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- marnaq, on 10/12/2007, -2/+51Pervert.
- curmudgeon7205, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4181409 98802 05211 16691 08929 19973 46022 64738 77963 41548 35663
- hiscity, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Here's a cheaper way.
All you likely need to do is to watch spam email.
Seen all the emails with seemingly random words? - punchingjudy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12These shortwave stations have been around since WWI, but I guess this is news to some people. Reminds me of the related 2600/DefCon mini-project that popped up several months ago. [See Off The Hook 08/09/06].
- punchingjudy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9[Project Evil was the the group that set up the project.] http://www.projectevil.org/?p=14
- Arkonnan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Please, that would be a step up from clicking on featured articles before blindly digging them.
You ask too much of us, sir. - Pyrogen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7For those wondering what these messages sound like, Archive.org and the Conet Project bring you... http://www.archive.org/details/ird059
- jjohnstn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Also try 11, 175 KHZ in Upper Side Band. Lots of military traffic, and if your lucky you'll hear a "Foxtrot" broadcast: "Skyking, Skyking, Do Not Answer" followed by coded groups. This is supposedly the go/no-go nuclear launch code for strategic forces worldwide. Eerie....
- trashcat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+74 8 15 16 23 42
- Tivor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Why would the go out of their way to email EVERYONE that isn't a spy than just firing off an email to the one person that is?"
To hide who the real recepient is, maybe? :P - Satanael, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Yes, yes I loved the fruit cake you sent me for Christmas.
- leighsah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The group Wilco made an album several years ago called Yankee Hotel Foxtrot with a song called Poor Places that samples a track from a numbers station. They were sued by a label that recorded these number stations and had to pay a significant amount of money.
Here's a link to an old story.
http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,63952,00.html - jhshukla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4>> to email EVERYONE that isn't a spy
to disguise as spam. duh! haven't you ever heard of phrases "security through obscurity" and "hidden in plain sight"? obviously, the parent was meant as a joke but your thinking needs improvement. - YellowPostit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Google "tracking the lincolnshire poacher" and there's a Radio 4 programme all about them too. You can indeed pick them up with normal SW radios. They've been going for years - I think they were highest in number during the Cold War.
Of course, unless you have a one-time pad to go with it the numbers are meaningless. Still a strangely compelling listen... - markthegoth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+61337!
- nobogeys217, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3do you email your mother with that keyboard?
- jvicinanza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Here is a link to the BBC Radio program
http://www.futurafish.com/lp/bbcr4.wma
(c) BBC - British Broadcasting Company - Aharoni, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Never heard of this before. This has been, by far, one of the cooler things I've read through Digg.
- Derrekito, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Would you like a shiny new sticker?
- numba1xclusive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3So the french chick is a secret spy eh? Makes sense o_O
- Pyrogen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Its amazing how many people have never heard of Project Evil, but have heard of "that weird Mein Fraulien thing on Craigslist." When I found out about it, I asked around unfiction.com forums, and no one had heard of it. When I found the projectevil website, we thought it was neat, and was surprised people "looked into" the thing, but never found it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2numbers stations have been on the go for years, but without the appropriate one time pad they're next to useless,
i have some recordings on the computer and they're quite freaky to listen to - jvicinanza, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Here are some audio examples of such broadcasts
http://home.freeuk.net/spook007/ - Teratogen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2SKYKING SKYKING, DO NOT ANSWER
- nullmind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Thats the technique for getting past spam filters... Why would the go out of their way to email EVERYONE that isn't a spy than just firing off an email to the one person that is?"
Well, the short-wave radio sends the signal to everyone... - Tarnum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Broadcasts can be received by anyone, yes, but the spy guy will need to listen to the shortware radio to receive the message(s). If the guy is under suspicion, the eavesdroppers will hear him listening and he is toast.
- marnaq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Scary.
- OOTay, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Bond, James Bond.
- Agret, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@mark101
What's that got to do with anything? And it's not like a real life one, it's the one from LOST.... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Only if you can crack the one-time pad that they use, which is by the way is known to be perfectly secure. So unless you happen to be very lucky and the spies use the same pad twice, it is very unlikely that the world will be yours.
- insomniac8400, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why not just jam the signals?
- jvicinanza, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ive known about this for sometime. Its true. Some of the benefits of this include; The spy can receive the message just about anywhere in the world with an inexpensive SW radio that can be purchased just about anywhere and It is impossible to trace the signal. The stations that transmit the signal are known as Number Stations.
Very interesting!
Check out the Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_station - samstafford, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@ ispshadow
the ability to contain the totally irrelavent information that OH GOD you submitted this and want your special award because the site is totally about credit to who submits the story, not just reading it. - Tarnum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It is relly, really old news.
According to my grandfather, a WWII telegraph operator and HAM fan, some of these stations existed in the 1940s. - rouslan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually it's possible to trace the signal using RDF (radio direction finding) with triangulation. Problem is the process and equipment are very expensive, and some borders are restricted (such as the former USSR). It would take a long amount of time, by which the signal could be already terminated.
- jull1234, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Coast to Coast AM has shows on this every so often. Best damn show on air after midnight.
- wallet55, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1am i the only one who wonders, in the days of onion routers etc, whether this is something akin to crop circles?
- GatsBestFriend, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This has convinced me to buy a short wave radio.
- rouslan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1For those noobs who don't know what shortwave is, you can't receive these messages on your cheap AMFM tuner. You need a real radio which receives 1.7-30MHz or even more. For cheap radios try looking on ebay or at the dump. For professional (but $$$) look for ham radio transceivers online.
Part of the reason the US shifted to AMFM is to prevent normal citizens from listening to international stations (instead listen to local propaganda) and government, military, etc. broadcasts not intended for the public. That is one reason why you would rarely even see a shortwave, longwave radio in the US.
For those who say the internet is the best, not every place in the world has a cell tower or wifi hotspot. Plus there is NO way someone will know your listening, unlike internet communication that can be tapped. Broadcasts can be received anywhere in the world, and even from outer space. - RatTrap, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1where can i get one of these radios?
- AngryBoy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The thing that bothers me about this article, is that it makes it seem like we're 100% certain that these messages are for spies. In all likelihood, they are, but no government has ever come out and said officially that is true! In fact, most governments will deny the messages even exist. For all we know, some of these stations could just misinformation stations. Garbage messages place on the airwaves to confuse and waste the resources of anyone that should attempt to decode their meaning. Either way, it's spooky... especially when you stumble upon your first message.
"Sierra Yankee November Two" - totallydismayed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Shortwave radios used to be available at Radio Shack (image that) years ago, but I don't think they sell them anymore. You can find them online though, such as at grove-ent.com, one of the oldest in the radio biz. Also eBay is a great place to find them cheap. It's a cool hobby, you can hear broadcasts from all around the world. Before the internet came into being, folks used to even set up open-air BBSes over "packet radio" signals. Slow Scan TV and other video was also seen occasionally. Both are still possible today, just maybe not as common.
- madhaha, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Papa November. Papa November.
- jeebusroxors, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I seem to remember noone knowing what these where about. They were assumed to be spy messages...But I could be the "man" trying to keep you guys down.
- ShadowMarth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Yes, but first, you must find a drugstore!
- Vidi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Interesting, now all I need is a shortwave radio, and the world will be mine!!!!
- liljenny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This reminds me of the strange faxes i get every now and then. 3 pages of tiny text talking about Mr. XX and security breaches with 160 year old Semitic Jews.
- mark101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Man that is VERY FUNNY.It's like a real life dharma project.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHARMA_Initiative
- mark101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0they do/did. during the cold war http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_jamming
- shapeshifta, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I totally agree that these numbers stations could be misinformation. What better way to get your enemies to waste resources by putting out one time pads of "Remember to drink your ovaltine".
Someone obviously knows we're listening though, Israeli intelligence put out a cleartext message to spite everyone earlier this year..
http://randomgeek.com/2006/11/14/spy-message-captured-off-the-radio/ -
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