 'Home' (that utilizes whatever the machine can handle) and 'Business' (which should give you a server choice at install since the guy installing the Business OS should be "savy" enough to know what to choose). The fact that there is a 'Home Professional' category as well as an 'Ultimate Grand Mufti' edition doesn't make any sense. You are either a Basic user, a professional techy guy, or a business user. That's it! Why they have to create 400 classes of home user is beyond me. It's like when I get asked to fix friend's machines and they have 'XP Pro' but I have to teach them how to double click... the intentional marketing gets in the way of the intent of the version separation. This is along the lines of which version of Visio I am supposed to use. Am I an engineer, a professional, a sheep herder? Who cares, gimme the freaking program already!
As for the anti-Microsoft comment, people are anti-Microsoft for very good reasons. We can create a thread for that. But it sounds like you are more the sycophant for Microsoft than others are for being anti-Microsoft. IMHO of course. - Canthros, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This is a bit misleading: you can still, legitimately, purchase the 'upgrade' version of Windows Vista (Home (Basic|Premium)|Business|Ultimate), but you won't necessarily be able to install it over whichever version of Windows you're using now.
WinXP 64 and Win2K users will have to do a clean install, regardless.
XP Media center will only require a clean install if upgrading to Vista Home Basic or Vista Business.
XP Pro and XP Tablet users will require a clean install if they upgrade to Vista Home (either version).
Users of XP Home don't have to worry about this problem at all.
If you plan to do a clean install in first place, you don't care about this information. - orlandogeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3As someone who's been doing technical support for over 8 years, I cant state clearly enough to everyone I work with the following: Upgrading ANY Windows version is bad bad bad! Back up your data, nuke the drive and reinstall everything from scratch otherwise you'll be doing it all again in a few short months. Even if your computer appears to be running properly on your current Windows install, there are likely so many remnants of programs left from past application installs and uninstalls that it's just a ticking time bomb. Upgrading, at least in my experience, only serves to pull the pin on that grenade.
- millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3What would be nice is a table of what is and is not disabled for each version of Vista.
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