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- dstart, on 10/12/2007, -6/+316They think this is over? .. think again.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+210for every torrent tracker they take down two more will step up to take its place
- yensed, on 10/12/2007, -5/+149Wow, The MPAA sure seems happy. Needless to say, Hookers are going to get alot of business tonight.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+144"Anybody else want to call the phone numbers at the bottom and tell them where they can stick their press release?"
methinks it be time for some pirate themed prank calls!! YARGH! - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -5/+139They sound pretty confident that Pirate Bay is down for good.. I'd love to see this bite them in the ass if the tracker were to come back online again..
- tonyhartfield, on 10/12/2007, -8/+137html link to those of us who hate acrobat -
http://pdfdl.oceighty.net/pdf2html.php?url=http://www.mpaa.org/press_releases/2006_05_31.pdf - RyeBrye, on 10/12/2007, -3/+131I really think the tracker will be back up. The Pirate Bay gets a woody over defying authority. When they get their servers back up, I expect them to have a very public mockery of the MPAA on their site.
I don't even use The Pirate Bay - but because of this letter from the MPAA, I loathe the MPAA even more. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+134the mpaa is trying to invade digg! Battlestations!
- vypergts, on 10/12/2007, -6/+122Anybody else want to call the phone numbers at the bottom and tell them where they can stick their press release?
- automagnus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+117They may have sunk a ship but the armada still floats
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+100The Swedish Pirate party gained 500 members in /one day/ from this shut down. And the MPAA thinks they WON?
- CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -6/+88I've gotta tell you, when i worked for universal studios hollywood i saw what sort of people the lawyers are who run the upper echelons of that place. Take the most evil person lawyer you can think of and slap on more evil. These people are satan incarnate. They dont recognize another person as a human being. Its similar to how psychopaths can eat a person because they feel they are higher up on the food chain. It really made me sick. I say go ahead and hurt them and pirate the hell out of stuff if only to undercut those really unethical and mean people. I've met CEOs at companies who were really cool and I've met executives at companies who were a*holes but of all the people I've worked with the lawyers who work with the RIAA and MPAA at universal are the most vile people I've ever met.
- Clbck, on 10/12/2007, -3/+81They made a mockery of the companies lack of knowledge of Swedish laws. .Torrent files are perfectly legal to distribute in Sweden (or so I've heard).
- nstern2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+77we should all send them an email askng if they have the press release as a torrent.
- XxN3RDC0R3xX, on 10/12/2007, -11/+83He who disrespects the Pirate Bay disrespects digg.com
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+71how long before they create distributed torrent networks and websites? this will only make the technology for piracy more advanced...
- XxUNDEROATHxX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+70I dont think Ive ever seen the MPAA so excited.....I mean c'mon....They used exclimation points in their press release!
- silenceHR, on 10/12/2007, -4/+65just like suprnova killing was supposed to kill torrents.... nothing to see, move on (to next torrent site).
btw, there are much better torrent sites then pirate bay..... and i dont see torrents going away any time soon.
and _IF_ they do... there are so many other options, but trackerless torrents are IMHO the future.
my guess is this is more about Pirate Bay making fun of their legal threats then anything else. - RyeBrye, on 10/12/2007, -3/+63From the article:
For more information, contact:
MPAA Los Angeles
Kori Bernards or Elizabeth Kaltman
(818) 995-6600
MPAA Washington, D.C.
John Feehery or Gayle Osterberg
(202) 293-1966
Perhaps it's time to use some of those free Skype minutes to pick the brain of an MPAA employee about their actions?
Be sure to let us all know what response you get when you call... It would be a crying shame for all of us to try calling at once and to jam their phone lines... Lets be civilized here! :) - cyclotron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+61As long as it's back before the next Doctor Who season starts.
- mistshadow2k4, on 10/12/2007, -3/+60"It's only fair!!!"
Fairness works both ways, sweetie. They're not being fair in the least, what with constantly changing copyright laws entirely in their favor and overcharging out the yin-yang, so why should we be fair to them?
And btw, why is is fair for them to continually make money on past work when the rest of us don't? How do you think anyone would react if they had to pay me a hundred times for fixing their computer once?
You want to fight for fairness, that's great. But fairness is not what you seem to be advocating -- what you're advocating is bowing down and let them screw you over and over. I hope you don't mind too much if the rest of us would like a little lube? - puzzlesource, on 10/12/2007, -3/+59this is some funny stuff
"The major motion picture studios lost an estimated $6.1 billion to piracy in 2005. Internet piracy alone cost the studios $2.3 billion"
and this is in no way related to the crappy, sloppy, ***** junk that is released? not to mention the surge in hdtv's and dvd sales? Why would anyone pay ~$10 for tickets, another $10 for food to go to the movies where the damn kid won't stop talking on his cellphone, babies won't stop crying and kiddies won't stop acting retarded when they could buy the dvd, watch it in the comfort of their home on their 50" plasma hdtv's? Instead blame it all on piracy. I sure as hell hope the tpb returns...haven't used it in a while, but it'd be a bitchslap over these arrogant mpaa fools. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+61how? People pirate stuff they would not buy if there was no piracy. I, and many others, go by the rule if you use it/like it a lot, then buy it. It is okay to pirate if you do not think the software is worth it.
I am sick of buying crap software, wasting my hard earned money to buy games/utilities/music/whatever which is crap. Therefore, I pirate, and if I like it, I buy.
They are not losing the billions of dollars they are claiming, that pirated stuff that people would not buy in the first place. - Brereton55, on 10/12/2007, -5/+58and canadian
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+58he MPAA has a multi-pronged approach to fighting Internet piracy, which includes educating people about the consequences of piracy.
So lawsuits are a form of higher education now. - aplusplus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+50The only thing this accomplishes is boosting torrentspy's traffic.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+50If the guys who run The Pirate Bay are to be believed this type shutdown before proof of illegal activity is helping their Pirate Party gain support. Also this is just an investigation that could very well turn up nothing since Swedish copyright law differs from U.S or Canadian copyright law and the legal status of index such material isn't clear in Sweden. According to The Pirate Bay staff their is legal precedent that says services like that provided by pirate bay aren't illegal since they don't actually host the content, just link to it.
- n00854180t, on 10/12/2007, -3/+48Especially since the legality of torrents AFAIK still has to go to trial, so we may yet see TPB online. And hell, there's always Chinese servers, right?
- motbob, on 10/12/2007, -4/+48BREAKING NEWS
digg.com, Washington, DC --- Sources report that the Motion Picture Association of America headquarters in Washington, DC have been destroyed in the first pirate attack on the mainland United States in more than two centuries.
Chief of Police Paul Brockman told digg reporters that the building was "completely leveled" by what appeared to be cannon fire.
"I don't understand it," gasped a flabbergasted Dan Glickman, who is currently the President and CEO of the MPAA. "I had just had lunch at the Oceanairre when I heard what sounded like an explosion out at sea. I looked up and saw a ship that looked like it was two hundred years old. How could a few cannonballs demolish a 15 story building? I just don't get it."
The head of the Coast Guard, Gen. Jonathan Lawrence, had this to say about the attack. "No ship, new or old, should be able to get past our early warning defense systems. We are in the process of tracking the ship; however, a combination of aerial reconnasaince, standard radar systems, and highly advanced satellite imaging has not been able to locate it at this time." Authorities in Sweden have released reports that the perpetrators of the attack were administrators of the website www.thepiratebay.org and have expressed their sorrow to the MPAA that their headquarters have been demolished.
"There is a bright side to this, however," said Stellan Lind, head of the Antipiratbyrån, the Anti-Piracy bureau in Sweden. "When we attempted to apprehend those running the Pirate Bay, we were unsure that we would be able to arrest them, as no clear crime had been commited. However, I think we can all agree that destroying a 15 story building is a pretty big crime."
The pirates issued press release that contained only one word: "ARRRRRRR" - samdu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+47I'm going to laugh my ASS off if/when TPB comes out of this unscathed. Can't wait to see the response that they put up on the site.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+46*SMACK*
Name calling generally does not enhance your argument, and usually degrades it. Try and support you view, rather than flaming. - DiscoLoke, on 10/12/2007, -13/+52Maybe the US goverment should outsource it's intelligence to the MPAA... maybe they can find osama .
- 1ivewire, on 10/12/2007, -4/+43hydra
n 1: (Greek mythology) monster with nine heads; when struck off each head was replaced by two new ones; "Hydra was slain by Hercules"
2: trouble that cannot be overcome by a single effort because of its many aspects or its persistent and pervasive quality; "we may be facing a hydra that defies any easy solution" - sroerick, on 10/12/2007, -8/+46"I'll never understand why so many people (it seems the whole digg community) can support such blatantly illegal and immoral actions. Come on, if you don't want to pay for movies, music, or software, you shouldn't get the music, movies, or software. It's only fair!!!"
Clever technique -- issue a huge generalization , then an ad hominem attack.
I pirate for multiple motives. I don't like organizations like the RIAA and the MPAA -- they do far more to hurt the artist than I ever would, and I feel they promote substandard bands that would otherwise not be nearly as popular. I don't support intellectual property -- I believe it allows people to own ideas, and completly upsets supply and demand. I would willingly support artists, and have done so through concerts, etc, but the RIAA esesntially prevents this. - sroerick, on 10/12/2007, -8/+45Yahargh, we be here for ye MPAA salary.
Who's with me, me hearties? If it's a diggdown ye be wantin, then it's a diggdown ye be gettin! - el_jefe, on 10/12/2007, -14/+48I don't get it...
If a speeder is caught breaking the law, we do not punish the car maker for enabling him to break the law by giving the driver the ability to easily drive faster than the speed limit. Why punish those that make it easy for people to steal copyrighted work? The MPAA should be targeting the theives themselves for breaking the law. - rishubhav, on 10/12/2007, -7/+40Can someone DDOS this site?
- orlyyarly, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34Free SkypeOut calling!
- android8675, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29You can't buy press like this. Grats PirateBay guys... See you in a couple months?
- tardmongerster, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28"As long as it's back before the next Doctor Who season starts."
The second season is halfway over. The first 7 episodes are already available.
The new show would NEVER have gained so much popularity outside the UK if it wasn't for bittorrent. They weren't even going to release the DVDs in the US until they realized how many thousands of people were just waiting to buy, most of which had seen it via "illegal" downloads. My preorder from Amazon.com can be directly attributed to piracy. Is that sale deducted from their "piracy loss" numbers? - Dunadan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30One word: Adblock. Until I read this article I was unware TBP had any ads at all.
- BobInfinity, on 10/12/2007, -5/+29No, but three lefts do.
- brentcore, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27I'd like to see that too, but I think the bay's gone for good :( . What really disturbed me about the MPAA's press release is how they enjoyed highlighting the fact that the pirate bay frequently mocked the "anti-piracy" groups. The pirate bay appears to be specifically targeted (out of revenge) for their attitude towards cease and desist letters. Tis sad, because they were one of the few sites that didn't have MPAA-pandering slave talk disclaimers all over their pages. This sort of thing reinforces a culture of fear on the internet.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27I love how the entire press release is riddled with awful grammar. Awesome job, guys!
- Nerys, on 10/12/2007, -9/+29Well its complicated it IS POSSIBLE for two wrongs to result in a right end even though its still wrong to do it.
The creation of this country was illegal. it was high treason. we SECEDED from britain. we did not exist and then britain come and try to take over we CAME FROM BRITAIN and then said we dont want to be part of you anymore after they PAID for us to be here.
Now the revolution and declaration of independance were "wrong" but they resulted in a RIGHT result.
Making any sense (note when we formalized this country we also made the very act that created this country (secession) Illegal :-) I have always found that interesting :-) hehehe
Anyway the normal channels to handle an unfair corporate structure legally ie the "right way" are simply broken they don't work anymore.
Some of my thought on this - random
First its not theft. you can not steal intellectual property. its infringement. its still wrong but its not theft.
Second infringing on "broad cast" material is not to me and never should be illegal infringement. they put it out there freely we should be allowed to do anything we want with it (for personal use only)
that should be fair use INCLUDING sharing it online and sharing it with friends etc.. (no profit) although mandating it remain unmodified of its basic content is ok with me (ie leave in the commercials etc..) when distributing. the end user should be allowed to do anything they want with it without restrictions of oversight whatsoever so long as its personal and the modified version is not redistributed massively (but sharing should be ok)
the only limits should be "paid" content such as payperview or restricted channels like HBO etc..
Music is another issue. I am of the feeling that low quality mp3 (96kbit or lower) should be freely distributed as no different than "radio" is except by end users.
96kbit is high enough to listen to it (about fm quality if done right) but low enough to be pretty useless as your only copy.
Thats my thought on it.
now as to why the 2nd wrong works potentially. normally a semi non monopolistic capitalist society works like this.
Company X and Company Y make a car.
Y sucks X rocks so people stop buying Y and buy X
X has 2 choices. Go out of business of FIX the problems and earn there customers back.
Here is the problem. **AA have changed the rules. First they are effectively a total monopoly so for the most part there is no company X and Y there is only Company Z any other companies are relegated to irrelevance by the **AA's total dominance in the market and utter stranglehold on both the artists and EVERY single aspect of the process for any company to succeed. (radio stores production distribution etc.. etc..)
the **AA have created a 3rd choice. they buy poitians to regulate any possible "output" for the end user to fight against them out of existance legally.
They have gone even further with the DMCA and Encryption/Copy Protection to effectively eliminate any sort of fair use whatsoever. to SO lock down the content that something else happens.
the property we buy becomes no longer our property. this is the magic wand they are weilding and molding into place.
the inevitable end result of this is total elimination of any rights to the property you are now renting instead of buying while still paying the BUYING price I might add.
buy a CD and copy it to your ipod ? no not without buying or unlocking the ipod version. no more recording off the radio no more nabbing a mix tape from your buddies etc.. etc..
the idea is that you have to keep paying to keep using. the inevitable end result is you "pay rent" for life stop paying rent and ALL (100%) of the content is no longer usable.
so whether you have 100 of 10000 songs or movies you have to pay your rent every month/year for the rest of your bloddy life and have something you don't like anymore ? sell it ... errr wait you don't own it you have nothing to sell.
This is the end result that we are coming to and the one they DESIRE. WE DO NOT and yet they are working the system the processes and the laws to make it so we have NO CHOICE.
in fact the ONLY viable choice we have which can never work since it would require far to many to agree and comply with to work.
Abstinance. They know this thats why it will work.
so when ALL legal routes were REMOVED by the **AA's people could not abstain so they had no "other" choice available. they choose the path of piracy.
and note most did not want to steal since CD SALES WENT UP when piracy got big (public napster) Most people would much rather have the CD than the MP3 since its non tangible (the mp3)
this has the potential to EMPOWER artists. IE to create the "second company" that is so cheap so affordable and so widespread that they can not use there powers to shut it out since it totally bypasses them. namely the internet.
this also keys into the net neutrality issues. if we can control and restrict network flow and traffic at whim. What this means it the last easy simple cheap tool to EMPOWER artists (the internet) could be rendered useless.
ie inevitably yoiu could in theory "shut out" a company X simply by relegating its network priority to the point that nobody can get to it or won't bother trying.
IE the PROBLEM here is that they desire to FORCE us to toe the line instead of WORKING HARD and EARNING our purchases.
IE they threw out many wrongs and are slowly (almost completely now) eliminating any "right" paths that consumers can use to fix this problem.
NO reasonable american would EVERY agree to pass the DMCA into law while fully understanding its implications yet ........ its law ??
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24millions of downloaders without a home as broad as the pirate bay....
and billions of people in this world looking for money.
hmm will another one crop up? I think soo..
***** the mpaa. - compu73rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24Yeah this really just forces more underground usenets and such. Piracy isn't going anywhere.
- rotten777, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24for those of you who hate adobe acrobat but still want to read pdf's, go here:
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php
free. lite. good stuff! - ech230, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22I can’t wait to see the letter the people at PB will write to the MPAA if they come out unscathed from this incident.
- ever, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Mininova is not a tracker. Piratebay is. There's a difference. Mininova just refers to torrents and a huge part of them are on Piratebay's tracker.
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