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- fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -2/+67That's not even counting the *real* competitors:
AIM, Yahoo (ok the web based is listed), MSN and ICQ.
Digg users aren't going to be enough to make an IM popular. For reference just ask Google. - umrgregg, on 10/11/2007, -1/+35Cerulean Studios isn't exactly a start-up, but they are developing a web 2.0 unified IM client called Astra. It's not on the list, but it's another client that Rose will have to compete against.
http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/ap/ - meshman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+31My first real job was working in a computer store and it was the only one in the area. The owners made millions. This is back in the original Mac days and when PC clones were taking off. Me and a buddy decided we'd open a store of our own. So 2 years later, after all the research, investment and all else involved, we opened. So did 5 other stores within 6 months. Dammit!
- SteveMax, on 10/11/2007, -1/+29Not exactly off-topic, since it's one of the "19 IM Startups" from the topic.
- Desolite, on 10/11/2007, -2/+30i've heard of exactly zero of these...
- canewediggit, on 10/11/2007, -2/+29i don't see why he's even bothering with IM. why jump in a pool that everyone has already peed in when you can go do something new and creative? everyone that wants an IM client has one, and those that don't aren't about to get one just b/c 'the digg guy' did it.
- melissawm, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22How come not a single one of these things has a name that doesn't sound like a two-year-old drooling? C'mon, Itzle? Gabbly? Plugoo, Geesee??? What's next, PooPoo?
- quomen, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21I know competition is a great thing but this is just ridiculous.
Add the "web 2.0" names and we got a full circus act going on. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16switching IM is like switch phone number, only harder because your old friends are still using the "other" IM. Thats the bigest challenge for any new IM apps. 99% of the world uses Yahoo, AIM, MSN, and ICQ.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14The IM market seems saturated as it is. GTalk, AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, etc. Unless you're really going after a true niche market, which all seem to be covered..including gamers and txt messengers, I don't see how you could do well at this point.
Unless you can figure out how to make an IM client for cell phones with voice messaging capabilities. I would imagine, however, that cell phone companies wouldn't be too thrilled about that. - shableep, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15better not be an IM client. now, communications tool... that leaves room for creativity.
www.meebo.com already has the whole web 2.0 IM client thing down. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11He who hesitates is lost... er, broke. ;)
- unrealmp3, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12I'm staying with Pidgin, thanks !
- icyone123, on 10/11/2007, -4/+14Trillian is the most disappointing piece of software I've ever had the displeasure of using.
Great concept + poor execution + poor customer support = Trillian. - fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11That didn't work for gmail/gtalk. Gmail would have far more active users than digg.
- raynar, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13I was lost at "new IM" from Kevin Rose.
Who gives a *****? Oh great, one more account to create. Who's idea is he going to take and tweak THIS time? - elvenseven, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Just what we need, another IM.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8@fkr3
Yeah, I hate the fact that GTalk didn't take off. It is, to me, much much better than any of the other big name clients out there (small, fast, not bloated, etc.). The only problem is that your average IM user wants all of the cute fluffy smilies, avatars, etc. where GTalk is more of a functional get-the-job-doneish IM client. It's a shame really. - PueSi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I like Trillian better than Gaim, i don't know about their tech support but i like the app.
- lunadomain, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7why do people kiss Kevin's ass? Is he like a god to you?
- xst4t1kx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The primary issue with ALL of the major IM clients is that no one can use one to communicate with friends on another. I have friend/family that use MSN/Yahoo/Gtalk and none of them want to switch to anything other than sticking with what they are use to. Unless the new client has a clever way to address this then it will be just yet another, with a limited user base. I'm aware of the projects that do address this but as stated, trying to get people to switch from one to another is futile.
- daridave, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8"Digg users aren't going to be enough to make an IM popular. For reference just ask Google."
Problem is none of the popular IM's really give us what we need. They tell us what we want, instead.
It's been like this since forever. Seriously now, if there were still people on that thing, I'd probably be damn fine with ICQ99b. It did what it was supposed to do and it did it WELL. Then it got loaded with crap and died off.
MSN, for instance.. yeah, it's popular. I use it because everyone does. BUT I'M SICK OF IT! I cannot stand people (mostly girls, meh.) that replace every freakin' letter for an emoticon and send you stupid cryptic messages that make your eyes bleed before you actually understand what they mean! ...but I use it. Why? Cuz it's mainstream.
However if someone can come up with something that I need (and, like I said above, not "tell me I want it"), I'll switch.
I may sound like I'm b*tching, but I know for a fact that there's many people out there who feel the same way. - b3mus3d, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3daridave-
yes, the winks and emoticons and adverts and ***** in MSN annoyed me too.
But then I got miranda im - http://miranda-im.org/ - it's all better now. It just does what you want, nothing more nothing less, and there are a crapload of options too.
Have patience with it though, it can be a bit bewildering/annoying at first. - Rethcir, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Screw the 19 startups, how bout the 3-4 mature, proffitable companies?
- zackkitzmiller, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4What all of those don't have: A fairly large and freakishly obsessive and supportive community.
- Wang, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Despite what has been said about Trillian above - I really think that Trillian Astra is going to take IM to a whole new level. Before you laugh at me for saying that, check out their blog video and see what Trillian Astra is and how it works (hint: trillian is going web-based, and it will work on Win, Linux, and Mac)...
http://blog.ceruleanstudios.com/?p=101 - Atomic1fire, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Agreed
and the communications tool as well
meebo rooms and meebo me anyone? - EBFoxbat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I wonder if it will have the delays and mediocre performance of Digg.com/
- MScrip, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3> "now would be a good time for Kevin to start making a new type of communication tool."
Is that what people want? IM is just that... instant messaging. Once you start adding all sorts of new features, will people actually use them?
E-mail, for the most part, has stayed the same. Sure, you can add fonts, graphics, and stuff to e-mails, but, e-mail is great for just sending a message. IM is in the same bag, I just want to send short bits of text to communicate online. With cell phones, now you can send pix and video messages. But 99.999% of people's TXTs are just text.
It will take a lot to sway people from the big 3, AIM, MSN, Yahoo. It does what they need. - fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3You and 12 other people poeticexplosion.
GTalk has almost no marketshare:
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http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/general-im-news/34413-im-market-share.html
According to the latest figures from Neilsen/Netratings, AOL still has a commanding lead in the IM market.
AOL: 53 million
MSN: 27 million
Yahoo: 22 million
Google: 866,000 - clemsontiger, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5well maybe not kevin rose himself, but it will be a force his grandchildren will have to reckon with.
seriously, they need to hurry up with this thing. - hakz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2notice how he isn't even digging this post, he's not giving anything away the bastard :D
- convergent, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I use Trillian Pro (as a digg member, you should know how to get it), and it does everything that i need to without wasting any of my valuable memory.
Oh and looking at the list, I counted around 0 that I've heard of. All of them have these "web 2.0" names and logos, it's getting quite boring now. - ditup, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2To me it seemed like everything listed was a browser based web service. To tell you the truth what I would like to see is a desktop IM client. Currently I use Adium and for the most part I love it. Every feature it has I love. To make a supreme IM client I want adium with video capabilities. The look and feel of iChat just don't cut it. Also iChat doesn't have the capabilities to connect with the newest version of AIM for windows with a video chat. Fix iChat's problem there. Shove the video capabilities into Adium, and that to me is the perfect IM client for me.
- mattassin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1But Kevin Rose has an army following. Its really not about the content (to an extent, it has to work), its about who follows you, which is pretty much the whole TechTV/broken/digg network.
- Herv3, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Personally I think this is going to work. Being a fan of Revision3 and Digg; Kevin Rose seems to know what he's doing to pull in users. I'm looking forward to what he does with IM.
- zackkitzmiller, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Why are you all talking like it's a client? It's not, it's (most likely) going to be a service.
- maglob, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1http://duggmirror.com/tech_news/LOOK_OUT_Kevin_Rose_19_IM_Startups_You_Need_to_Beat/
- JonForTheWin, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2If it's completely open, supports GNU Privacy Guard, audio and video via Gstreamer out of the box, it'll do extremely well.
- geekgeek, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1My bad - what a screw up. I put the URL in wrong for my own product.
Correct address;
http://web20.tangler.com/ - nitrojunky24, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1maybe it will integrate into digg? just a thought
- DrShotgun, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I'm really getting sick of so-called "Web 2.0" names.
- Red_Eye, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1In order for me to consider any new im platform it must have a few things;
Guaranteed message delivery via checksum. None of the current IM platforms make sure that something you type and send actually gets displayed on the recipients screen.
Open transport. The transport must be open to allow other developers to support it in their applications.
No force fed advertising. Nuff said? I prefer my spam in a pan sam I am. - prestonspcworx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1cool. good luck kevin!!
- josh1413, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1That would be neat to have a chat client that connects you to all your friends here on digg..........
maybe....... - JonForTheWin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Trillian has pretty sounds. iChat's are the best though.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Who is the submitter of this story? His name is Neil Patel, a black hat SEO blogger from this website: http://www.pronetadvertising.com/about/ and this one http://mashable.com/consulting. He and his group are known for gaming digg. He accepts monetary payments to submit stories to digg that promote notorious spam and SEO sites. Recently he said digg was censoring him, but it was the good digg users who've had enough of him and his SEO friends, so they bury his veiled spam.
Some of his spam stories:
http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Warning_Thousands_of_Jellyfish_Invading_Hawaii (A Hawaiian tourism site)
http://digg.com/environment/147_Tips_to_Live_Healthier_Happier_and_Greener (A credit card site)
http://digg.com/hardware/10_Ways_to_Recycle_Your_Old_Computer (A 100% Spam site)
Also note how many times he submitted mashable.com or readwriteweb.com
I can provide more proof, but by doing that I will be reveling my real identity too and that's something you don't want to do with these dangerous SEO's. Your account is enough proof http://digg.com/users/webtickle/news/submitted
Yes Neil Patel, (webtickle) I know everything because I was and still am in your circle of friends. The time has come to stop you and your SEO friends from gaming digg and accusing it of censorship when sites that paid you to submit their stories don't make it to the digg home page.
The truth will always prevail. You know what you're doing but will deny it. Your credibility is on the line, tread lightly. - theturnmaster, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3the 2.0 release is pretty damn awesome. I am with you there. I see no reason to pursue different im software.
- krampo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It's easy, all he has to do is to make it 'simply better' (http://www.amazon.com/Simply-Better-Winning-Customers-Delivering/dp/0875843980)
- qazyhoods, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3why would anyone use aim anymore? once you go Trillian, you never go back
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