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- XXXXXXXXXXXXXX, on 10/26/2007, -8/+142scare tactics
- ktchpmn, on 11/04/2007, -3/+74jesus christ, they're making it seem like albums have NEVER been leaked early anywhere else. this ***** happens all the time.
- Scabdates, on 11/04/2007, -8/+78So, basically, if you weren't dumb enough to donate to a copyright infringing site, you're safe?
- imightbewrong, on 10/26/2007, -3/+71freeriders FTW
- Darkjedi, on 11/04/2007, -3/+68Donations and payment for goods/services are very different things.
- bradallen18, on 10/26/2007, -1/+56Here's the info everyone wants: Frequently Asked Questions
Q: What happened?
A: On Tuesday, OiNK was arrested at his house in a "raid", they also "raided" his fathers house and work place. His computer and various other items were taken (including his xbox, but atleast they left the Wii). Later on Dutch Police seized the OiNK.cd servers hosted in the Netherlands. A few hours later OiNK was released on bail, but not charged. His father is fine too, he was not arrested.
Q: Do I have to worry about my password?
A: Passwords have never been stored as plain text anywhere. Only as salted MD5 hashes. Also, police or industry agencies do not care about your password. If it lets you sleep any better, change it on all other trackers and such. But it is not required at all.
Q: Do I as a normal user need to be scared?
A: No. The logs stored were not enough to incriminate any of our users. They have better things to do than hunt down 180,000 Britney Spears fans.
Q: Did you log IP adresses with all the transfers?
A: No of course we did not.
Q: What about those who donated?
A: Honestly, we do not know. Of course you cannot expect to get any donated money back. Accounts have been seized, so far nobody knows whats gonna happen. If you did not donate like thousands of dollars, you should not worry too much.
Q: What about that other admin?
A: The former staff will not comment on any questions regarding the situation of him.
Q: Where can I donate?
A: Stop right there. OiNK has not been formally charged with anything, and it is by no means certain donations are needed. If you see any sites advertising as a "Legal Defence fund", it's probably a scam. If there ever is a need for such a fund, you will read about it here.
Q: Now what?
A: OiNK has been bailed until 21st December pending further investigations, no charges have currently been brought against him. The Police will go through the seized material.
Q: The future of the OiNK community?
A: To be frank? We don't know. None of the moderators had access to either the code or databases, and OiNK's possessions were confiscated. We have a boat, just we don't have anything to paddle with.
Kind regards,
your former staff of OiNK's Pink Palace - Protoss, on 10/26/2007, -1/+44I'm sure they're going to go after 180,000 users...
- Protoss, on 10/26/2007, -3/+45Damn you believe the whole "pay to download" ***** the press put out? It was a private torrent site, they had a donate button like most all do. You didn't have to ***** pay to use the site.
- mrjit, on 10/30/2007, -2/+37I'm quite sure I've never downloaded a pre-release album in my life. Especially not knowingly - why? Because I'm 23, I have no ***** idea when 99% of the music I listen to IS/WAS/WILL BE released. I log in, I type a name, and I go, oh, cool, I don't have that one. I'm such a sthupar criminal.
- bitemegates, on 10/26/2007, -3/+29buried for spreading FUD
- tizz66, on 10/27/2007, -1/+27Yeah, because when you close your paypal account they suddenly lose all trace of you.
- Protoss, on 11/04/2007, -1/+25Which is the one thing the media keeps focusing on. They make it seem as if OiNK was a pay-to-use site.
- KineticShampoo, on 10/26/2007, -3/+25Good thing I live in Bolivia!
- Scabdates, on 10/26/2007, -7/+27Also, I hope they arrest the 30,000+ US OiNK users.
That would make for some spectacular headlines... - ktwoart, on 10/26/2007, -3/+22This is a load of bollocks. Money never exchanged hands. I received my free invite from a friend and was informed of keeping up an acceptable ratio--no one ever asked me to wire them a penny.
- inactive, on 10/25/2007, -4/+22Yeah, except... it's Bolivia.
- levharrisr, on 10/29/2007, -4/+20The title is a little misleading, but a great article overall.
- wedges, on 10/26/2007, -0/+16it's more like 90,000.... (50% of 180,000)
- asspants, on 10/26/2007, -2/+17You're right money may have changed hands but it was only on a voluntary basis -- if you wanted to help pay for server costs you could give some up.
- Salgat, on 10/26/2007, -1/+15You better hope so. I loathe the idea of musicians(or should I say record labels) exploiting fairly recent technology to make an extra buck at the expense of our culture.
- MisterWonderful, on 10/29/2007, -0/+14So hmmm...so users who donated nothing and never downloaded anything unreleased are on the same playing field as contributers and uploaders?
F'in bummer. - SpykerSpeed, on 10/25/2007, -0/+14It's so funny how the BBC tried to convey how rich this Oink guy was getting from running this site, then they showed the cops pulling into his modest suburban home that was probably under 1700 square feet. I suppose we're meant to believe he was sleeping on piles of cash or something.
- GiggleStick, on 10/25/2007, -0/+13I think you mean Urophiliac. I'm pretty sure Urologists don't drink their pee.
- MWeather, on 10/25/2007, -1/+14We don't.
- inactive, on 10/26/2007, -2/+15I still think they're going after the uploaders if they go after anybody. They're the guys with the huge ratio's.
- Tweekster, on 10/25/2007, -0/+12Gee an IP LAWYER says you should be worried, because he doesn't have a vested interested in making people worry and consult legal expertise...
- jd72277, on 10/25/2007, -2/+1410mil is one thing, but as 1/180000th of the oink population I am a tad bit worried. Just a little bit...
- SpykerSpeed, on 10/25/2007, -0/+12Well for one thing they'd have to tax everyone at higher rates to build mass jails. I don't think that would go over so well.
- xswag, on 10/25/2007, -0/+12Oink IRC chat info.
http://enjoys.it/2007/10/23/some-facts-and-some-ru ... - inactive, on 10/26/2007, -1/+13They are not going to go after the every day users. They are going to try to locate the ones who ORIGINALLY uploaded the pre-release stuff.
- inactive, on 10/25/2007, -1/+12Isn't the whole point of pirating NOT to pay? I thought Pirates just took what they wanted.
- bradallen18, on 10/26/2007, -1/+12http://tehpaine.blogspot.com/
here you go govnor! - gcnaddict, on 10/25/2007, -0/+10Except unlike everyone before him, this guy made good points which didn't come tagged with IANAL.
- bradallen18, on 10/25/2007, -0/+10if i get a letter in the mail, or a knock on my door, then ill finally have that reason ive been looking for to travel the world. if you catch my drift.
- marvinmatthew, on 10/25/2007, -1/+11Bolivia FTW!
- gamer31, on 10/27/2007, -0/+9From http://dot-slash-csc.iblogger.org/oinkfaq.html
***did you anticipate a raid in the past? Did you take any precautions regarding site design and logs and whatnot to protect the community?
Oink: the logs we store aren't enough to inciminate users
I think we're fine - aznhomig, on 10/25/2007, -1/+10"But if RIAA does get the logs and data, then there will be hell to pay for anyone who used credit cards [to donate]"
Hmm, I find this interesting, so pretty much whoever was nice enough to donate to OiNK (not me) is gonna get *****?
Well, even IF (and that's a big IF) the RIAA manages to get the data (which will be tough, according to the article) and thousands of users that probably donated, I wouldn't exactly be sitting in the corner of my room, in the dark, with a loaded shotgun over this... - zmjone2992, on 10/26/2007, -1/+10demonoid does too
- Starviper, on 10/25/2007, -0/+8Well that made me feel a little better. Im pretty sure the feds (should) have something better to do than to track down 80,000 people through IP's anyhow.
- burke, on 10/25/2007, -1/+9This has happened before. Not only did OiNK never log IPs, but enforcement never goes after more than a few (very... few) users after these busts. If you uploaded pre-release stuff, be scared -- as usual. Otherwise, I wouldn't concern myself. It's all hype.
- TimmyGUNZ, on 10/25/2007, -1/+9OiNK was not only a torrent site for illegal music, there were plenty of sanctioned live bootlegs traded there from file-sharing friendly artist. Who's to say that any donations that a user made weren't going to keeping that area of the site alive?
A lot of this is people making blanket statements on a site they know nothing about and never used. - mortigon, on 10/25/2007, -3/+10I see that expanation as people justifying stealing stuff.
Just don't buy it... - tomi, on 10/26/2007, -3/+10source please?
- angedinoir, on 10/25/2007, -0/+7People need to stop freaking out. There were hundreds of thousands of users on oink.
Going after individual users would be like trying to kill every ant in an and hill with a magnifying glass. You have to do it one at a time. Honestly, you should pick up a lottery ticket if you're worried, since you probably have better odds of winning the lottery than getting sued. - SPECOPS, on 10/26/2007, -3/+10There aren't many P2P sites that don't make a profilt - usually off of ads.
- inactive, on 10/25/2007, -0/+7This, like so many other articles imply that you had to pay to be on the site. NOT TRUE. They were minimal advantages to making donations. They included no more content than other users had available.
- burke, on 11/04/2007, -1/+8Also difficult to the point of impossibility to track.
- sigmundfinger, on 10/25/2007, -1/+7It sounded like he was saying the upload raito could "require infringement to continue infringing" which could technically be as bad (maybe worse!) than donating money if it was actually litigated.
- AnthonyC, on 10/25/2007, -0/+6Remember when Mike Tyson said he was going to 'Fade into Bolivia'?
- jtmeyer, on 10/26/2007, -0/+6jesus ***** christ. it was voluntary.
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