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- razei, on 10/12/2007, -10/+143'netcast' sounds pretty cool. It makes more sense than podcast.
- Tobey, on 10/12/2007, -5/+68This would be great. I can't tell you how many times I've told someone to download a podcast I wanted them to listen to, and their response was, "But I don't have an iPod". ...Sigh.
- wisewaif, on 10/12/2007, -8/+63Yeah, this is a bad idea. It's bad enough we have about 10 terms for vodcasts, I mean vidcasts, I mean video blogs...
I propose we call them leocasts, as Leo is practically in every podcast anyway whether we like it or not. - themulf, on 10/12/2007, -3/+53Changing it now will be easier, looking forward.
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -17/+65Yeah, similarly, Windows defines the PC, because 95% of people use Windows, and your favourite applications are on it. Right?
Don't be a moron. Apple didn't invent podcasting, if anything, it stole the name. - LaughingMan11, on 10/12/2007, -4/+49BlackCow:
Except that a Webcast has historically been associated with live or on-demand *streamed* video or audio.
Podcasting is different because it does not involve streaming through rtsp or something similar, and has elements of both on-demand and subscription models. RSS is there to syndicate, but when you're downloading the files, you're not streaming like you would a webcast, and you don't have to sit at the computer with a live internet connection to watch or listen to a podcast... the files are mp3s or videos that are downloaded, and you can listen or watch whenever or wherever you want if you have a portable media device.
NOT webcasting. - Mambo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+42I support the rename to "audio file of people talking."
No one should be confused by that. - BlackCow, on 10/12/2007, -28/+60I like the term "webcast" better. I refuse to call it a podcast, I always call it a webcast.
- uptown, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33I'm sure these guys would be thrilled:
http://www.netcast.ch/agb_e.htm
"NETCAST is a trademark of NETCAST AG. The trademarks, service marks, and logos used and displayed on this Site are registered and unregistered Trademarks of NETCAST AG and others." - monkeybutler, on 10/12/2007, -5/+34"so changing the name of entire medium won't be MORE confusing?"
Podcasting is still in a very early stage so its better now than later. Look at the attempts to change "laptop" to "notebook". We get it but its too late to change a decade old term so we're stuck saying "dont use that laptop on your lap" to people.
Changing it now will keep the future safe from explaining "you dont need an ipod to play that podcast" anymore. And besides, its not healthy for any medium to be tied down with ANY single company. - EvilDoer, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28IMO "cast" of any sort is a bogus term. You're not casting anything, when I can walk down the street and get a podcast delivered directly to my iPod wirelessly then you can call it a cast.
Until then it should be a podconnectittoyourpcdownloaditthenlistentoit. - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22You mean vlogs..
- bobmcsmith, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19@spyyder:
Not really...because the french don't hold a trademark on "French" and I don't think anyone believes that they have to be French to each French Fries or that French Fries must come from france.
The fact is that Apple holds a trademark on iPod and _must_ defend it (by law), and it IS confusing, I continuously have to explain it to my non-tech family. You don't need an iPod to get a podcast, it was a bad term from the beginning and it needs to be changed before its too late (it may already be). However, Netcast may not be the best term as mentioned above. - qbix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Well said theone3. I have been listening to netcasts years before the ipod came out. The radio program Off The Hook (2600.com) has been doing this since I can remember even though it's just a recording of their weekly show in WBAI, New York. There are no commercials and MP3 archives date back to 1988.
Count me in. I'll start using the word "netcast" from now on. - Qoogirl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15It's not too late at all, I think.
Before people had "blogs," we called them "web journals" or "web diaries." Diaryland and Diary-X, anyone?
Besides, I'm willing to bet that more than 70% of computer users don't know or use RSS in their daily lives, let alone "podcasts." As soon as Microsoft makes the leap into Vista with some audio-file aggregating RSS app, more people will lock onto the concept. That's just the way it is, I guess. Anyway, I've seen "webcast" around a bit, and wouldn't mind using it. Though I think "podcast" has a nice ring to it because it's quirky. - LaughingMan11, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Netcast sounds like you need a persistent internet connection to listen to... Podcasting was named podcasting because most people liked to grab the files and listen to them while NOT connected to the internet.
- kevine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Because podcasts aren't streamed.
- heresy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16I'll stick with podcast. Thanks anyway Leo.
- LocalH, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Wow, look at all the people fapping over the word "netcast" just because Leo Laporte proposed it. Never mind that it's ambiguous - when referring to a "netcast" is it audio or video? - but it's just plain wonky. If you want a word that will be more suited for the purpose, try "audcast". It's almost identical to "podcast" (meaning that there will be almost no confusion), and it clearly states that it's an audio program.
- jeffwhit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Somewhere in the world, Adam Curry is whining about this.
- Goosemaster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Leologs:D
- MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I imagine that most people who listen to podcasts, do not listen to them on an iPod, or any other portable device. I have a few portable MP3 players, but I do the majority of my podcast listening when I'm browsing the internet/digging. So, the podcast moniker is somewhat of a misnomer.
I do also believe that it's too late in the game to go changing the word. When "old media," like Meet the Press, offers the show in downloadable form and calls it a "podcast," the naming is set. - EvilDoer, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15Apple is required to defend every possible infringement on anything they own rights to no matter how insignificant, otherwise they would have trouble fighting against a real infringement.
- t3hX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Otherwise someone else in court will say "How come you didn't sue these people, these people, or these people when they infringed the trademark?"
- Vektuz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Stay the hell away from any kind of 'cast'
Broadcast is NOT a term you want to apply to your audio download.
real Broadcasts can require broadcast licences and other legal craziness from the FCC or whoever else wants a piece of it.
Just call it an audio download. Or a media download. Its not a broadcast. Dont let them force you to pay a thousands-of-dollars-a-year broadcasters licence fee like radio stations have to... just to upload shows!
Note that this isnt some sort of attack on leo, its just that the recording industries/fcc/et al are trying very hard to categorize 'webcasts' under the same rules as broadcast radio so they can levy crazy fees and basically regain monopoly. So I'm serious in my advice here, do not fall into the trap - ricperry1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Actually, the difference between INTERNET RADIO and something such as an audiocast or videocast is that INTERNET RADIO is normally a live stream, not something you can download and listen to later. A audio/video cast is downloadable and can be transferred to a portable media player.
@EvilDoer:
Actually the word "blog" is derived from two words, "web log" or just "blog." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10LOL!! Someone owns the netcast trademark in the same market!! Ya that will work!!! HAHAHAA!! netcast...my ass
You definately get my digg. Forget that idea! Someone search for the audiocast trademark...lol - fatnutz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13I disagree laughing man;
Podcast is easily more deterring than Netcast...Podcast automatically makes the consumer wonder if or assume they have to have an iPod.
Not really a fan of Netcast but whatever, it makes sense. - uptown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Yeah, it's amazing what 3 seconds and Google can do for you.
- jsg7, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12It makes logical sense to find a more generic name if Apple insists on being ornery...
Honestly, though, if I'm Apple I might rather let people keep using the term. It's a bit like free advertising. The people who make Razor Scooters and Kleenex have sued about that kind of stuff, but that was to protect their products. "Podcasts" doesn't mean that anything that plays such a file is an iPod... - LaughingMan11, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14You may be able to play podcasts on other devices other than iPods, but I argue that iPods have WAY better podcast support than any other media player out there.
Every iPod has the ability to bookmark podcasts just like audio books. That means you can stop it half way, turn off your player, go listen to some other music, come back and pick up right where you left off...
You can even sync back to the computer, and it will remember on the computer where in the podcast you stopped while on the iPod.
This is the type of support that I've not found on any other player. - EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"nor is "podcast" derived from the iPod. It was around before the iPod"
Do you have any support for this? A quick search of Usenet history finds no mention (save two unrelated posts in a foreign language) of the term podcast before the release of the iPod.
Google Usenet archive search: http://tinyurl.com/zuatx - theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Oh man.. Leo logs.. Bad connotations, man. Bad connotations.
- hriwo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8netcast sounds like something netscape would propose.
- smeager, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@biffsputnik
Well they do own the right/trademark to iPodcast, which was granted back in March 2005 (?), and the term Podcast first came around in 2004 and was a portmanteau of iPod and broadcasting -- iPod-i + broadcasting-broad = Podcasting. The idea of Podcast came as a direct result of the success of the iPod. I can assure you that if the Creative Zen was as big of a hit as the iPod Podcasting might be know as Zencasting today.
If this as a medium really wants to make itself know as a viable alternative to the main media then they need to distinguish themselves from the iPod genre. Most people I talk to automatically associate the term Podcast with the iPod. - ttntyler, on 10/12/2007, -13/+18I hate the term "netcast" personally
- JackAxe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Podcast is like Xerox to me, so why change it... If anything, call it a netcast if you want, I'll contintue to call it a podcast.
- EvilDoer, on 10/12/2007, -10/+14This is just like the term "blog", it's a ***** term. Blogs are nothing more than a webpage that people put words on, mostly their opinions. Been happening for years, nothing I hate more than someone coining a catchy phrase like it something new when in reality it's a reharsh of something that's been around for years.
- SlashNot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I don't care for Webcast, Podcast is pretty much cemented. I do not like what apple is doing but I don't think it warrants a name change. People in general have always been confused with technologies, people not knowing you do not need to own an ipod to listen to podcasts isn't new.
- biffsputnik, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@Evildoer
Yes but there is no infringement because they do not own the rights, nor is "podcast" derived from the iPod. It was around before the iPod, and they do NOT own the rights. Otherwise, you'd be right, as in the cases of Google and Digg. - ramsinks.com, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I call them "the stuff I need to hurry up and get before heading out the door for work"
- geeknews, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Netcast you have to be kidding correct! Podcast was the word of the year for 2005 it's in the Oxford dictionary. The ramifications of this are significant and Apple better realize it is about to piss of the majority of podcasters worldwide and this will turn into their worst ever PR nightmare.
All I can say is ***** Apple - ramsinks.com, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Ahh, does mommy know you type like that on her dell?
- bbatsell, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12I'd call you a retard, but you don't call retarded people 'retards'. It's bad taste. You call your friends retards when they're acting retarded.
- EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3ScottMaximus: "Did anyone use Usenet after the iPod came out? Usenet and IRC are major dinosaurs outside of the piracy sector."
There have been 75,000+ posts containing podcast on usenet in the past year alone. I'd say the network is still being used. - heresy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6A Buddhist TV station is hardly in the same market as Creative.
- cal0140, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3because there are no video podcasts?
- Oates, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4i'm gonna call them besty's.
- sovereign3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I'm not a fan of the term "netcast," myself. Podcast stands for "portable on-demand radio," so why not call it On-Demand Radio. Perhaps an acroynym like ODR could be used instead. Netcast does imply that you need to be connected to the radio and podcast leads some people to think you need an iPod. On-Demand Radio sounds much more appropriate anyway.
- Ekuliak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6It'll be difficult to change, but it can be done, especially by Leo "Person of the Year in Podcasting" Laporte. The more "podcast" catches on with the general public, the harder it will be.
While I don't know how I feel about "netcast," I dislike "podcast" enough that I would prefer it to be netcast. -
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